What is the point of this exercise? The strat. was no secret. Suprise immediately went looking for the OP'd munitions and the cutoff. Marinez stuck rigidly to his 4 Engineer start and the flamethrowers are nicely countered by PG G43 Slow ability.
The OP's go down so fast it is not even funny. So he loses map control wastes the MP and gets little munitions. The Sniper is fairly useless once MG Halftracks hit the field. Thats why he only built one, he should not have bothered with any. The two MG's might have been better but without munitions for AP rounds they are not too effective. Marinez never gets to lay any quantity of mines and the ones he does lay are frequently exposed by PE free mine detection ability. He does not get two AT guns on the field at the same time and no Stickies or Mines so no big suprise his AT guns get owned.
Last but not least the P4 comes out before Rangers even hit the field and the P4 is better than a Vet. 3 Ostwind in that it has side skirts and the lock down ability.
Show me a solid Wehr counter then I will be impressed. I believe there is one if you detect the 4E's strat. early enough.
What is the point of this exercise? The strat. was no secret. Suprise immediately went looking for the OP'd munitions and the cutoff. Marinez stuck rigidly to his 4 Engineer start and the flamethrowers are nicely countered by PG G43 Slow ability.
The OP's go down so fast it is not even funny. So he loses map control wastes the MP and gets little munitions. The Sniper is fairly useless once MG Halftracks hit the field. Thats why he only built one, he should not have bothered with any. The two MG's might have been better but without munitions for AP rounds they are not too effective. Marinez never gets to lay any quantity of mines and the ones he does lay are frequently exposed by PE free mine detection ability. He does not get two AT guns on the field at the same time and no Stickies or Mines so no big suprise his AT guns get owned.
Last but not least the P4 comes out before Rangers even hit the field and the P4 is better than a Vet. 3 Ostwind in that it has side skirts and the lock down ability.
Show me a solid Wehr counter then I will be impressed. I believe there is one if you detect the 4E's strat. early enough.
I wont be impressed if people come up with a counter when they know what is coming. My point is this. It's more difficult to come up with a strategy that works, and it's much easier to come up with the counter because you know what is coming. The (4ES) strategy was not a degenerate one like PIO-Spam it was a great twist on game play that knocked people off. So in my opinion counters to Strategies should only be celebrated when they defeat a degenerate strategy like PIO-Spam.
I really don't see how Surprises strat wouldn't work against any tactic. It's a solid strat to a quick P4. The key to defeating the 4es or whatever is the 2 ket start with the camo ability and he keeps them alive in all games. They enable him to see the mines which is the only thing that actually enables this strat to be effective.
nice counter from surprise and execution, but he knew it was coming so i think that this took away the surprise/unknown element of the strat but still wp
This post has been edited by 2girls1blob: Jun 2 2008, 20:03 PM
Easy way to find out if your opponent is going 4ES - Scroll to his base and listen for the sounds of a barracks going up. If you hear one, obviously he is riflespamming, if not is he probably going 4ES.
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