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1.11 Black Hole Armor takes only 35% damage!

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# 1dooboy Jun 30 2009, 11:16 AM
Hey guys, my team mate [ADT]81.mutou, [ADT]tw.pencil and [ADT]s.boy want me to write down the following evidence for them.


1.11 patch note: ‘Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor bonus increased to 35% from 25%.

However, it's a lie, the fact is ‘Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor HP bonus increased to 185.7% from 33%, and Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor bonus increased to 65% from 25%.' Which means AD's armor HP bonus is around 600% of 1.10 AD's armor bonus. ( 185.7% divided by 33%)

The following test results are from Mutou, Pencil and S.boy.

In 1.10, 3 Hammer Tanks could kill an Assault Destroyer without BH Armor by hiting 12 times, and 3 Hammer Tanks could kill an AD with BH Armor by hiting 15 times.

In 1.11, 3 Hammer Tanks could kill an Assault Destroyer without BH Armor by hiting 12 times, and 3 Hammer Tanks could kill an AD with BH Armor by hiting 33 times.

One hammer Tank could kill an MCV by hiting 105 times, and kill a single Assault Destroyer with BH Armor by hiting 95 times.

Actually this lying patch not only ruin RA3, but also ruin LS3.

PS.With BHA actived, Assault Destroyers have all damage they take reduced by 25%, which means only 75% effective damage.
While the 1.11 patch change list claims that BHA bonus increased to 35% from 25%, everyone thought it will be only a slice stronger: 1-35%=65%
The fact is, they changed the damage portion value directly from 75% to 35%, when this new BHA actived, AD who has 1200HP could actually be esteemed as 3400HP - almost three-times tougher, already exceed APOC tank and more than double of Dreadnought/AC/Shogun. And with AD's armor 50% damage neglected from torpedoes itself, its HP countering Akulas/Naginatas/Riptides/Minisubs etc is equal to a shockingly 6800, accompanied by repair IFVs this combo is virtually indestructible.
Which, make it the biggest IMBA in patch 1.11

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# 2evotech Jun 30 2009, 11:30 AM
fun

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# 3Jimmyvan Jun 30 2009, 11:33 AM
Has anyone done any tests? It sounds crazy.

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# 4EyEamZer0~ Jun 30 2009, 11:34 AM
lol, go try the bo pp, ref, ref, rax, move mcv to 3rd ref, naval yard, tech, spam inf and AD's......

it can't loose lmfao. This seriously needs to be tended to.

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# 5xnavigator Jun 30 2009, 11:37 AM
QUOTE(EyEamZer0~ @ Jun 30 2009, 11:34 AM) *

lol, go try the bo pp, ref, ref, rax, move mcv to 3rd ref, naval yard, tech, spam inf and AD's......

it can't loose lmfao. This seriously needs to be tended to immediately.


lol sure! 5-6 tengus harrasment bye ally

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# 6Oreb Jun 30 2009, 11:41 AM
Blackhole Armor and Squish pwns Infantry and tanks. Riptides pwn Bears.

I've seen it used on Foxboxx, and I've tried it out already, I've had zero losses.

Though Zero forgot to mention the making of the 2nd pp before expanding. Otherwise your low power.

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# 7Mutoux Jun 30 2009, 11:52 AM
The need for tank destroyer hammer hit 95, the fight needs mcv under 105
Test incredible.

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# 8nukestrike Jun 30 2009, 11:53 AM
1 word, O*

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# 9romandyray Jun 30 2009, 11:53 AM
Hey guys, my team mate [ADT]81.mutou, [ADT]tw.pencil and [ADT]s.boy want me to write down the following evidence for them.


1.11 patch note: ‘Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor bonus increased to 35% from 25%.

However, it's a lie, the fact is ‘Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor bonus increased to 185.7% from 25%.' Which means AD's armor is 643% stronger than 1.10.

The following test results are from Mutou, Pencil and S.boy.

In 1.10, 3 Hammer Tanks could kill an Assault Destroyer without BH Armor by hiting 12 times, and 3 Hammer Tanks could kill an AD with BH Armor by hiting 15 times.

In 1.11, 3 Hammer Tanks could kill an Assault Destroyer without BH Armor by hiting 12 times, and 3 Hammer Tanks could kill an AD with BH Armor by hiting 33 times.

One hammer Tank could kill an MCV by hiting 105 times, and kill a single Assault Destroyer with BH Armor by hiting 95 times.

Actually this lying patch not only ruin RA3, but also ruin LS3.

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# 10Matiz_pl Jun 30 2009, 11:56 AM
OMG. Another reason to learn allies.

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# 11nukestrike Jun 30 2009, 11:57 AM
as i said EA messed up this patch, i cannot believe that some allied players still whine about their faction, winner of ladder season 3 wont be best player for sure, it will be some1 who uses allies/random-allies and these OP units, seriously we need to contact apoc about this

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# 12kustodian Jun 30 2009, 12:03 PM
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# 13xnavigator Jun 30 2009, 12:05 PM
lol... all allies have in this patch is AD ( and it's easly counterable cuz of their slowness ) and it costs a lot... and u want to nerf it biggrin.gif

better for me i quitted this game happy.gif

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# 14Fat_Swinub Jun 30 2009, 12:11 PM
I never thought I'd see the day where people would call assault destroyers overpowered.

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# 15nukestrike Jun 30 2009, 12:16 PM
maybe cuz they are? watch game between s.boy and kel thuzad....ADs now can complete with hammers, 1 bha and hammers are useless...funny is that AD is deadly on either sea or ground...i think hammer needs 35% hp bonus

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# 16evotech Jun 30 2009, 12:19 PM
Havent tried it much, but isnt ADs EXTREMELY slow and if you do this vs Empire you would be fuxked because they can just run around you and kill all your harvester and powerplants etc?

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# 17romandyray Jun 30 2009, 12:20 PM
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maybe cuz they are? watch game between s.boy and kel thuzad....ADs now can complete with hammers, 1 bha and hammers are useless...funny is that AD is deadly on either sea or ground...i think hammer needs 35% hp bonus


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# 18Nouru Jun 30 2009, 12:21 PM
It is true.

It took so long for my tank busters kill them. I've even seen allies going fast navy and tech up to Assault destroyer.

I don't mind 50% damage reduction but 65%. That's harsh.
It definitely gives Allies another build order.

If you would like to see the old assault destroyer armour, try campaigns. I found out that patches don't affect campaigns.

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# 19romandyray Jun 30 2009, 12:21 PM
We are not talking about balance here, we are talking about this:

1.11 patch note: ‘Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor bonus increased to 35% from 25%.

However, it's a lie, the fact is ‘Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor bonus increased to 185.7% from 25%.' Which means AD's armor is 643% stronger than 1.10.



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# 20xnavigator Jun 30 2009, 12:25 PM
QUOTE(romandyray @ Jun 30 2009, 12:21 PM) *

We are not talking about balance here, we are talking about this:

1.11 patch note: ‘Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor bonus increased to 35% from 25%.

However, it's a lie, the fact is ‘Allied Assault Destroyer Black Hole Armor bonus increased to 65% from 25%.' Which means AD's armor is 210% stronger than 1.10.


oh well if we are talking about a mistake in the balance list it's another thing..

contact apok and ask to correct it with the right one


(edit: lolol evo ur sign wasted xxxx hours lololol can i copy it?)

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