The Asian Dynasties

Hey guys,

Some of you might remember me, I was a replay reviewer decades(lol) ago and I was very active in these forums. I stopped TWC like 3 months ago because of the game balance. I'm getting TAD today and I'm wondering how's the balance.

-Is any of the Asian civs OP?
-Is any of the Asian civs UP?
-Are dutch still OP bank-turtlers with all the ruyters and cannons and stuff?
-Does Spain still have an OP FF?
-Are cuirassiers still too good?
-Are germans still weak?
-Are Sioux and Iro still OP?
-Are Aztecs still UP early game and OP late game?
-And how's Russia, Ottos, Ports and Brits?


Thank you very much for your time.

Oh, and Merry Christmas

Hey Undertaker, good to have you back Lots changed since you left (Inactivity on GR sucks )

You're gunna get a lot of different opinions here (Were you around for 1.04 ? I assume that you left due to the lack of it coming, so i'll base my answers around you not knowing the general changes)

-Is any of the Asian civs OP? China are insane. They absolutely dominate 1v1, and in 3v3's forget about it. You won't know about hand mortars yet, but team 7 manchu for 1k coin in age 3 = Other than that, their anti cav is weak, so proper european/sioux heavy cav does great (cuirs/lancers/axe/hussar + Jat lancers)

-Is any of the Asian civs UP? India is going to get a boost. Wood vills/5 vill start is killing them atm, as is their lack of Counter infantry rifling for gurkhas (skirmisher units)

-Are dutch still OP bank-turtlers with all the ruyters and cannons and stuff? Yeah

-Does Spain still have an OP FF? Spain FF is just as it was before, apart from the fact that Rods have had their hand attack reduced, and their multiplier against cav increased. They don't kill everything any more

-Are cuirassiers still too good? They're still great units, of course, but thoroughbreds has been changed so that it brings cost to 127/127, and reduces training speed by 15% also. Means insta cuirs, but they're still 3 pop.

-Are germans still weak? Yeah, they're still not great.

-Are Sioux and Iro still OP? Iro isn't OP any more. Their colonial sucks now, because they no longer have the ability to forward a travois in age I, but their FF is still great in 1v1 and team, and Forest Prowlers are still insane units. A nerf to them would kill the civ, imo. Sioux.. Argh. They're OP. They still dominate team games, and their 1v1 is pretty impossible for most civs too

-Are Aztecs still UP early game and OP late game? Hmm, their late game is good, as always, but Eagles have been nerfed severely of course.

-And how's Russia, Ottos, Ports and Brits? Still floating around the bottom of the lists everybody enjoys making. Although, longbows now have 17 attack in colonial, which was a great idea and a good boost.

I'm MyxTragedy online, hit me up if you have any more questions.

This post has been edited by himynameismatt_: Dec 16 2007, 13:35 PM

Thanks for the info myxtragedy, looks like ES hasn't changed at all =] Is any of the Asian civs a fun civ(like Sioux, but not so OP lol)?

Imo, japs are a fun civ.


China aren't, because everybody just curses at you all game.


India would be great fun, if only they weren't so bad

i like to play china, even if ppl curse, because I don't use disciples much they dont curse too much

I havent seen anyone really complain about spain in a while

There aren't many Spain players left.

himynameismatt , alot of pros say that china and japan are really close, but yeah china is kinda lame which i play them and i found that out so i dont play tad until the next patch really.

but undertaker he did really over exaggerate there.

That being said me too
http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index...c=60674&hl=
That was my best game

Not trying to take undertaker's thunder or something

Ronald: if you wish to debate China's OPness, please direct it to the OP China thread. If you do post there, i will disagree with your statement of: "Many pro's say that china and japan are on the same level" wholeheartedly. Imo, don't quit till a new patch, it's gunna be a few months Just match a china on one team with a china or a sioux, and just play dutch vs china in 1v1. I don't do it myself, but there's the solution


Japan are a great civ to start off with, you'll get the hang of what to do in about 2 games

This post has been edited by himynameismatt_: Dec 17 2007, 12:34 PM

India sounds sexy

does anyone still play euro factions. Also what about indians. I dont see many indian players.

UP civs ftw

btw this game is by far more balanced than TWC imo. I don't know if it is because I've been playing Sioux or haven't faced any ultra lame strategy but I mean...at least it is something don't you think? The bad part is that the game is still dominated by dutch and sioux, and now china too =/

I'm having a lot of fun with sioux but wakina are still OP imo

I'm play'n russians.

I've seen some players using European factions; they love their high-level homecities. India is commonly considered UP, so they don't get used as much. Of course many players use Asian civs since they are the newest.

The best thing ES has done lately is letting you create 100 level hc's if you have a level 100 hc. I'm having much more fun playing the Euro's/Natives I never bothered to level bc i didnt want to waste time. Playing Ports/Ottos/Azzies/Sioux, etc is fun for me atm bc i get to start with level 100 and they are all new civs to me.

yeah I loved that too because I have all euro/natives level 100 now

but why didn't that apply to asian civs? My asian civs were created at level 10 only

It doesn't apply to Asian civs because those civs are the newest ones, and it would be pretty pointless to start up the game and instantly have level 100 homecities, without using them a single time. It's a new game; you should start from the beginning, not the end

your asians start at 10, but once you have for example a jap city at 60, your other two asian cities created will also be 60.

Has BHG been taking part in any of the balancing? I recall that ES's old balance team was one person. *Insert WTF* I just hope that we get a bit more support than TWC ever got.