Battle for Middle Earth 2

Out of all the hero's in the new patch, these two I have no idea what they are used for anymore. I know that with the lvl 6 moves tehy both are great heros killers, but beyond that, I am having problems using them effectively. Any tips or hints on what they a good for??

Gage

In order to use Shelob properly, leave her in the fortress and never buy her.

Yeah Shelob is an absolute waste of money atm.

Gorkil, Well, up until level 6 just keep him around your other units for his level 4 buff. His "totem" is useless unless you're camping a specific spot (Like capture buildings), but other than that he's really cheap to regen (550 for the first few levels), and he's a decent hero fighter. Once he gets level 6 you can use his poision. Level 10 is unobtainable, so don't even bother.

Gorkil is a great asset to your goblin armies, creep him on wargs to quickly get him to lvl 3 so he can mount, now he can chase down heroes and trample weaker units. Once the enemy catches on to him you can dismount him and hide him in a few batts of goblins, combing his leadership and totem can quickly turn those crappy goblins into killing machines.

Shelob, I've found shelob particularly useful in matches against mordor, shes great at catching those nazgul and stinging them. You can also use her new 'walk anywhere' ability to set up ambushes on outposts and inns. The best thing to do is to creep her for those first couple levels till she has fear, then use her as support. If the enemy has setup pikes and archers in formation they can give goblins a hard time, but if you send shelob in and burn fear those pikes will become useless and you can charge in with trolls or spider riders to wipe out his archers. Finally, her stinger is devastating on heroes and can also prove useful against extremely strong units like mumak's or attack trolls which can often prove tricky for goblins.

Atm Shelob isnt rlly useful i dont even get her when cashfloating, Gorkil, have him creep then stay with ur army once you get him you can more openly fight battles, though beware he gets pwnt by swordsmen, i myself dont mount him his AI pathing is garbage mounted.

i have to agree, spend the 2000 on getting upgrades or drogoth coz with her current bug she is impossible to retreat without dying, there is no point in having her, shell die b4 she gets to level 6, even with her special talent of going anywhere. . Gorkil is great for early buff, creeping CTs and general back up. . im gunna say this and nobodies gunna like it but ill say it anyway. . gorkil has a bug where the more u click the faster he attacks. . this is "bug abuse" but tbh, if the testers missed it then why shouldnt we use it? is it also bug abuse to kill a very slow retreating shelob?? if u look at it that way then yes it is bug abuse, but thats not going to stop anyone killing your shelob!!! so all im saying is make the most of the game you are playing. .

ps to avoid this dont get shelob at all

Shelob is good as long as you don't see too much (over ~2-3 battalions) of pikes. Shelob dies to them fast. Her strength is in support and hero killing, her poison stinger kills ANY ground hero without heal

Shelob is 2000,- out the window. Rather save up for Drogoth or get Fortress upgrades.

Gorkil is ok, got leadership and posion stinger. But most other heroes has leadership stuff and if your playing FoL they got heal anyways so... His totem should be buffed in AOE and hp imo. Poison stinger should work better too
I think FoL PP healing should be pretty much nerfed. Heroes heal at the same speed as FoD and many heroes has healing abillity and combined with PP heal its just ridicilous.
Noo gotta use a HOLE army for taking 1 fucking hero down.... pls.... Its lame.
If the enemy has 3+ heroes forget about fighting them, run around and try to take down the base. Heroes in BFME are simply just... powerfull? Like it how it is in wc3

This post has been edited by SpookyMonkey: Oct 16 2006, 20:43 PM

Gorkil-for 1100 he is awsome.He is best use when you get him to creep with him.Then stick him in your large army for support and ledership.he is best used in counjunction with shelob to double poison a hero . Early game hero

Shelob-She is 2000 to buy but effective.I would say bring her in to the middle of an archer army and use fear then trample with spider riders hehehe .you can also kill heros efectively with her at lvl 6.You can also use her as an ambusher for killing soliders when they get to close with her walk anywhere ability.Mid-game Hero


Hope i explained it well

So basically what I said?

I use Gorkil every game, his massive LD is very important for gobos, they can reach 75% armor bonus with him really easily, his skull totem is useful when on a big battle or when attacking a base (place it near fort so your guys get bonus when attacking. And gorkil is the perfect early-game hero killer with his bug , black riders do not survive for long, they almost die in 5 secs when bug is used properly.

Both gorkil and shelob have speed bugs.

shelob's makes her totally useless.

gorkil's tho is only when he is mounted on his skorpian.
gorkil is useful with his LD, just keep him unmounted in the middle of your army. id suggest only mounting him to use poison strike at level 6+, and then unmounting him afterward. plus gorkil's armor is better unmounted then it is mounted, as it is only weak verse swordsman (which your opponent wont have a lot of).

eh,hem not exactly honerable eh?

If Gorkil has a bug, then in CW's abusing the bug would be concidered cheating right. thus nulling the game, or even worse?? And if I remember correctly, Shelob is also bugged, but the opposite to Gorkil, in the fact that she is suppose to be faster then she is. I believe that I read that somewhere, but I have not confirmed it yet. If both are bugged, then why were they not fixed in the last patch, or will there be another quick patch to fix a few bugs that are out there.

Gage

not really. . but your opponent wont hesitate to kill your bugged slowly retreating shelob. . thats not exactly honorable either. . all you can do is play the game that is in front of you. . it is up to the testers to make sure there are no bugs. . and it would be foolish not to do everything you could to win . .

Lol, defiantly have no problem doing it, yet is it legal to do so for CWs?? If it's not though, we should be discouraging the use if it seeing that you can get introuble for using it.

Gage

alas, i do not know, i encourage its use in tourn and open play but not in clanwars until somebody can confirm if you get in trouble for it or not. .

No notice on CW regarding it yet, unlike the BW bug, so afaik its not prohibited...yet.And Both Gorkil and Shelob are bugged thnx to the patch

We couldn't catch all the bugs there, I can assure that, when we had only few months

We didn't test this patch 24/7, and we had our RL problems. I only hope that these bugs get fixed soon.