Red Alert 3

I started playing allies again, my best army, and usually, even in this patch, I'd be able to rape Empire, but apparently everyone now realized and learned how to EvA all of a sudden to abuse to the max, and at this point everyone was right - e>a

been using lots of spies as well, but it really is no use.

Every EvA game I guarantee you goes like this:
Empire takes oils with dojos -> you cannot spam inf to stop it as distances is too great and IW owns you.

If you do spam inf to stop it, you lose your harvester to tengu suicide.
If you don't spam inf, you still lose harv to tengu suicides.

EMpire sends 1-2 tengus every 10 seconds to your harvesters, over and over. There is no strategy to this, no thought involved, no skill. They literally SUICIDE over and over, spamming tengus. You think you're ahead? You think your 3 refineries and airfield vs Empire 2 ref WF makes you ahead? Nope. You'll be behind very soon, because these horrible RTS players are relentless.

if the first two-seven suicide tengus didn't work...guess what! There's more coming!!!! LMAO. And once you lose 2-3 harvesters, if you do at once, suddenly Empire is free to spam his third and fourth refinery, and then...KEEP SPAMMING TENGUS FOR MORE SUICIDE!

Now, once Empire has done enough damage with that, they go into autowin mode, by spamming all imperial warriors and tsunami tanks, which, you will not stop, as you have no cash to, not enough moola, etc. Affording tech+build radius + turret + infantry + warfact + airfield...you are dead.

I played Empire all through the previous patches. They sucked before. I played them in the one b4 this one, and you could win, just barely. But now it has become ridiculous. Shift clicking tengus wins you an RTS game.

This is just sad.

I kinda agree with you but it is lol worthy.

The thing with a v e is its balanced in the sense that, empire instant win in the early game.

Allies instant win in the last game.

Makes it a ridiculous match up.

This post has been edited by masKeD: Feb 5 2010, 19:32 PM

Heh you turned 180 degrees around kinda funny but as you already knew i agree^^ empire is just so easy to abuse...

Probably 90% of my losses in ccup are vs empires.

This post has been edited by Technique: Feb 5 2010, 19:35 PM

i think a v e is most balanced becours: tengu hd spawn is a bit OP and cryo rush is a bit OP but both counterable. so i should say: stop whining about empire is OP you can't change it.

btw tengu spawn is cost effectively countered by 1 turret wals and an airfield.

wow avilo. how long have i been saying this....honestly... jesus christ.


haha, just gotta go back and read this one!.....utter facepalmness....

its just too fuckingg funny. loooololoololol

This post has been edited by EyEamZer0~: Feb 5 2010, 20:20 PM

Or use that bug where you can just make your collector "phase" through the wall and let the tengus stuck inside the box.

This post has been edited by Cygnus A: Feb 5 2010, 20:18 PM

^ or what about when empire players land their tengus on your airfield, so that in order to kill them, you are forced to kill your own airfield?

huh?...ye stfu plz. that bug u mentioned just delays the mindless tengu spamming bullshit anyway. your harv will still be gone...its just 30 seconds later (30 seconds, which it isn't even collecting.)

kthx

This post has been edited by EyEamZer0~: Feb 5 2010, 20:33 PM

Pfft, no need to be agressive you know...I also agree that HD tengus are a bit too effective and AvE matchups aren't exactly balanced. (not to mention the whole IW spam thing)

sorry, i was just overwhelmed at the fact that avilo, with all his balance discussions ONLY JUST realized this amazing fact that it's a hopeless endeavor for allies vs empire.

well, yes, haha, it's about time, it was IFFY for me before, but now it's blatantly obvious that E>A. Still very winnable for allies, but there is something insanely wrong with the match-up.

Heh, guess I kinda understand what you mean. Tengu for allies is like cryo for soviets; it makes you go FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

its called $150 iw's, and tengus that insta-kill your harvesters no matter what you do.

except on snow plow zero

lol@lordpeter defending tengu spamming. And it's not like it's INSANELY imba for Empire, if allies reach tier3 with a solid unit count, it's also autowin for allies in that case.

But obviously for next patch, honorable discharge has to be raped to death.

It is very tricky cause even though many of us think e>a or e>=a (i lean towards e>=a rather despite thread title saying e>a) it's still very close, and if the patch is fucked up, whichever one comes next, we could mess it up so it's clearly E>A or clearly A>E. gotta be soooo careful, cause the balance is so close.

Nerf cryo powers + cryo recharge time nerf tengus and iw.

Done. Unless ea fucks up and makes the ad 1 shot buildings with no line of site

This post has been edited by masKeD: Feb 5 2010, 20:45 PM

not if the empire player knows how to abuse his infantry..

It's not the tengu spam or IW spam that is hard to stop though. And it's not "insta-kill," it's just that tengu landing suicidally forces you to lose so much mining time + harvester, and then there's cheap IW follow up and then suddenly you can't attack Empire because you've lost so much cash while they just got their third ref.

I don't think it's toooo tooo clear cut QUite yet but it is clear that Empire players have it very easy compared to allied and soviet players right now. Talking bout Soviets, soviets have it the worst as of right now.

but this idiocy of fucking NOOBS, mother fucking NOOBIES, knowing how to make 2 refs and shift click tengus and win vs top allies is fucking ridiculous.

It makes me wanna yank my hair out when I'm facing a fucking AUTISTIC RTS KID, who KEEPS SENDING TENGUS KNOWING HE'S GOING TO LOSE THEM 100% but yet he STILL does damage randomly.

IT's like, WHAT THE FUCK. Who the fuck is training these autistic monkeys to do this? Like really? You just saw me catch 3 of your tengus and rape them, so in your brain it says, "DOOHH I MAKE MORE TENGU ME LOSE MORE OF DEM ME WIN"

LOL

Well soviets are all fine vs tengus. When they send tengus to harvs I go lol, put 2ndary then td stun + hammer pwn. Soviets are pretty much cool except that their t3 sucks balls compared to the rest.

Edit: Also, using my amazing psychic powers I have predicted that this topic will turn into a shitstorm.

This post has been edited by Cygnus A: Feb 5 2010, 20:53 PM

teching up to counter a tier 1 strat, because being forced to means your gonna lose in the long run

Also zero, i find infrantry spam is mute on snow plow because of earlier garrisons, meaning dojos have to be spread out meaning its not imba.

Thats how i see it anyway.


This post has been edited by masKeD: Feb 5 2010, 20:55 PM

When Dynamic played Empire in 1.10 he said that Emp is op, now Empire is more than op.
There isn't any way to stop that very effective, you just can win if your opponent is stupid as hell or drunken.

What ever, the Empire fraction had never a great guy who made new strats and other stuff, except Duelon but that's nothing compared to Allies/ Soviets.

So lets w8, maybe some1 gets an op-kick.