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I'll admit I'm pretty biased in this matter because I'm absolutely sick of this MU, but I really believe that Men Isen is a broken MU. I've tried I don't even know how many strategies, getting crazier and crazier, and I haven't been able to come up with a single decent counter to 4 furn. Apparently rohi rush works pretty well, but there shouldn't be just one possible strat in a MU. And Isen shouldn't be able to easily beat almost all of the things Men can throw at them with a single, all-purpose, low skill start.

Wargs need one hell of a nerf then this match up should be fine.

agreed on warg nerf.

You can try fwd raxing them, but Isen's scout is OP and again, wargs

It works but only if they don't see you (which is very rare) and since you are random usually anyways, you have to use your land right away to scout them (at which time they scout-back w/ the ever-half-map-seeing palantir)

Palantir nerf pls?

double forward rax, make like 4 pikes, creep evryone --> hero spam.

Wargs only own Men during early game. During mid-late game berserker or uruk spam is actually better than Wargs. Rohirrim rush does work great against Isengard, but it's really like the Warg rush works against Men. They are good for a while, but then lose effectiveness when Isengard gets Sharku, Berserkers, and Pikes. You need lots of soldiers/pikes/inn elves during middle game. Rohirrim solve the earlier game though imo.

I do not think that Isengard needs any nerf except Wargs howl bumped to level two. This match up should be fine then.

Ive talked to my bitch.

[23:32] vale[neo]: hey
[23:32] Nathan: hi
[23:33] vale[neo]: what to do in isen vs motw MU?
[23:33] vale[neo]: is it shit?
[23:33] Nathan: as isen?
[23:33] vale[neo]: as motw
[23:33] Nathan: go normal
[23:33] Nathan: then
[23:33] Nathan: i like quick roh
[23:33] Nathan: then obv ga n crap
[23:33] Nathan: and i liek 2 ge all creeps and do a heavy attack with land
[23:34] Nathan: an while ur attackin his base with pike/sog take out all fruns with roh
[23:34] vale[neo]: forward rax creep getting soldiers and lanmd his base get the warg liar is not good idea?
[23:34] vale[neo]: and with soldiers u can keep him busy
[23:34] vale[neo]: until u get other creeps and rohs?
[23:34] Nathan: yeah

Wargs smash your raxs, uruks kill your pikes/creep steal, no troops to defend even in the first place, boom you're dead. Even if you do manage to get a hero, lurtz gets lvl 3 off like 1 pike and soon said hero is just walking XP for him.

Fwd Rax-rush is beaten by warg-uruk combo from 4 furn. Fast rohs has already been mentioned as one of the only viable strats.

guys i have and idea actually its not my idea but it works pretty well its generally new tacktic as motw vs isen 4 furns
here is a replay rly great game tbh worth a watch

Lol, that's me. And I believe I lost that game

I treb rush, personally.

What a shit product from a shit commercial to shit advice.

Looks like Nathan and I agree = automatically right.

Except I say Inn Elves >>> Gondor Archers.

This post has been edited by Ba1d`BuNNy: Sep 24 2009, 01:36 AM

dual rax and hope he gets so busy defending that he doesnt attack YEAH

ur dick is broken.

it was a great game dude and a fresh idea for that mu i belive it will work if u will add at least one hero(theo-boro) and u micro will be a little bit better and also the maine thing u just lost to the best isen player so



This post has been edited by MasterEvo: Sep 24 2009, 16:05 PM

this mu is very easy for men in my opionion u must go for dbl rax and later go for ga when u dont get the inns.. i dont like stables in this mu very early cause by the time u got the rohs out the isen will own everything u have. and knights are shit vs isen, just spamm sog and mix em with towerguards when he builds wargs and later archers and boro.

Does Isen still suck in late game? I always thought it was weird how they had wargs who rock early game but then later they aren't nearly as good.

Honestly, to me, they're really hard to use off-host.

You are right, Wargs are hard to control because they take much damage from Pikes.. And to your question m8, Isengard is currently one of the strongest Factions in Lategame even stronger than Mordor, because the upgrades are cheaper and easlier to get and also the economy of Isengard is by far the best, because of the fast buildtime of Furns and the economy spells.

Stfu turkish scum.

and wargs have so much momentum.

gothca. Is Saruman good? I always found it hard to keep up late game because of the lack of heroes and specialty units like attack trolls and stuff. Isen was always fine though... one of the more fun factions.