What has this world come to! Where are our allies pro's?! I mean, we hardly even get a single allied faction in the final matches of our monthly ladder war. Which only happens if technique is playing!
Seriously, there's hardly even a single allies player in the top 10 as of today, only 4del.. but he isn't even dedicated allies so he doesn't count and he plays more empire than he does allies.
Which makes 0 allies players in our current top 10. It's like RA3 turned into EA3(Empire alert 3). Cause there's WAY too many empire players.
I mean there was a time, everyone used to say Allies was OP. Then when the allied players would say "NO allies is not op", they would respond with "Well why is the top 10 mostly allies players then?". These times have passed...
The allies need a new hero, a brave and wise commander to rise to power and destroy the scourge that is the Japanese and Soviets!
But who will take up such a task hmm? Who will be a dedicated allied commander, and take back the world from the seemingly never ending violence and destruction of the Soviet and Japanese empires, and restore our freedom and peace.
Even if I did I wouldn't be able to hold top 10, simply not that good.
I disagree, anyone can be top . It just depends how much of your RL you're willing to sacrifice. Sure, there are talented people who can do it without loads of play but in general that rule applies imo.
If technique even have problems to win with allies vs decent empire players who should win against them?
yuiyui could, but he's not around anymore. Maniek could do it too. Zlex, Zokker, firgli could also do it if they put some time into practice, not sure about firgli, that guy is so ridiculously good it's like he can come back at anytime and play very well.
But we have even more good empire players than we used too.
Tingu if he wanted to play and practice allies could also hold top 10 as well. Somewhere in time he decided to stop playing allies for soviets, not entirely sure why. Perhaps just a new challenge and renewing experience.
But a lot of old pro's won't admit it, but the new guys are good. Ra3 empire/soviet has evolved while allies has been kind of stuck to where it used to be.
As for tech, he abuses faction advantage on maps, his best matchups for allies was always AvA. And because of popular belief of S>E he probably spent more time playing SvE rather than AvE, which is probably why he loses now.
Yuiyui, maniek and firgli are the best chances we may have at this moment, when it comes to ladder war victory.
Seems the majority of Technique vs Julzzz, was tech trying out his Inf/Air style of allies.
Honestly, from recent experiences now, I think the future of AvE lies in mass air allies. Control the air, spam cryo's & micro very well... This works very well.
What has this world come to! Where are our allies pro's?! I mean, we hardly even get a single allied faction in the final matches of our monthly ladder war. Which only happens if technique is playing!
Seriously, there's hardly even a single allies player in the top 10 as of today, only 4del.. but he isn't even dedicated allies so he doesn't count and he plays more empire than he does allies.
Which makes 0 allies players in our current top 10. It's like RA3 turned into EA3(Empire alert 3). Cause there's WAY too many empire players.
I mean there was a time, everyone used to say Allies was OP. Then when the allied players would say "NO allies is not op", they would respond with "Well why is the top 10 mostly allies players then?". These times have passed...
The allies need a new hero, a brave and wise commander to rise to power and destroy the scourge that is the Japanese and Soviets!
But who will take up such a task hmm? Who will be a dedicated allied commander, and take back the world from the seemingly never ending violence and destruction of the Soviet and Japanese empires, and restore our freedom and peace.
DOWN WITH THE EMPIRE, DOWN WITH COMMUNISM!
Ahem, sorry got a bit carried away ^^'
For real though, WTF Y U NO ALLIED TOP 10?!
Why not change the ''Allied'' in title to ''Maniek''? It is also the answer to the question.
Both sides have their advantages there. Empire can easy put a pressure using cheaper infantry, in late they can expand easier. Tengu harassment is also cheaper and less skilled than cyro's. But Cyrogeddon makes the difference (only t3 ofc).
Both sides have their advantages there. Empire can easy put a pressure using cheaper infantry, in late they can expand easier. Tengu harassment is also cheaper and less skilled than cyro's. But Cyrogeddon makes the difference (only t3 ofc).
I actually very much agree with maniek here, although allies on BBB was solved by yuiyui with his outstanding dual af style on it. I rarely lose to empire on BBB now after seeing a replay of it, yuiyui claimed he won 90% of his matches of AvE on BBB.
Although that is most likely very exaggerated, but from my experience, his build is great, I haven't lost vs empire on BBB ever since. But that argument hardly stands as I also rarely play BBB vs very good empire players, my only achievement there is that I haven't lost to eminence since I trained with him a long time ago on that map.
I'm tellin ya, mass air is the future of AvE, I have very little trouble on cabana too, in fact the only maps I ever beat eminence on when training or just playing vs him as allies, was cabana and bbb! true story.
What's with that?
It's all thanks to dual airfields and cryo spams really.
I actually very much agree with maniek here, although allies on BBB was solved by yuiyui with his outstanding dual af style on it. I rarely lose to empire on BBB now after seeing a replay of it, yuiyui claimed he won 90% of his matches of AvE on BBB.
Although that is most likely very exaggerated, but from my experience, his build is great, I haven't lost vs empire on BBB ever since. But that argument hardly stands as I also rarely play BBB vs very good empire players, my only achievement there is that I haven't lost to eminence since I trained with him a long time ago on that map.
I'm tellin ya, mass air is the future of AvE, I have very little trouble on cabana too, in fact the only maps I ever beat eminence on when training or just playing vs him as allies, was cabana and bbb! true story.
What's with that?
It's all thanks to dual airfields and cryo spams really.
Iv'e seen mass allied air get pawned by mass emp infantry early game
Iv'e seen mass allied air get pawned by mass emp infantry early game
I've seen mass emp infantry get pawned by allied naval variations, what's it matter?
A linear strategy is never gonna work, it needs to be flexible and able to change in order to achieve it's goal.
The mass air strategy isn't limited to building two airfields, sometimes it is not good to build the 2nd airfield.
When you see an opportunity to gain advantage, you take it. But going mainly air works well, it's good offensively and defensively it uses the only versatile units allies really have, it's easy to switch from attack to defense.
To be honest 2nd af is a very flexible strategy in general, it has many good uses. The key thing about it, is that allies don't need to rely on the mass air ASAP.
Also, if empire doesn't outnumber your cryo's in vx, he's in some serious trouble.
It's easy to bring a couple riptides along with a cryo attack, and just pick off a unit or two. Especially when you have 3 or more cryo's out.
But this mass air style is actually very effective on maps that are large, like cabana and BBB.
I don't know how to make dual af work on maps like fire island or temple. Never really tried much, don't plan to either. I'm pretty much done with ra3 playing wise. I think I have other plans of ra3 in the future though.
I actually very much agree with maniek here, although allies on BBB was solved by yuiyui with his outstanding dual af style on it. I rarely lose to empire on BBB now after seeing a replay of it, yuiyui claimed he won 90% of his matches of AvE on BBB.
Although that is most likely very exaggerated, but from my experience, his build is great, I haven't lost vs empire on BBB ever since. But that argument hardly stands as I also rarely play BBB vs very good empire players, my only achievement there is that I haven't lost to eminence since I trained with him a long time ago on that map.
I'm tellin ya, mass air is the future of AvE, I have very little trouble on cabana too, in fact the only maps I ever beat eminence on when training or just playing vs him as allies, was cabana and bbb! true story.
What's with that?
It's all thanks to dual airfields and cryo spams really.
Jonny, got a link to this replay?
This post has been edited by Hot_Fudge: Jan 23 2012, 08:39 AM
empire op, just admit it Jonny, got a link to this replay?
Maybe on my old computer, for some reason I didn't manage to transfer my entire replay folder from my old computer to my new one. So I'm missing my "prized win" folder. Now I just got a bunch of replay folders from 2011 xD
But even so, I'm not 100% sure I saved that replay.
Where are our allies pro's?!
I mean, we hardly even get a single allied faction in the final matches of our monthly ladder war.
Which only happens if technique is playing!
Seriously, there's hardly even a single allies player in the top 10 as of today, only 4del.. but he isn't even dedicated allies so he doesn't count and he plays more empire than he does allies.
Which makes 0 allies players in our current top 10.
It's like RA3 turned into EA3(Empire alert 3).
Cause there's WAY too many empire players.
I mean there was a time, everyone used to say Allies was OP.
Then when the allied players would say "NO allies is not op", they would respond with "Well why is the top 10 mostly allies players then?". These times have passed...
The allies need a new hero, a brave and wise commander to rise to power and destroy the scourge that is the Japanese and Soviets!
But who will take up such a task hmm?
Who will be a dedicated allied commander, and take back the world from the seemingly never ending violence and destruction of the Soviet and Japanese empires, and restore our freedom and peace.
DOWN WITH THE EMPIRE, DOWN WITH COMMUNISM!
Ahem, sorry got a bit carried away ^^'
For real though, WTF Y U NO ALLIED TOP 10?!
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