Dawn of War 2

Any easy way to break the habit/bad luck of retreating the wrong squads and watching a valuable squad die that you meant to retreat? I've lost a lot of games and it seems like i do this stupid shit every game, anyway to break it? maybe change control groups around or is this something your just going to have to deal with.

Yeah, happens to me too. I usually box over squads to select them as to stop from misclicking them like an idiot, but doing that when you have units bunched together can be bad when you want to retreat one of them...

No real way to improve mistakes other than not making them

Yea im a bit drunk from halloween party..so yea lol if these posts don't make sense or have terrible grammer my bad.

i sometimes have to hammer on the 'X' button for half a dozen times before squads start retreating
lost over 9000 units this way

is it a bug, a connection lag or maybe a broken keyboard?
i really hate when it happens

If you order a squad to throw a grenade, but they were prevented somehow from throwing it because of getting knocked down, you won't be able to order a retreat before they get up again and throw the grenade.

Yes, and this really peeves me off and made me wonder if I just FAIL every time or it just wasn't possible. Now I can confirm it. I try to retreat by the ctrl # of my squad, gets confusing to remember after 5th squad or if you lost a few squads already.

I'm appalled at the number of early retreat monkeys I see out there. Apparently it's not a completely invalid tactic to retreat early and often unless you have a really adventageous position. and I mean your whole army. I'm always trying to grab my units at 1/4 health and retreat just those, unless orc or nid anti-retreat mob is in danger of trapping and decimating all my troops.

This post has been edited by ZoRPrimE: Nov 3 2009, 16:24 PM

First,
I don't even use control-groups at all.

Second,
I think you do not need control-groups ( CTRL + 1-9 ) in DoW2 entirely.
In StarCraft it is needed of course, not so in dow2. I only use "1" for the hero selection.

When I am at the heat of battle I mostly use the interface, or clicking on the squad and instantly R ( my custom sga ) for retreat.

The rest of micro is clicking for the unit itself and apply spells accordingly for each squad.

I feel I have no disadvantage (micro-wise) doing it like this.

I also do not use the advanced sub-selection, because I do not like it when I want all squads to use, let's say FOF, and only the one in the sub-menue us doing it.

So it's like this:
if I want a specific order I go for the unit itself, or select all units currently on the screen to use a spell they all share.

In the case of retreating I do it per clicking on the unit on the screen, or per interface. It's the fasted method. Going through control-groups can be misleading, irritating and delaying - that's why you suffer.

Hope it helps, sorry I didn't read the whole thread

This post has been edited by HaraldsoN: Nov 5 2009, 11:14 AM

Sometimes lag influences this, and badly.

More than once i lost more units than i wanted due to lag, because i select them, press X, click on other squad to give orders and the previous one is still there getting facerolled.

It's quite frustrating, but there's no other really effective tactic, apart from, god forbid if you need map control, mass retreat.

Regarding control groups, i disagree, they are useful when you need to separate say, melee from ranged. In my situation, Hormagaunts and Raveners.
Although from there i manually click on each of them for micro purposes (Burrow Strike, tying up squads, etc).

*shock horror* I'm not an A+Move nid player! Well, not in 1v1 at least... :>

i cant believe you dont use control groupes at all

i wouldve lost many games without them and besides it s not that hard to get the habit. when i see a unit that is being atacked i can just look to the upper right corner of the screen and ill now within seconds which units i have to look at. after it you can just double click that control group and the screen will switch to it.

i often have the problem (really really REALLY the FUCK often ) that when i gave a certain unit an order and see that another unit is being atacked i usually try to select that unit ( especially hard when clumped together) and press x. after doing that i ofteh would like to smash my keybord against the game developers because the game is too slow and still has the units selected i had selected first !!! it s like retreating the whole army while a certain squad is being focused and refuse to retreat ... that squad wont react to orders for about 4 seconds after i retreated the other stuff. that shit cost me many games

that grenade bug is an old pair of shoes , wonder when relic will try to fix it

try to use more the right side squad panel for retreating purposes

Yeah, retreating does seem really delayed especially compared to CoH. I'm starting to learn how to compensate for it to know when to retreat. I just hate when I tell one squad to retreat and my entire army mass retreats for whatever reason.

I was mentioning the control groups via CTRL + 1-9
I also use the interface, as you said, by double-clicking the squad, or just clicking once and then hammering X five times.

to the delay:
a 400 pvp ping sometimes swallows a command, that's right. but meanwhile you are in a diashow (game lags) you can easily give the same orders some more times to be saved.

also:
when a squad/hero is knocked down you can't retreat, or in other words:
the retreat-command wasn't saved as next order.
Instead, you need to press X several times to retreat on the next occasion.

trust is something that is misleading, you can't trust pressing X all the time. you need to babysit from time to time, because the X command wasn't saved and unit does not retreat.

This post has been edited by HaraldsoN: Nov 5 2009, 11:15 AM

dude you dont need to tell me those things

im ts 37 and besides i meant the control groupes 1-9 too ...

for example , right at the start of the game ... what do you do there ?

do you select those squads by mouse or do you just click 1 then 2?

Don't mind Harald. He thinks everyone but him has a chocolate sundae for a brain. Er ist ein sonder fall. In seinem gehirn.

der war nicht schlecht nicht schlecht versuchs nochmal

sry for offtpic

Sticky keys + lag have really owned me with retreating squads.

PROTIP: Don't retreat a squad that's going to be hit by a grenade if the grenade is the only imminent threat. You don't save yourself from any damage because grenades do 100% damage to retreating units. Keeping that squad in the fight instead of knee-jerk retreating can help turn the tide of the skirmish in your favor.

I find that hairy situations that require a lot of retreating are easiest to manage by using the top right UI portraits. If the majority of your forces are in combat, and you know some need to be retreated right quick, focus on those portraits, click the low health ones and get them out of there with X. Just go on down the list. It's saved me many a time.

Also, retreating is NOT a "GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" card all of the time. Make sure you clear a path of retreat if it's necessary.

And...try to retreat units when they're not knocked down if they are in melee with an enemy.

This post has been edited by fischbs: Nov 5 2009, 05:53 AM

@JoelNL, ach joe, einfach ma ruhig sein.
Ich wollt nur tipps geben, kann ich ja nicht wissen, dass er Pro-gamer ist.
Und die Anderen bzw. Anfänger sollten sich nicht mit control-groups verrückt machen, da sie nicht das A und O sind in dow2. Du scheinst mir eher der Whine-Sonderfall zu sein. Und natürlich eine hässlige Lästerfresse, hehe.
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@Eskimo,
you say you are TS37 when you steadily have problems with your units receiving wrong orders? mhhhhh...
(oh der war gut, ach, war der gut: omg...)
weren't you the one mentioning the 'trick' for clicking the upper right groups for instant access, first? I am confused. What is it you say is more important? CTRL-groups or the side-bar?

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Well, whatever....

My comments were directed to the OP, my aim wasn't to be smarter than anyone else giving some tips here.



You are right, it's not a free-card, it has to be used wisely. especially if there could be a melee unit in the retreating path back home.
BUT the problem people experienced is that WHEN they press X and the unit DOES not retreat as ordererd. Instead it get's butchered, BECAUSE it didn't retreat.
(The order wasn't stored). That's the problem players experience.
This mostly occurs due to knockdown-attacks against you. So if you see your squad is knocked down, you have to babysit it to overwatch that the X-order is 'stored' properly.

This post has been edited by HaraldsoN: Nov 5 2009, 11:25 AM

"Er ist ein Sonderfall. In seinem Gehirn"


[quote name='HaraldsoN' date='Nov 5 2009, 08:21 AM' post='6567926']
@JoelNL, ach joe, einfach ma ruhig sein.
Ich wollt nur tipps geben, kann ich ja nicht wissen, dass er Pro-gamer ist.
Und die Anderen bzw. Anfänger sollten sich nicht mit control-groups verrückt machen, da sie nicht das A und O sind in dow2. Du scheinst mir eher der Whine-Sonderfall zu sein. Und natürlich eine hässlige Lästerfresse, hehe.
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"Ich wollte nur Tipps geben, kann ja nicht wissen,(<- Da fehlt ein Subjekt), dass er Pro-Gamer ist." "...." "Und natürlich eine hässliche Lästerfresse, hehe.

Such a beautiful language, there is no need to rape it.
Besides, the boardlanguage is english, stick to it. Kind of a double-morale thing to blame immigrants being ignorant about not getting used to the language of the state, but doing the same thing when you are in the need of some "Kindergarten-Level-undercover-talking-because-nobody-understands-my-whining-and-disgusting-behaviour-this-way"-shit!
He does not use control-groups, get over it.

This post has been edited by smuf: Nov 5 2009, 11:38 AM

skipped stuff and agree here.
And even IF 'he' does! WHO seriously cares?

I was just suggesting things and also explaining how I handle things, but I really should stop this.

This post has been edited by HaraldsoN: Nov 5 2009, 12:38 PM