What the shit is this. Why is everyone suddenly proposing radical superfluous alterations to the game all of a sudden?
The repercussions of such a change are stupid huge, no-one wants to see Isen getting ups even faster, nobody wants f/u Rohs mid game, nobody wants siege hammers to be better than they are now (already op as fuck) and in general no-one wants to introduce a crazy amount of variables for no fucking reason at all.
What the shit is this. Why is everyone suddenly proposing radical superfluous alterations to the game all of a sudden? The repercussions of such a change are stupid huge, no-one wants to see Isen getting ups even faster, nobody wants f/u Rohs mid game, nobody wants siege hammers to be better than they are now (already op as fuck) and in general no-one wants to introduce a crazy amount of variables for no fucking reason at all.
They'd still cost 1000 to research.
QUOTE(`KIBbY` @ Nov 6 2009, 14:49 PM)
He's talking about researching, not the actual upgrading itself.
I'd like to see a change to bring upgrades to mid-game withou being a game breaker.
Define researching. On units? From buildings? On Forts? Etc, etc. You are being vague and given the nature of the change (unwarranted and erratic) I can only assume you mean all of those, as this being a stupid thing to do would presumably be done in a stupid way.
I mean really, you want to nerf Isens PP powers just to justify a pointless change? Not while super cynic Ana is on duty.
Define researching. On units? From buildings? On Forts? Etc, etc. You are being vague and given the nature of the change (unwarranted and erratic) I can only assume you mean all of those, as this being a stupid thing to do would presumably be done in a stupid way.
I mean really, you want to nerf Isens PP powers just to justify a pointless change? Not while super cynic Ana is on duty.
Researching from buildings only. Instant researching on units would be op, with siege hammers in particular, and I would never want that.
I don't want to nerf Isen's powers at all. There are some people who think Isengard's upgrades are too strong and I was just pointing out the reason and stating how it could be fixed. I do not think that this change would make Isengard OP in any way.
This change is not pointless either. Upgrades seem to come too slow to be effective, so most people just spam heroes and that gets tiring. This would make upgrades an option throughout more of the game. If you get an amazing economy you can spend it faster with this.
This post has been edited by desktipper: Nov 7 2009, 04:07 AM
K, fuck over was a bit strong, but you make it possible to get faster upgrades for what purpose exactly? It also means upping the armory will be less dangerous btw.
what the hell is with these suggestions. The game is FINE. IF you patch do these 3 things ONLY:
-Warg Howl @ lvl 2 - Zerks - Damage Scalar against Guardians OR slight increase to price or buildtime - Mirkwood Banner Bug Fix
I'm telling you, I wouldn't even mind if a patch didn't come out. The game is FINE.
Not everyone agrees. This was just an idea to discuss.
QUOTE(Mr.Shankly @ Nov 6 2009, 20:03 PM)
your supposed to be punished for cashfloating, not use upgrades as a scape goat to quickly get rid of it
Idc . rephrasing what I said earlier to - "If you get an amazing economy this is a faster way to spend it."
Btw - you could also counter heroes a lot better like this and quickly upgrade units to end a game, once you gain the advantage. It would hurt your opponent more to lose units, because you could quickly get some FBs and finish their Fortress before they could rebuild. I think it could open more possibilities for strategy and such.
This post has been edited by desktipper: Nov 7 2009, 04:09 AM
Like I said in the other topic, if you guys haven't realized, there isn't going to be any changes just for change sake. Balancing is way more important.
desk, my point is why fix something that isn't broken?
You can still improve something even if it's not broken.
QUOTE(Elfman13 @ Nov 6 2009, 23:48 PM)
Like I said in the other topic, if you guys haven't realized, there isn't going to be any changes just for change sake. Balancing is way more important.
I would consider other changes just as important as balance. Balance is pretty good as it is tbh. Most changes that would fix one match up would just hurt another one. I didn't really expect anything to happen, but I thought I would try anyway.
. rephrasing what I said earlier to - "If you get an amazing economy this is a faster way to spend it."
Decrease the research time for every upgrade to uberfast. Waiting to get your upgrades is just lame imo and takes too long.
This post has been edited by desktipper: Nov 6 2009, 20:20 PM
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