Battle for Middle Earth 2

Alright I always played isengard but I just got into mordor and I love them now, but the only problem is my friend who I play agaisnt on the weekend is always elves and I have no idea what to do vs an archer spam, mumakil get owned fast, trolls die fast as well if they have enough archers, theres no cavalry, is it impossible to beat elves with mordor or am I doing something wrong or overlooking a unit? I'l have a replay soon if I play them this weekend tonight!

Corsair rush, followed by quick archers. Get all three Nazgul and MoS, then Fire Arrows and Forged Blades.

yep and mumakill can be effective vs elves if they mass heroes, just be careful of the archers as you mentioned.

The units you seem to be overlooking is the nazgul and corsairs. A firebomb should 1 hit a tree as long as they don't put the fire out, the fire will force them to run their archers around too, and naz will trample their archers very well, just stay away from pikes.

ah, never really thought about the nazgul, I'm a rotwk player but my friend from school only has the basic bfmeII not the expansion, so I'd like to learn how ot play the basic way but no cavalry is a pain! So these tips will surely help, never expected a nazgul to be good, I'll try it out, just seemed like a single cavalry unit wouldnt' be much use!

They can trample around half the Lorien Archer bat at once. So they aren't as good as normal cav for trample, but still very effective. They can also harass quite well.

You dont even need corsairs. You can also spam orcs from multiple pits and swarm the elf, its even better to get a nazgul out sooner.

In fact, alltho PP feed might be an issue your keeping an elf so busy, he will have to split his pikes from archers to deal with this much orcs going for multiple trees, making them easier to be crushed by nazgul.

Corsairs btw are rediculously OP vs elven armies and will indeed work, but they are quite costly to start with and alltho faster, wont beat lorien warriors. In fact, a rally called lorien warrior beats the initial nazgul (level 1).

Calanar mentioned the most important.

Shame on masteroffate, using fire bombs is considered to be lame amongst the most players, especially vs. Elves.
A proper Orc spam from 3 or more pits does its job pretty well and is more fun, too.
Replay will follow

How is it lame? I was part of the 1.06 battetest team. The reasoning was that trees burn..hence why elves are suseptible to fire.

Elves are broken against Mordor. All an elf player has to do is get an eagle and its very hard to counter as Mordor. Mordor doesn't exactly have strong archer units. Haradrim are really a waste of money and what Maddox tried to do with them failed miserably.

Note: I was banned for a couple months from this board from arguing with the "all knowing" senior expert players. Check out my posts from 2-3 years ago about Dwarves rush and Eagles and rather than admit being wrong they just banned me. There are a couple tricks that work really well against Mordor a decent percentage of the time. Not an auto-win, but there were some really bad players beating Mordor players with gimmicks.

Fire is lame.

Mordor > Elves. If Elves get the Eagle, Mordor did something very wrong.

At least use a link in your note. You will never get banned for arguing, unless you are flaming while arguing.

Really? It is quite the opposite. Check out a 2-3 years ago when there were really good players still in this game. Mordor most definitely lost most of the matchups. (I am not talking about using gimmicks here).

lol

Just fyi - I've watched some replays from around 3 years ago. I watched some of Fabled's and such. Tbh, there wasn't such a thing as a good player back then. People never expanded and never ever spammed units. In a game without expansion and spam, elves own mordor.

Hey bartc, i remeber you , you probably wont remeber me though....


Anyway to the other guys, orcs arent that great vs elves in this patch, i would probably say if mordor goes orcs, they should lose. Orc archers are worse, and more importantly slower, lorion warriors are rape, due to the high trample resistance and faster ranking. And arwen is really strong too. only issues is probably if he gets tri-naz. This is assuming you play without eagle

This post has been edited by Mr.Shankly: Nov 2 2009, 01:11 AM

That is true, but mainly because gameplay has evolved and there was also a change that makes expanding more worthwhile (before the rate at which the income of your rbs decreased as new rbs were added was much larger). Also ranked rbs gave less money too.


I bet if any of them came back, they would probably rape as they were more superior gamers (in general)

In general, their micro wasn't very good either. This is just because it was a young game though. They had no one good to play, so they couldn't improve as fast, so they just weren't as good. Anyway, orc archers, corsairs, and tri naz own elves alot. Just start corsairs, go fast naz, then spam archers then fire arrows and get blades. I think MoS does good vs Eagle too, he owns Fells anyway.

This post has been edited by desktipper: Nov 2 2009, 08:03 AM

I personally start this MU usually with corsairs but using easterlings with them also because they are better creeping lairs and protect corsairs against lancers (if those come) and they are also good at destroying buildings. I have seen also that together corsairs and easterlings make pretty deadly combo and then 1-3 nazgul here helping against LAs and game is almost over if you just can keep elves economy down and gather units to final assault.

And what become to MoS against eagle. MoS can make damage eagle about 1/3 eagle's heal maybe little lesser even but that it's pretty good still and I see MoS is anyway usefull also on this MU.

In this MU I would fire lame. If I liked the person I was playing I would orc spam. If I was on-host and I felt like playing different, I would naz rush. Any other time I would d/c. Not really. Do all but d/c.

This post has been edited by Deth: Nov 2 2009, 20:55 PM

It's quite right that Elves aren't that lost vs. Mordor on this patch. Still, Mordor holds most trumps: Orcs do well at keeping Elves busy early game, spammed Orc Archers + Land own whole Elven armies, Corsairs are total rape in general, Nazgul are insane, as is MoS and Fells are able to defeat Eagles, I don't need to explain how devastating the WK is.

Lorien Warriors and Silverthorn Arrows are probably the biggest concern for Mordor, since the whole faction has no well armored units.