Red Alert 3

3 Day HoD & ConquerCup Red Alert 3 Open

Epic wins for RA3!

Good luck to everyone participating.

On a personal note, I like the idea of removing the top people from the subsequent tournies. Give more people that normally don't have a chance to win to win.

haha unbelivable =)

Funny setup

The only problem i have with the setup, is that if i read it correctly, only the #1 really gets a big prize, so if your #4 you don't really get anything, that kinda blows if you can't compete the next day, while you failed at day 1. If the 1-4 all get pretty big prizes, i can understand banning them better.

In this case just ban the winner imo.

I can agree with dwelf that for the guys that ended 2-4 in the first cups it will feels pretty bad, but I guess we cant have infinity prices and the idea with tournamnets withouth "top 4" and "top 8" is kinda funny aswell. So I guess they have to be sacrificed for the greater good

i like the idea of banning the top 4......that will cause alot more players imO

Do you think by the virtue of the set up a lot of the top players will throw games to have a better chance at a smaller prize?

no, from a rational standpoint it doesn't make sense atall. also i do have a question, what is CCUP gonna do about multi accounting/CD-keying.

I like the setup, but I agree with Dwelf. Me hopes I can cocast one of the tournaments

excellent point!


1) shipping address of the product will have to be near the location indicated by the player's IP address in the replay ...the web caster will have the original replay files.

2) there is also the "winner's interview" shortly after the game. if the answers to questions about game play decisions are not congruent with the replay results.

3) if unknown player ABCXYZ with an account with very few games rumbles through 10 opponents on Sunday and has a very familiar play style.

4) And the IP address of the replay raises eyebrows...against the IP addresses in the ConquerCup database

20 minutes of careful inspection can usually reveal a multi-accounter....


if the person wants the winning prize shipped to a friend's location and he has successfully spoofed his IP address to his friends nearby location... and he hides his play style well.. and he comes in 2nd , 3rd or 4th on Saturday... AND the post game interview is pulled of smoothly ... AND... ANd..
then he will get away with it...

that is a lot of work... and if any of these items goes wrong and he gets caught.. that was a lot of work for nothing.

also these "multi account experts" have 6 days to turn their scheme into a smooth running operation.

of all the players who can possibly win these prizes and pull off such a fraud the vast majority are good people.
this leaves a very small pool of suspects to watch closely.

Maista can probably provide a "100% official" comment on what ConquerCup.com will do to protect the competitive integrity of the games and i think it'll be pretty close to exactly the items i've listed.

see you on the battlefield.

This post has been edited by JimRaynor: Jan 4 2010, 14:50 PM

entering the semi finals on saturday is clearly a gamble.

if you decide the throw the games in the quarter finals on saturday...
but then you are gambling that you will with complete certainty win on Sunday or Monday... that's a big gamble....

This post has been edited by JimRaynor: Jan 4 2010, 14:45 PM

Only if you can decide that your chances at winning on saturday are super slim, and your chances at winning on sunday are huge then its good to throw in the towel. here is basically the formula:

Chance of winning Saturday * Value of Saturday winnings > or < or = Chance of winning sunday * Value of winnings on sunday.

Which would be:

X * 2100 < Y * 610

Y has to be atleast 2100/610 times bigger, which is about 3.4 times.

This means it only makes sense to quit on Saturday, if you reckon your chance of winning on saturday is 100/4.4 * 1 = 22.7%, and that is bound to the fact, that you then also assume that your Y chances are 77.3%

This scenario isn't plausible in a RA3 situation, because there isn't a significant skill gap between #4 and #5,6,7,8 so you will never have a 77.3% chance of winning on sunday.

So again, from a rational standpoint, never do it.

the rules were designed assuming participants behave rationally.

Its plain disrespectfull to whoever got 2-4 (did good won nothing and get banned)... so then some1 on sunday wins a 500 dollar screen who is worse then players who did better then him won nothing and got banned.

Imo if you want to be serious (which i assume you do else you should give every1 a number and have a big raffle... same thing as banning the best players) remove the rule or change it to top 1 gets banned (which is already pretty sad imo but i can understand that sorta...).

This post has been edited by Technique: Jan 6 2010, 13:14 PM

it seems its easier to accept losing when you come in 20th place instead of 2nd place.
Coming in so close, playing all day long and then getting nothing for it sucks.

Atleast by you guys pointing this out...
The players all realize this is a possibility before they begin play

Well it wouldnt if you could just play in the next cup like the players you beat before losing for example...

There really is no good reason for such a rule other then just wanting to piss people of imo...

give a group of weaker players a chance to win something

ConquerCup.com did those $20 for 1 win games in the past as well...

Point is the weaker players wont win... just the 1 or 2 good players who didnt make top 4 will battle it out with less competition...

Anyways pointless to give good arguments cause its already set in stone it seems.

This post has been edited by Technique: Jan 7 2010, 09:38 AM

yes it is set in stone already but i like your arguments, they make sense and i will consider everything for the next tournament. i am very interested in how this rule will affect the tournament =)
Please give me room to experiment from time to time

Thing is there is so much mony involved