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# 1BluntHunt Jan 14 2010, 23:35 PM
Damn, i missed the 600 sad.gif

Anyways, hello everyone. It´s me, BluntHunt, biggest noob in RA3 but anyways... i made a VOD. It´s actually my first one, so i picked a short game.

Im just copying the text i wrote on youtube (its not a good game, so dont blame me for hard advertisment):

"Lots of wars have been fought on this map - temple prime - which was even out in the beta. What can you expect if two Top20-player face each other and both are doing BO´s, that you dont do all the time. Who will emerge victorious winner and who puts himself into shame. Be witness...
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There are four or five pip-features, sometimes i do comment them, sometimes i forget, because i cant speak as fast as the holy gunrun. It´s my first VOD, so im still in learning-status."

Feel free to tell me what you disliked and why you hate me so much tongue.gif

Sorry for bad accent, as im a german bratwurst.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_qpjnKhOTA
Make sure you watch it A) in HD and B) in Fullscreen!

Shoutouts 2 DesignerHat, Czone and all those other commentators. Not to forget JimRaynor and the master himself, gunrun. Sorry for bad pix DH, noones better in paint than you.

Just to add some information:

Playlist:
1. IceIceBaby - Vanilla Ice [Intro]
2. Sweetest Voice on earth - Myself [Game]
3. A loop made of an Drawn Together Theme - I dunno [Lessons-Background]

Ranks: Those ranks i checked about this tuesday, so they got a little outdatet.

Strats: I didnt mention, that Boxer25 was on Tier2 and i think he was about to build a crycopter, but he canceled it @ about 95%. But that poor helicopter-pilot would haver never got old anyways, so it doesnt matter that much imho.

Links: Link to the original post @ united-forums.de including the replay (checkout APM and stuff)
Link to the replay @ red3.org

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# 2Sturmgewehr88 Jan 14 2010, 23:43 PM
Ha, "lady with the long hair"

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# 3BluntHunt Jan 14 2010, 23:52 PM
yeah, you found my czone-hint smile.gif

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# 4BluntHunt Jan 14 2010, 23:55 PM
could some admin please delete the "- " before DaBoxer25 in the title?
thx in advance

and while doing that pls replace the [] with () in the faction-box.
thx alot.

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# 5Jackel Jan 15 2010, 00:45 AM
I don't think that long hair is her most defining quality lol.

I don't know know to say this but, That was the best quality vod that I have seen, period. You had the text, the ranks, the replays, the dry humor, the lame yet awesome pictures, incite. Game choice was one that was both competitive and different. This was superb and I hope that you continue to make these videos! Thank you sir.

How do you have all the skill and know how for being a first time caster?

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# 6BluntHunt Jan 15 2010, 02:13 AM
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I don't think that long hair is her most defining quality lol.
This was superb and I hope that you continue to make these videos! Thank you sir.
How do you have all the skill and know how for being a first time caster?

Well, i guess i just have to find my own/owned catchphrases^^
Thank you sir for your positive comment, i guess as you are a strategy specialist that counts at least twice (at least in my world). I dont want to sound cocky but there is absolutely no skill involved in doing such a VOD. It costs just a little time. And the know-how ive got isnt that hard to get: Just go to red3.org and united-forums.de & check out the reps, guides & VODs. RA3 isnt that hard to learn, i mean thats what the pro´s say, thats what i think, that´s how it is. But yet im struggling hard to put my knowledge in my gameplay, in fact, i s*ck, really hard. But hey! It´s okay, im doing VODs now. Gunrun-Style^^

As noone else did a review yet, im doing my own tongue.gif

Things, i liked:
-The EcoNumbers (in fact, as you may have noticed, they´re actually in each players colour). I think noone did them before, they look cool and they are easier to spot.

Things, i didnt like:
-My bored voice. Well, there´s not that much i can do against that, but you gotta know that this was like my 6th time i saw that replay. Im trying to put a lil bit more action into it. But dont expect too much at this point
-PIP-Feature: So i think that the position is the best (left bottom) im thinking to put a frame around it next time, cause sometimes i had trouble recognising it (cause it also faded in and out)
-The Sound in the player-introduction: Im thinking about stealing the sounds from bcpt or that starcraft-show. You know, this like-a-hammer-sound when the names appear. Im trying to find a solution for this.
- I will also put the eco-text from the pip-feature on the screen when im coding the whole thing, so this way the text will get sharper. I also might add a little (if its readable) text like "DojoSell!" inside the pip, so you better know whats going on. Cause the thing is im trying to keep the pip as small as possible, just to get full attention for the main playground. Its like the dreamcast, where you had your lcd-memory-card in your controller telling you stuff. Poor dc btw...

New things for next time:
- i will try out a new feature, that mendel originally had the idea of. but i want to give him the opportunity to present it first.
- im thinking about a review of the game. like pointing out wrong decisions imo (like selling the bootcamp without building a dog, in fact selling the bootcamp at all) or key-battles, not based on silly pix more than on hiRes-vids. No offense in anyway against DH. Im also thinking about (which might be really cool i think) doing an eco-view of a certain move, like for instance player1 goes for an spy-ifw-run: the spy comes out, 1000$ pop up above his head and so on and in the battle if he kills a conscript +100$ pop up above the ifw and -100$ pop up above the dead conscript. Or like a acid drop you freeze the picture and sum up all the eco he lost (with those eco texts). I hope you get a picture of what im trying to say smile.gif

And yes im allowed to spam here, its my own topic tongue.gif

So what do YOU think about the vod? Cmon guys! I need some critzism...

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# 7FFF Jan 15 2010, 02:28 AM
QUOTE(BluntHunt @ Jan 15 2010, 01:35 AM) *

Damn, i missed the 600 sad.gif

Anyways, hello everyone. It´s me, BluntHunt, biggest noob in RA3 but anyways... i made a VOD. It´s actually my first one, so i picked a short game.


Lol, actually i am the biggest noob biggrin.gif

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# 8BluntHunt Jan 15 2010, 02:32 AM
than im gnoat - greatest noob of all times. i gave you like 10-15 instant-wins in auto-match cause i knew i would loose
didnno fury is still alive tongue.gif

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# 9FFF Jan 15 2010, 02:35 AM
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than im gnoat - greatest noob of all times. i gave you like 10-15 instant-wins in auto-match cause i knew i would loose
didnno fury is still alive tongue.gif


ahahah, gg man. Although you should try to play no matter how good your opponent is. What matters is your attempt. Fuck it, even if you lose wink.gif

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# 10BluntHunt Jan 15 2010, 02:42 AM
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try to play no matter how good your opponent is.

i didnt say your "good" i only said im a bigger noob tongue.gif powned!
nah, just kiddin... you made some great fpvods and thats cool. keep em coming smile.gif

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# 11BluntHunt Jan 15 2010, 03:15 AM
omg i just saw another mendel hd-vod, and his quality is so much way better... I need to work on the coder-settings *msg 2myself*

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# 12Jackel Jan 15 2010, 03:28 AM
Yay, I count as two people! I'm putting that on my resume. Dunno what you are preaching, maybe I'm lazy, but voding just sounds hard. I guess were are all inclined to do something.

All of your suggested changes sound good with the exception of your bored voice. You can work on some energy but never make it forced or phony. That would subtract from the total experience imo.

I know mendel and I'm sure that he would be thrilled to have you try out his idea, especially giving him credit so humbly. Try it out right away.

Lastly, make sure the balance quality with quantity. If you plan to make a lot of videos make them in a way that maximizes the overall benefit. Basically, too many effects and you can't make but a few, too little and your videos become lames etc. You did great, just saying keep it in mind because it looks like you spent a lot of time on this one (or maybe your just good lol).

Eco numbers were very original, like it. Maybe turn it into a running total of current income of the two player, like a sidebar? If you have seen the starcraft 2 battlecast, something like that. ex: p1: 5000 p2:3500

I think that a border on the pip would be great, it's easily miss-able. Maybe in yellow?

Adding in the cost of the units made or lost might be better suited as a point of discussion rather than a feature? Dunno, seems like it could get messy.

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# 13BluntHunt Jan 15 2010, 03:57 AM
QUOTE(Jackel @ Jan 15 2010, 04:28 AM) *

Yay, I count as two people! I'm putting that on my resume. Dunno what you are preaching, maybe I'm lazy, but voding just sounds hard. I guess were are all inclined to do something.
sure thing

All of your suggested changes sound good with the exception of your bored voice. You can work on some energy but never make it forced or phony. That would subtract from the total experience imo.
i know what you sayin, and i wont "act" in anyway or trying to be the 2nd gunrun smile.gif

I know mendel and I'm sure that he would be thrilled to have you try out his idea, especially giving him credit so humbly. Try it out right away.
Sir, yes, sir!

Lastly, make sure the balance quality with quantity. If you plan to make a lot of videos make them in a way that maximizes the overall benefit. Basically, too many effects and you can't make but a few, too little and your videos become lames etc. You did great, just saying keep it in mind because it looks like you spent a lot of time on this one (or maybe your just good lol).
Well actually it cost me a whole day (while doing alot of other stuff), so its not a 10min-job. But i think thats basically, cause i never did video-editing before (besides simple cutting). But now since if got the basic framework(?) of doing a vod, i think the second will be alot easier and less time-sucky... And dont get me wrong, the vod-style will stay as it is. The only changes are going to be better quality, the frame around the pip and the eco-indicator stated below. All that other stuff like: KeyMoments, THE Battle of the match, extreme efficient moves, things like that, if those happen i MIGHT add them as a bonus between the "main game" and the "things that we learned". And even those recaps wont be too full of effects, dont worry smile.gif

Eco numbers were very original, like it. Maybe turn it into a running total of current income of the two player, like a sidebar? If you have seen the starcraft 2 battlecast, something like that. ex: p1: 5000 p2:3500
good idea, i like it. although i dont think that i will be able to do it. mendel once did it imo, but for my vod-style that wouldnt work, because of two things: 1) Mendel used the original ra3-display. Thats too small in my opinion and im trying to set up my own ecosigns, 2) I wont be able to let my own eco-numbers count every single buck. Thats just not doable. But heres what im gonna do:
Everytime there is an ecochange (no burst drone, no dmg or dog-bugged harvi) i will put a small sign on top indicating the current $/min for each player. Similar to the new mg2p-feature, but better, cause its only shown, when its necessary tongue.gif


I think that a border on the pip would be great, it's easily miss-able. Maybe in yellow?
Nah, i think id rather go with white.

Adding in the cost of the units made or lost might be better suited as a point of discussion rather than a feature? Dunno, seems like it could get messy.
answered above

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# 14Jackel Jan 15 2010, 05:14 AM
I'm saying that it's ok to improve on your energy, just don't oversell it. Idk, you can probably forget this comment actually, yeah. I said the longest piece on nothing ever. Hurray!

Sounds like you have it under control. Best of luck.

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# 15ikkuh Jan 15 2010, 06:28 AM
can you set it in the post you first made? i think the code was
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[youtube]I_qpjnKhOTA[/youtube]


that would be if i did it correctly

and Ive watched it and good commentating!

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# 16Nyancrypted Jan 15 2010, 06:42 AM
DaBoxer_Got_Owned. tongue.gif

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# 17FFF Jan 15 2010, 08:59 AM
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DaBoxer_Got_Owned. tongue.gif


yeah, i pwned him too, although i suck with soviets biggrin.gif

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# 18BuroBernd Jan 15 2010, 13:00 PM
well, first: your english seems to be flawless, so no need to apologize.
second: nice vod, great window in windows feature, great to add the amount of cash the players get from each ref!
third: what a crappy game.

so on the whole keep it up i'd like to see more of your games!

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# 19lordpeter3 Jan 15 2010, 13:51 PM
nice first VOD

its like Mendel/DisinerHat style combined.

I hope to see more VOD's from you soon.

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# 20BluntHunt Jan 15 2010, 14:53 PM
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third: what a crappy game.
so on the whole keep it up i'd like to see more of your games!

Im totally on your side with the crappy game. Although it was very nice and efficiently played from JoZhA, those one-sided matches where one player just gets beat up like hell arent that entertaining and satisfying for the viewer. Im about to find a better match with more battles and turning points for the next VOD(s)... Im counting on you Bernd as a viewer! Dont wanna put you under pressure, but thats what it is... smile.gif

QUOTE(lordpeter3 @ Jan 15 2010, 14:51 PM) *

nice first VOD
its like Mendel/DH style combined.
I hope to see more VOD's from you soon.

Oh, thank you man, im feeling honoured. I just wanna point out, that i didnt want to copy any other commentator. Its just that ive seen a lot of vods and streams, so i had a lot of input and ideas before doing my first VOD. Yeah, i actually stole the best elements from each VOD style. But not cause i wanna be lame, more cause i think they are great, they way they are, i couldnt improve them.

Last thing before i finally stop spamming this topic, i wanna point out the different VOD-styles, as someone did with the proplayers:
GunRun/JimRaynor=CNCLive: I think thats just a wonderful combination. Gunruns HiDefStream-Quality ist just superb and he compensates the lack of gameknowledge (like 3 tsunamis on the field and hes sayin: his mechabay is still at tier1!) with his voice, his speechstyle and his effort for the comunity. I think his a great guy with the heart at the right place and from all the commentators he has the best "little game knowledge"/"much time spent" ratio. JimRaynor just completes with his wise insights and stuff. I think theyre a great casting-duo.
Czone/Blackwolf/etc: Theyre doing more the action/party-style VOD. High Output, entertaining, nice.
Mendel: Just the inventor of HD-voding. Great quality, nice "afterworks" and stuff.
DesignerHat: The Inventor of "Hey Kids!" and those funny paint pictures. Very entertaining in commentating, too. Just a great guy overall, i think.
FPVods (like from FFF, Ryftig): Just another form of voding, i dont wanna miss. The only way to see nice micro and how it is actually exercised. Also a great way to present his music-style. Like i got fixed with Mahala Rai Banda from ryftigs-VOD. Thank you for that, ryftig!

Well thats all! Thats a wrap! smile.gif
Nuff Said for my first one! Hope to see you all in my next vod. Probably out around sunday/monday, but its done when its done tongue.gif
Allright, have good time!
ByeBye!

P.S.: Im also thinking about doing a fan-vod for a special group of people, but i first gotta clear that up smile.gif

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