Ok , here We go. First of all I beg You dont flame anything here just try to discuss.
If You have seen the first game with me and Charles You can expect nearly the same from this one , but this time it was totally one sided and an ownage game. It was all over in ~9 min mark i think. I'm posting this not to expand my e-penis or to make this a pride-post no, i want to ask You GR Community How To Counter This Wehrmacht play-style.
Some history:(I Dont remember Who developed it,but it was made to be used in some GR Tourney about a ~year ago.)
This strategy was born as Pio-Spaaam 3.0 but as You can see i dont have to mass vet 2/3 Pioniers with flamenwerfers or make 3 pak38's (as it was meant to do in this strategy.) After when i have 1 pak38 and 2 or 3 vet2 flame-Pios i can do whatever i want , everything , its VERY ADAPTABLE & FLEXIBLE , if done properly it is nearly UNBEATABLE. Really, i'm just not playing like this too often , only versus really good players to have a better chance of winning ;p.On some maps like Langres this kind of play gets really hard to counter for Your opponents.
Of course snipers are the key (but if i want i could just make one myself and try to countersnipe. {and vet2/3 Wehr sniper is really good but he still like to dance for cover and miss his chance to kill ami sniper}).
Very much is missing here , lets pretend that Charles didn't lost map control and his T17(but propably T17 is toasted later by pak38) , I Ask You GR Community! WHAT COULD HE DO? TO COUNTER THIS? My USA play is too weak to answer this question. Please be creative and constructive.
This post has been edited by Dingo777: Dec 28 2009, 22:16 PM
Flame bait and you're obviously aware of that. Lame bullshit inside the game. Nothing contributed to your win except Vet MG spam. Fuck the question for the counter, you moron. There is always a counter to the counter to the counter to the counter. WM has it all with T1, T2 and you can easily switch to just anything else, may it be T3 or whatever without me being able to field the counter for the BS. Your play is horrible, just watch how you get burned in cover and not being aware of these game mechanics until your squads are down to few men (for example!) and don't try bullshitting people, that the gimmicks you add to the spam are combined arms or important. Bullshit. vet MG spam+PAKs, cheap pyro bs, gg. Sure gg. Sure sure, as long as you liked it. Pride post my ass, nublet. Want me to post the 10 minute ownage games from the past as well? Moron.
This post has been edited by CharlesDarwin: Dec 28 2009, 22:53 PM
Flame bait and you're obviously aware of that. Lame bullshit inside the game. Nothing contributed to your win except Vet MG spam. Fuck the question for the counter, you moron. There is always a counter to the counter to the counter to the counter. WM has it all with T1, T2 and you can easily switch to just anything else, may it be T3 or whatever without me being able to field the counter for the BS. Your play is horrible, just watch how you get burned in cover and not being aware of these game mechanics until your squads are down to few men (for example!) and don't try bullshitting people, that the gimmicks you add to the spam are combined arms or important. Bullshit. vet MG spam+PAKs, cheap pyro bs, gg. Sure gg. Sure sure, as long as you liked it. Pride post my ass, nublet. Want me to post the 10 minute ownage games from the past as well? Moron.
1: I am aware of those mechanics , i just blindly believe that my troops will survive flametrower assault , becouse of that i've lost many games , stupid thinking thats all.
2:If You had made Only ONE mine sweeper maybe Your T17 would have done better(I recommend using M8 with skirts = no instagib from one shot/explosion) , but propably You were like "no i dont need mine sweeper , cuz what a "Moron" lay mines in front of his Mg42's?! well now You know i am this kind of Moron. And that's my asset ,often i play a little crazy , i like to test things in ranked games , thats why my Win/Loss ratio on my main sucks.
3:The most important thing, Charles seriously ,chill ,relax its just a game , It should bring You fun , not nerves.
This post has been edited by Dingo777: Dec 29 2009, 08:56 AM
Why is this guy so critical of others, jeez just play the game. Well played Dingo, I really enjoyed seeing the T17 motorboating them titty-shaped mines.
To counter? I leave the execution to (much) better players than I, but here's my thinking;
- Lack of vet on infantry leaves them vulnerable to BARs. - Rangers/Airborne with the ability to "Fire Up" past the arc of fire of the MGs with a couple of grenades could be a non-sniper based solution. - Once camping tents are erected outside of American base, a(n American) mortar could help to cause some horrific casualties for the MGs. It would force them to re-position constantly to avoid losses. Might be a challenge for the Wehr player to decisively eliminate an annoying mortar inside the opponent's base without risking something. - Medic tent could help negate inevitable MG casualties.
The MGs appear to be the backbone of the strat (if the Wehr player loses them, his on-field presence is going to be greatly diminished). Since the MGs can only cover one part of the battlefield - make sure to engage your opponent away from them. If he camps your chokepoint - try to take his in return and then harass the rest of the points on the map until the MGs slip up. CD could have done this by slipping out the W side of his base. Of course, the awesome mines effed up his attempt to do this.
Props to Dingo for the awesome mining. Almost single-handedly kept CD from pushing out. As for Charles... well, two mines planted next to each other isn't bs. Not-at-all.
This post has been edited by Ottawatom: Dec 29 2009, 00:57 AM
great game dingo! I didnt watch it tho... Darwin did you beat the shit out of your little brother when he beat you "that one time" at mario kart 64? Seem like u might be that kinda guy.
To counter? I leave the execution to (much) better players than I, but here's my thinking;
- Lack of vet on infantry leaves them vulnerable to BARs. - Rangers/Airborne with the ability to "Fire Up" past the arc of fire of the MGs with a couple of grenades could be a non-sniper based solution. - Once camping tents are erected outside of American base, a(n American) mortar could help to cause some horrific casualties for the MGs. It would force them to re-position constantly to avoid losses. Might be a challenge for the Wehr player to decisively eliminate an annoying mortar inside the opponent's base without risking something. - Medic tent could help negate inevitable MG casualties.
The MGs appear to be the backbone of the strat (if the Wehr player loses them, his on-field presence is going to be greatly diminished). Since the MGs can only cover one part of the battlefield - make sure to engage your opponent away from them. If he camps your chokepoint - try to take his in return and then harass the rest of the points on the map until the MGs slip up. CD could have done this by slipping out the W side of his base. Of course, the awesome mines effed up his attempt to do this.
Props to Dingo for the awesome mining. Almost single-handedly kept CD from pushing out. As for Charles... well, two mines planted next to each other isn't bs. Not-at-all.
This. Good point thx for sharing. /AB + grenades upgrade + fireup would be better than rangers(cuz rangers are doomed when they meet a vet2 pio , elite armor dont like being warm-up ;p) P47 recon is nice as well. Medic tent also.
Charles, you are awere of that as well, but still you get caught by it. This is an efective strat, but BS? Don't think so. Very long T1, vet soon after = no AT for a long time.
great game dingo! I didnt watch it tho... Darwin did you beat the shit out of your little brother when he beat you "that one time" at mario kart 64? Seem like u might be that kinda guy.
^ LOL (i use to beat on my little bro seriously but i feel bad now, more out of boredom then nething else) STIL HILARIOUS COMMENT THO
um other then that nothing new CD talking shit, acting like hes a top lvl player, and then crying when he realizes hes not.
Besides that im more then willing to put this to the test vs my usa if u want to play a few games ;o
If You have seen the first game with me and Charles You can expect nearly the same from this one , but this time it was totally one sided and an ownage game. It was all over in ~9 min mark i think. I'm posting this not to expand my e-penis or to make this a pride-post no, i want to ask You GR Community How To Counter This Wehrmacht play-style.
Some history:(I Dont remember Who developed it,but it was made to be used in some GR Tourney about a ~year ago.)
This strategy was born as Pio-Spaaam 3.0 but as You can see i dont have to mass vet 2/3 Pioniers with flamenwerfers or make 3 pak38's (as it was meant to do in this strategy.) After when i have 1 pak38 and 2 or 3 vet2 flame-Pios i can do whatever i want , everything , its VERY ADAPTABLE & FLEXIBLE , if done properly it is nearly UNBEATABLE. Really, i'm just not playing like this too often , only versus really good players to have a better chance of winning ;p.On some maps like Langres this kind of play gets really hard to counter for Your opponents.
Of course snipers are the key (but if i want i could just make one myself and try to countersnipe. {and vet2/3 Wehr sniper is really good but he still like to dance for cover and miss his chance to kill ami sniper}).
Very much is missing here , lets pretend that Charles didn't lost map control and his T17(but propably T17 is toasted later by pak38) , I Ask You GR Community! WHAT COULD HE DO? TO COUNTER THIS? My USA play is too weak to answer this question. Please be creative and constructive.