then someone else will explain it. plz watch ur own replay.. about that gandi stuff, he had no danm lurtz! and lurtz can only be at ONE place at once. and with good micro is is not that hard 2 get ppts! and so what if soliders "looks" better than tg's tg's are mutch better. if he had starting 2 siege u from the outpost u would have killed the ballistas with kinghts or elves. again lurtz can only be in one place so if he is guarding the ballistas , the other pikes are free kills. BTW: you can make lurtz dry fire and kill him.
Ok since u seem to have a few issues w/ the members reviews Skip, I'll take a look at it and do an official one. If their reviews appear to be correct, then I'll just approve them, otherwise I'll do my own.
However, I will throw out a few comments for now just to tide u over.
- soldiers aren't necessary vs Isen, some ppl like to use them but more often then not, they don't get enough done b/c pikes w/ LD or WC (or both) will pwn them. It takes 2 soldiers just to counter 1 pike w/o any LD being factored in, and Isen has twice the CP of Gondor so it's impossible to match his pikes w/ soldiers and effectively counter him. And if he has any LD be it Saruman/Lurtz or WC, it's going to take even more just to kill one. Upgraded towers, fire trebs, and Gandy are your pike killers and knights can also take on pikes if u hit the S button and make them go into melee (as long as he doesn't use WC).
- vs Isen, SW is very important for Gondor and should be a priority. U should be putting it up after your knights w/ HS are out unless your HS rush is successful in which case u continue spamming them and upgrade.
- the Hero vs Chen game, Hero only built an extra soldier at start so he could harass mills. His goal throughout the match though was accumulating PP for the summons he needed to finish off Chen. He could've attempted other things but that's the sure fire way of winning b/c he is bringing in PP faster. However, it's also not the best example b/c Chen wasn't aggressive enough in that matchup.
- as far as the whole TGs vs soldiers debate, I'll throw down some INI info. TGs deal specialist damage which pikes don't take too much of where as soldiers deal slash which pikes are weak to. However, TGs have more HP and get a better bonus out of their formation then soldiers do. So basically, TGs can stay alive longer to inflict damage then soldiers can. At the same time, throw in some uruks and those soldiers will die pretty fast.
Elven,Sep 9 2005, 11:32 PM]Ok since u seem to have a few issues w/ the members reviews Skip, I'll take a look at it and do an official one. If their reviews appear to be correct, then I'll just approve them, otherwise I'll do my own.
However, I will throw out a few comments for now just to tide u over.
- vs Isen, SW is very important for Gondor and should be a priority. U should be putting it up after your knights w/ HS are out unless your HS rush is successful in which case u continue spamming them and upgrade.
- the Hero vs Chen game, Hero only built an extra soldier at start so he could harass mills. His goal throughout the match though was accumulating PP for the summons he needed to finish off Chen. He could've attempted other things but that's the sure fire way of winning b/c he is bringing in PP faster. However, it's also not the best example b/c Chen wasn't aggressive enough in that matchup.
agree in most of the terms. but the wohle stoneworker thing i have a totally different opinion of. once hero pleased all of the gondorians not to use the elven wood bug. he said its annoying and lame for the isen one. but i think a stoneworker and only knight harrasment until summons came up is the boringst way to play the gondor vs isen matchup. in my clan, the esa clan, we have 3 great isen players (gaydalf, turtletucke and terra) no one of them has fun to play against gondor, because once stoenworker is up, the game becomes DISSAPOINTING for every isengard. and i dont blame them for not wanting to play this matchup anymore. i understand that. why shuold i put my faith in the hands of stoneworker, if i could even try to win with soldiers? (btw, i won many games without stoneworker) i think a replay had to be a great replay, with a variation of units, action on the field, and fun for the observers AND THE PLAYERS: stoneworker does not bring any of those things up imho. how can you say, the opponents strat is a 6/10, mine a 5/10, when i won the game?!?
This post has been edited by SkipToMyLou: Sep 10 2005, 14:15 PM
elven will sortb this out. plz don't look upon my scores they are not corect.... and if Isen does not wanna play gondor, thats just lame. If the gondorians thought that way, we would never play mordor. m8 i'm not a RR and just trying 2 help the rr's out. so plz wait for what elev has 2 say before saying more. and if gondor should not use stone worker then isen mabye should not use their über pikes who beats their direct counter? nonsense imo
SW may be gay, but the point of the game is to win. I have to do a lot of things w/ Rohan that I'd rather not do, but the alternative is losing the match. BFME is a game where you're very restricted in what u can do w/ some of the factions. Review is on its way, I've been very busy w/ other duties on the site the past few days.
As far as ratings, it's possible to win but play worse then your opponent b/c of game imbalances. At the same time, I don't know what criteria they used when rating the rep so I really can't comment on it. Different ppl look for different things.
+ got farm by wargs + killed heroes a few times + constant harassment of mills early on + fast stable + got Gandy to lvl 10 (would've lost w/o WOP when he ram rushed base) + had AOD b4 he got Balrog
- poor use of Gandy (kept sending him in middle of units, lost him to Balrog, slow to use powers) - slow SW (WOP was only thing that saved u fr/ ram rush fr/ bottom OP) - lost a lot of knights to pikes (why u never gave them HA I'll never understand) - slow w/ 1st EW (lay down right after he casts WC - it cancels it perm) - sent soldiers not yet FU up against FU uruks/pikes w/ WC - poor use of forms (fighting/trampling units in wedge)
+ extra laborers at mills + good use of Balrog (killed Gandy and took down most of base) + built uruk pit/armory at back of base (easier to defend against HS rush) + quick TL (important for safe WC use)
- took palantir (delayed other powers strangling your econ even more) - poor protection of mills/OPs w/ pikes - poor use of heroes (lost them a few times, poor/slow use of abilities) - fought him on EW (u can't beat soldiers on EW w/ just uruks) - expanded too quickly to top OP (slowed your econ and lost it fast) - slow to hit more creeps w/ xbows (they barely scratch farms - use to creep for faster TL)
Summary:
Both players made a number of mistakes which drew out the match. Strats were decent but could use some major tweaking, at higher lvls of play this wouldn't hold up. Micro was also rather poor as was execution of the strats. I'd suggest the strat forums for both players, there's a lot of room for improvement in this matchup.
plz watch ur own replay.. about that gandi stuff, he had no danm lurtz! and lurtz can only be at ONE place at once.
and with good micro is is not that hard 2 get ppts! and so what if soliders "looks" better than tg's tg's are mutch better.
if he had starting 2 siege u from the outpost u would have killed the ballistas with kinghts or elves. again lurtz can only be in one place so if he is guarding the ballistas , the other pikes are free kills. BTW: you can make lurtz dry fire and kill him.
sorry, totaly different perception of the game.