Battle for Middle Earth

yep segway didnt use wking he aslo dint use land

imo mordor LD still > rohan LD

and i would have thought that a couple bats of orc archers would be useful. also Muma to trample his heroes or distract his RA.

then we would have a real maxed out army fight

i can cancel his land with ew

eomer+theoden+ara ld> drummers, darkness and eye.

Orc archers sucks in very late game, Only rank 5 and higher can be good vs rohan
Gced fu rohirrim just own orc archers badly, and ra kill the trolls.

mumas vs rohan is a waste of money

Okay i will do this one for my 2nd application review if its ok.

really sorry about not doing the last one life has been hell for the couple days and i havnt had time! (you know first year in high school )

I promise the review will be up by tommorow evening

-PhoenixPrince

grennis how did you test it? cuz our tests some months ago showed us that the only change is in the graphics, i can't find the topic anymore, if you have another outcome there must be a reason

yeh but i didnt hav my wk wit my trolls it could of completely changed the outcome.

An unofficial replay review by your most humble noob phoenix prince

[NOON]Grenness

Power point progression

Draft>heal>Anduril>cloud brake>aotd

Basic build order

3 farms in and two out>stable>2 cav>destroy stable>Theoden>Eomer>Eowen>Gimli>ups>camp/w archery range>rebuild stable>horse archers

Creeps

4/6

Pros

Getting Theoden and Eomer lv 4

Good harassment

Good creeping

Nice fake by not buying land, Mordor couldn’t cast for fear you did. And you didn’t waste the pp on it.

Not losing a SINGLE horse batt that I could see during the first big battle.

Good use of formations

Cons

Extra peasants. I’m am of the opinion that making extra peasants is a waste of $. You notice that your extra peasants didn’t manage to kill your enemies mills, and that extra 200$ would of gotten your stable faster.

Losing Aragorn because of bad micro. You should of used anfalas as soon as Aragorn got back up in the fight at the begging

Wtf where you thinking making Gimli!?? I’m sorry but were you messing with poor segway? If you hadn’t made Gimli and ups you could of entrushed and finished him. Then you attacked with Gimli and CO. leading to the death of 2 rohirrum batts and Aragorn. If you had waited 1 min and not made Gimli+ups you could of attacked with ents and won right there.

Not attacking Mordor’s base immediately after the big battle. You should of sent a scout to make sure he didn’t have to many trolls. Then attacked. He had nothing but wk and 4 batts of orcs to take on your horse archers.

Ahhh nice triple entmoot but one would of done the job fine I think. waiting that long really wasn’t necessary and could have been fatal V Mordor.


Player comments

An interesting start, getting Eomer and Theoden to lv 4 quickly was a huge boon. I think you had horse archer in mind from the begging, and the strat worked pretty well. On the other hand, making Gimli was pretty stupid. And several times you could have finished Mordor but didn’t because you didn’t know what he have because of bad scouting. Ultimately, you played with excellent micro, with an original strat. But it is tarnished by the fact that the traditional horses>Aragorn>ents could of finished Mordor in the first few minuets imo.

An so I give Grenness a 6/10

A10|Segway

Power point progression

Eye>land>industry>darkness

Basic build order

Pit>mills>slaughters>2nd pit>fill base with slaughters >cage>seigeworks

Creeps

2/6

Pros

Remembering to make towers to fend of enemy cav

Extra laborers

Keeping enemy cav busy early game with orcs flooding to their side. Best and only real way t counter Rohan and Gondor early game imho.

Good creeping

Nice spy

Good use of orcs to harass late game

Taking out enemy cit with wk (twice!), and nice general wk micro.

Cons

Making a siege works. A double cage spam right after you killed Aragorn could of finished Rohan easily. In addition, you really didn’t have the $$$ for making catas at full price. A troll costs only 40 more $ when you have full discount on trolls and none on catas! However, the siege works worked very well later. But I’m saying you could of won there if you had pulled the double cage spam of right.

Why keep both pits? You should of really destroyed them both and made two slaughters to cheapen up your trolls. I understand that they were providing some harassment. But they were providing your opponent with lots of exp for their heroes and pp, as well as weakening your already suffering econ.


Player comments

Segway played a very good Mordor. imho this game shows that Mordor really can’t win against Rohan at equal skill level. The only real thing Mordor did wrong was to keep the two orc pits the whole game. And the only chance Mordor ever had of winning was when he destroyed Rohan’s army early, he could of double caged and attack Rohan’s walls before Rohan even got fire on their archers. But he didn’t instead going for a more cautious approach, thinking that Mordor was unbeatable late game. But Grenness’s strat was formulated to own late game and so Segway’s gamble lost out.

Therefore I give Segway a 5/10



Overall comments

A good, entertaining game showing great skill on both player’s parts. Rohan used an original start incorporating horse archers that ultimately led it to victory. Mordor played a great game, never giving up and putting up a great fight. But even Mordor’s ld on trolls can’t match the two horse lords and Aragorn’s on horse archers together with glorious charge. And so Rohan won the game, if a little later then it should have.

Do to the level of play, I give this game a 6/10 for skill

I also give it a 5/10 for entertainment, as it was moderately entertaining

I don't see how the rohan should win, full pop cap of HA=half of what the mordor can get in trolls.

If the mordor gets a full pop cap of trolls under ld there is NOTHING the rohan can do short of AotD.

Luckily most mordors attack before they have the nessecary force.

Cloudbreak and Darkness DO NOT cancel each other in 1.03. This is how it was programmed when Maddox programmed it.

Rain cancels leadership for those units on the field but not those units created after Rain was cast. So if Isen casts Rain and then Rohan gets Aragorn out then Aragorn's leadership is still good until Rain gets cast the next time.

Look at this topic for how it was designed to work when it was issued.

I suppose it is possible that bugs or unintentional effects have crept in but just do a search for weather in the General Discussion forum and you will see the official topics on how the weather is supposed to work. Those guides are cannon on this subject until someone produces proof of otherwise.

Good review. I will post it as official.

That review was right on the money. Consider it official ^^