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Battle for Middle Earth

Sou1 vs Master Jubie :O

#1SoulWings  Jun 5 2006, 15:53 PM -
was a great game

but i did some bad mistakes (EW) and Tgs (which i really cannot make them listen dry.gif

also the last EW i laid was by mistake i pressed right click to move my units and i hit EW by accident post-13661-1143531603.gif

good game could use a review ^^
#2mmasusgatss  Jun 5 2006, 17:27 PM -
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Sif soul could beat jubie
#3tommynt  Jun 7 2006, 14:36 PM -
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I ll do another test/application review on this as it s my 2nd best matchup and I think I knoew pretty well what both should do

Review by tommynt

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Fords Of Isen 1.03

Diva|A soul

Gondor


B.O.: 2 Farm > 3 BS > Stable > knights > Faramir > upgrades > Combos

Pros
+ killing of worker/mill with hobbit + uncloacing
+ constant harrsament of mills in midgame
+ leveling and good micro of knights
+ good Faramirproctection from getting pinned by Lurz
+ never stoped fighting for map control
+ tried to counter Isentroops in the end
+ killed all Isenarmy several times

Cons
- passive early game - 1 soldier towards middle to Isen and gg
- no reaction to Isenstrat
- a bit late upgardes - fast upgrades instead kinda useless Fara d have killed all isen got
- lost most of army due to casting wood offensive (2 times .. once it might be misclick but 2 times?)
- sooooo passive - after owning Isenarmies several times still allways back to base ..
- watching late game was a pain

Player Summery: Solid game without big mistakes but so passive

Micro:5
Overall Player summery:4


Master Jubie

Isen


B.O.: 2 slaughter > 2 mills > warglair > 3 set of wargs > disband all and and fill with furn > upgrades > pit

Pros
+ got 1 Farm down in start and stayed allive
+ decent fast creeping
+ upgrades just in time to fight Gondor upgrades
+ killed Gondor army once

Cons
- Lost 1 mill to hobbit - due to strat
- wrong warg formations by times - but not allways
- no palantir - should be a must when going for wargs to kill of knights after chant and heul even when gondor didnt give u much chance to do
- didnt level lurz at creep early on
- no map control and no base defense due to no pikes for most game
- no fire, no xbows - not even after u saw eagles 1. time .... WTF.gif
- very bad attack on base without help of balista - fighting at his well gainst superior army ...
- floating money (8000 by times)
- missed chanting whole armyseveral times and espacilly on base attack - chanted single uruk in end instead like 6 possible bats
- lost whole army several times - u did not even think about switching your strat to attack with too few units and without balista help

Player Summery: Kinda new strat (for me) which just dont work - u stayed only allive that long due to passivity of Gondor - what d u have done if Gondor attacks with 1 soldiér in start?

Micro:4
Overall Player Summery:2

Failed Isen strat held allive by passive Gondor
Isen did unbelievable good with his strat untill midgame when there was no fire and no ballista for 1. big battle
after u stayd allive and got pit u should have just gotten some pikes and balistas at OP - u had money to do and some firexbos (maybe as combos) are just needed to kill heros and birds and all what gondor got
Entertainment was ok in start due to interesting isen strat but end was soooo boring - totally overwheliming army doing nothing
Micro of both players was kinda decent most game


Entertainment: 3
Overall Micro Average: 4
Overall Player Summery: 3


Rating: 3
This post has been edited by tommynt: Jun 7 2006, 14:57 PM
#4Guardian  Jun 7 2006, 16:53 PM -
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rating seems kindof harsh imo
#5tommynt  Jun 7 2006, 17:17 PM -
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I added a micro rating which response to the skillz of both players - but for a good game u need a good strat aswell - the strat should also counter what opponent does - both players just neglected what happens on battlefield and went their game plan
#6Guardian  Jun 9 2006, 12:47 PM -
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if u give a person a 2 it has to be that they have no idea at all of what they're doing, like leaving half thier base spots empty
#7SoulWings  Jun 9 2006, 14:46 PM -
no offense tommy but those ratings are completly wrong maybe ask jobbies or daemon on how to rate a rep because a 2 is what guardian say a 3 is maybe fully castle but notbuying units

a 4 might be getting no units tii you have bought gtg

5 is having knowlege of the game but do not fully understand strats

6 knowing strats but not always able to perform them

7 knows the start and can perform them but with mistakes

8 few mistakes

9/10 no mistakes and perfect game play
#8Jobbies  Jun 9 2006, 15:49 PM -
10's don't happen though. If this happened theoretically no one would ever win because both players would play with perfection. No mistakes= no finish imo tongue.gif .
#9jack079fx  Jun 10 2006, 10:00 AM -
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tbh jubie had this game...early on those wargs were doing very well with creeping...if only he chose palantir he could have chased up some of soul's horses with wargs n possible killed them because u didnt do this soul was able 2 get some match control...those horses should have died 2 palantir early on...if he ranked up lurtz with that creep early on that would have also helped vs faramir..

if jubie just stopped the cash floating n started making some big armies with many uruks and crossbows and siege with those 3 wargs it would have really worked for jubie as soul only had a few combos (which did seem 2 be dieing easily) and 2 bats of horses which jubie could easily overcome seeing as he had a lot of money which could have been put 2 good use 2 make a army which be better than souls then soul would have possibly been knocked out

1 time he had 8000 or something which could have been used 2 make both a big army with siege and saruman...

strat seemed 2 be wierd but hey if he had payed more concentration it would have definately worked..im sure of it...the only reason why it didnt work because jubie just wasnt thinking and also not paying enough attention 2 his money tbh!!
This post has been edited by Maia: Jun 10 2006, 10:02 AM
#10tommynt  Jun 10 2006, 14:43 PM -
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Maia agrees to kinda all i listed - i cant be that wrong if even he does

and about ratings - I see like never something better then a 6 - so it looks for me like a 6 is for a very well played game without special things and souls list is just not how the replays i watched are rated

if u watch whole game not only midgame u just gotta agree to a 2 for MJ - early aswell as endgame just lacked of any gameplan and doing same mistakes again and again and again is imo just as bad as having no clue of the game.
and some1 not taking advantage of a not working strat deserves no good rating aswell imo - just doing every game exactly same is not how this game should be played on a high level.

Soul maybe just ask yourself wtf u got Fara - to counter pikes when there s not even a pit?
This post has been edited by tommynt: Jun 10 2006, 14:45 PM
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