Battle for Middle Earth

FisherKing used aragorn superbly. There were some fantastic battles in this, was a gg. Would like a review pls.

I will review for RR application ...yay I got a good rep (between 2 really good players)

+ I need to learn how to play this matchup as rohan AND mordor

RAGE^TeutoniC^ (Mordor) vs. [DT]FisherKing (Rohan)

Map: Fords of isen

A very well played game by both players. mordor takes the early advantage by killing and ravaging the rohan farms. however, once the rohirrim come out, the battle becomes even. Rohirrim pillage mill after mill, however in doing so, lose some of their own men. once theoden comes out, things start to tip towards rohan's favor. rohan makes sure that mordor can not get a mill to stay up for too long, then goes to rid the land of wild wargs. However, Rohan is doomed when a flying beast known as a nazgul flies out of the mordor citadel. Rohan quickly builds legolas, but legolas can not catch the naz. As result, rohan loses map control. Mordor gets an outpost and builds the mighty trolls and fear-inspiring catapults. Eventually a long batlle evolves as aragorn, rohirrim, and archer strugle against trolls, catapults, and nazgul. Eventually in the end, however, king aragorn is killed by trolls and the archers fall to the trolls, catapults, and nazgul.

RAGE^TeutoniC (Mordor)

Pros:

waited for 3 orcs to attack his farms, not sending them one by one to their deaths, the result was both of his farms down
got to creeping pretty fast
guarded farms pretty well, even with 3 rohirrim and theoden he could never take full map control
Naz! You got it in time! THis gave you map control which gave you the game. Fast naz is always good IF you can pull it off (key)
unit mixing, just massing catapults, or just massing trolls woulda been your death this game (key)
spammed tl, forced him to go EW, which seals the chance of rohan getting CloudBreak before Darkness.
Guardedd catapults well, aragorn or GCed rohirrim never got to much Cata destroying
Mixed in harads later
you won

Cons

You didnt deal with merry very well, often times I just buy gollum to help deal with him even if I'm double pitting
Didnt kill off his rohirrim when naz came out, You couldve killed all, I know you mighta suspected legolas and eowyn, but still, thats why you scout with orcs, if theres just legolas, you can still kill horses.
Terrible troll micro at some parts, when fighting aragorn the 1st time, you didnt have WK near your trolls to give them LD, and you had catapults constantly giving splash damage against your trolls.
Aragorn really shouldnt have been such a problem, you had more than enough trolls to kill him (key)
Lost two naz in a battle, there was no need to lose them, and you almost lost your 3rd
Sorta late darkness, but your other LD could make up for that


Micro: 5/10
Overall: 6/10

Very WEll played Mordor!

[DT]FisherKing (Rohan)

Pros:

quick warg farm grabbing
wonderful merry micro! that top mill couldn't produce much thanks to him.
Didnt trample orcs on TL
Base raid, woulda been very succesful if it wasnt for naz
Canceled aragorn and built legolas once you saw naz
Aragorn micro was perfecto! You took on those trolls and delayed your defeat by a ton! (key)
Used GC rohririm to kill trolls
Got EW and canceled his 2-3 TL with 1 EW!
Good micro overal latel mid-late game, aragorn micro was great, and archer micro was great, he had to kill you through sheerly Overpowering you because of it


Cons:

never fight eyed orcs with peasents, it will just end up in rank 2 peasent-owning orcs
coudltn keep map with rohirrim, this led to his quick naz (key)
Didnt even try to take back the map after naz
you just lacked the aggresion you usually have, you were always on the defensive (key)
you let him build up too long, mordor late game >>> rohan's late game
Lost aragorn, not really some mistake or bad micro by you but you were so dependant on him that it equaled gg

Micro:7/10
Overall:6/10

A Very well played game by rohan, however the rohan was'nt aggresive enough and let mordor build up its great late game army. However in my opinion, his great micro makes up for that

Entertainment value: 6/10
overall: 6/10

ohh, this should go silver imo. lol. Just a comment, i didnt waste those 2 naz, they killed a lot of his yeomen and also meant that he had to shoot at them, leaving him open to cata fire. I didnt care if i lost them, they were no good to me alive if they were'nt doing anything.

thanks for the review dragon, nicely done. Perhaps a RR can take a brief look at it? Perhaps it might just sneak through to silver.. lol.

all games i play with fisher r worth to be rotw/silver tbh...we just dont post em b/c their too OP.....j/k

games vs. fisher's rohan as mordor are always fun even if i loose sometimes

much to fisherking

Cool Review and you all.

I didnt love that day of cw !! all the close games just didnt go my way, I just lacked the edge/agression This game started out badly, did my isen start (instead of the mordor start) by mistake and lost both outside farms, this multiplies and I think its the basis of all my troubles late game. Its hard to be agressive when you got that many trolls and nazguls roaming, early game was bad thats why I couldnt really leave my castle. Anyway, the game got good and honestly I think I was winning it (like 60-40 % chances), but I fumbbled my heal on aragorn. Theres just no room for mistakes vs that kind of mordor army. One bad job healing and I was dead in 2 mins

Imo Late game rohan > mordor (once you got the full army of rohirrim archers with upgrades) But middle game Mordor >> rohan.

Btw, I agree on the nazgul use, sometimes its very good to sacrifice a nazgul or 2, I think Moony did that alot.

AgReeD
5 batallian of FU HA + GC + ALL LD + EW > late mordor any army

will watch it as well

Watched the rep now. This was a good review Dragon. U pointed out important keys on the game, and made good observations However there are some things i wud disagree abit on.



U said this about Fischers mordor. However he had some micro flaws like trampling a low health rohirim in wedge over labourers ( it actually does hurt the bat even tho its just labouers when the health on themis red). Aragorn micro was perfect u said. It aint that hard to activate blademaster then just let him attack trolls. Ive seen fischer played alot better than this imo



He had overall a bad cata micro in my opinion. U should always halt their fire and manually choose what theyre gonna attack. He shot his trolls and killed some of them in every battle both were involved in.


Other than that it was a good review You point out the important factors etc which is important however. Ur review lacks some facts that i like to have in a review ( Map, which factions they are, strat/BO etc) Ur setup is very tidy tho and doesnt look like a mess Keep up on this and i think u will do it good

Ur ratings is a tad too high imo. Especially on the ratings

Some things to add:





+ Labourer scouting

- Building placement, Always build at least ur 3 first slaughterhouses/furns next to eachother in case u get fast industry
- Idle orcs mid game
- Had to few towers. When saving for nazguhl us really need some more towers to prevent theo + rphirim rushing ur base
- Not selling a tower when it got attacked --> huge pp exp fpr the enemy
- Had an spot which u didnt rebuid for a long time at ur main base
- Let catas shoot ur own trolls use halt fire and fire them manually to cause less friendly fire



- Imo u sjud go one inside farm to get the warg farms even faster
- Always let theo get the final blow on the wargs as well as the cave to get even faster GC
- Could have taken the top wargs instead of rushing his base to get GC. GC is more important than getting down a few buildings at the mordor base mid game
- Horse archers is a better choice than elves when u have GC and can add eomer LD

Agreed on all but the horsearchers. I normaly go 1 farm in vs mordor, this one was my isen start.

You need some elves to stay alive imo, and no matter how many times you tell me, I whont change my bo on that one The important thing about elves is, that they can be placed on the walls so trolls cant get them, if your being rushed with massed trolls. You saw them dealing some nice damage to the trolls ara was fighting from the walls too.
Well, I semi-disagree on the baserushing too. I should have gone for the wargs, it would have been better in that particular game. but the catch is: get gc on raiding the base and take down the cit ! You saw I could get gc by raiding the base, my weak start just got me there like 15 sekunds too late.