Battle for Middle Earth

practicing my team games cause CW is like 80% teams and its the only way im gonna get to actually play more then 4 games a day (thats on a good day)

anyway we played against this new clan but they played well, pike spamming defending mills and so on.
they tryed hiding mines all over so they could kill us in 1 shot but eliminate saw them
the only real bad play i saw from them was that 1 guy kept putting land, so i put elven over it

anyway great game packed with action, 2 AofD and 2 Balrogs 2 lurtz 2 sarumons peasents, horses heroes, was just great!

have fun watching it

i will review if i find this is a crap replay your both dead, and dont think i wont give you links to the strat section cuz i will

i so know you guys are just asking me 2 do this so i have 2 waste like a day reviewing the rep lol.

Great game by the good side, gondor could spare some of those trebs to rohan, but you can't really say about the only thing Isens did wrong with their use of land.

Their hero use was at best 3/10, lurtz's where easy targets without protection on multiple occasions, and it's like they never learn (after it happened times and times again), and they managed to kill the pinned heros only 2 or 3 times out of 20 or more pins :/

Unit micro was mediocre too, they had a good mix many times, but couldn't deploy it well, like sending uruks alone to get the farm, or having all uruks at one side and all pikes to the other side, etc.

Pikes , when in defence, GO INTO PORCUPINE FORMATION, I mean, it may be too difficult managing that stuff, but when you send a unit of pikes to a lumber mill or the settment, push the formation button.

Also, those isens need to learn that:
1 pike vs 1 peasants unupgraded peasants win, even if pikes had forged blades (with peasants lvl 2).
1 unupgraded pikes vs shielded knights the pikes get owned :/
pikes go into porcupine vs knights or they get run over, it happened once, twice, then meh, i think gondor got so used to it he just runs over pikes knowing beforehand that they are not in procurine ;¬)
Also, wtf is up with fuel the fires? fueling two lumber mills??? @_@ oh come on that exact guy had the extra camp and he never needed money.
They also need to learn that sending uruks one a time make them easy dinner for heros :/
ALso i was pulling my hair out seeing as they both virtually never upgraded their uruks lvl 2 @_@ people keep ignoring it, it's really important especially in situations against aragorn.
Finally, what's with the tendancy to throw money at making 69 or more laborors at the start of the game? I've seen it in many replays. lumber mills have an up limit, once they reach it, no matter how many more laborors you make you dont get more money, they bring wood, then they just queue up next to the mill till they can unload, at the start of the game, 1 or 2 extra laborors are enough since trees are nearby.


I liked the knights mico, making their pikes crazy

i didnt say it was his only mistake, read carefully, i said it was his worst mistake

Well, reading it again, i see
the only real bad play i saw from them was that 1 guy kept putting land, so i put elven over it frusty.gif
I certainly see "only real bad play".

May be i misunderstood, my apologizes.

1- only on EW land cause of the bug, pikes just have to get off then pikes > horses
2- its not as easy as u think, pikes are extremly slow in formation u have to keep them out till they are under attack, you look away for 3 seconds and horses run u over, happens ALOT.
3- well its called team work, why would u need 2 rains? 1 got land to counter mine so it just makes sense that he goes fuels of fire, it woulda been dummer to have gone rain.
4- well he had no units and need to fight peasents, also when 1 mill dies all workers go to the next one. afterwords they never had more then 8 (which is normal)

i agree on other points

1-I mentioned that point since often times the isen upgrades their pikes only with forged blades or not at all and sends them to defend against knights raids, which were typically 2/3 battalions of shielded knights at first then fully upgraded. Of course, the pikes were wasted on multiple occasions.
2-I know they are slow, but it happened a lot, really A LOT to think it's because of knights micro, and as I said, it happened often when the pikes were in defence, eg defending a lumber mill or the uruk pit. It's always a good idea to leave the pikes in formation when standing by, IMO, any isen should make that their default formation and only reverse when moving them.
3-Because, as it was obvious both of the good side had cloud break, most of the fights were won because of leadership, rohan just kept stacking up leadership heros and waiting for rain to get cleared by either of you, then attack.
Also, I'm not really a fan of variety for the sake of it, fuel the fires was just so useless, and IMO rain would be a much better choice to counter double cloud break. Isens could maintain constant rain which would have helped them a lot.
4-I think, at the start, shortly after making a lumber mill one of the isens made 5 or 6 extra laborors, i may be mistaken.

Finally, at the start, it was obvious you guys wanted an entrush which led theo to die in search for a free farm (and a knight unit as well, if i remember correctly). Not to say you didn't do it well, i kind of got upset because isens knew you wanted the entrush and thus defended the mills at all cost, i love ents action, but not when against me
Then plans changed of course to get stacked leadership and peasants, which was a wiser choice.

1- forged blade pikes even with no armor in formation could kill ANY amount of horses if they try to trample, unless ofcourse they are on EW or horses are stopped by pressing "s" key so they attack and not trample, ofcourse pikes could just ran away and horses will trample again

2- ya i agree when units are in guard they should always stay in formation since ur not watching them all the time

3- I agree if both got cloud break but thats extremly unlikely, eagles are reall good vs isengard and ents coulda done quit the damage, going double cloud break is VERY unlikly, besides rain recharges faster and he had it half the time, after balrog other guy got rain too.

4- ya its possible, i usually build 4, early game it doesnt help much if trees are close but late game it helps, and its not obvious to think about building more workers everytime a tree gets further away along the game.

i told him to entrush they had armory but no fire archers, i woulda killed mills with horses, they couldnt defend them all. oh well

2- wtf noooo that would mean isen takes no skill to play

wheres my review havoc dammit!

really great replay !!

very fun to watch.