Battle for Middle Earth

I resigned after i see there's no way to beat his camping.

Dunharrow has alot of outpost where the Gondor can keep his economy easily.
Normally i don't have much trouble vs a camper on Dunharrow but this time it was so hard.
My opponent didn't even came to my base or try to attack me. All he did was raging mills and outpost to get pp and extra farms and towers. i think he spend all the money on defensive play and therefore it's hard to crack such camper.
I was spamming katapults like grazy but it didnt help either. Kaito_Kid rebuild his wall segment as soon as he could and was spamming trebs. If i try to siege him from both sides that means i have to split up my army and thats not good when he got full army. Gandie + summons can easily take down 1 of my siege possition. I can only siege from both outpost when my opponent have been weaked.

Please any advice are welcome.... This guy is rank 44 btw.

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Review by: Axcell
Starting positions
xArag0rNx / Gondor - Bottom
jho / Mordor - Top

Overview
Long game with the gondor player barely making any effort to end this game quick. Mordor spams out his haradrim and orcs out fast while gondor gets knights and brothers. Both players actually use build olders that slow them down a bit. Gondor trys a very late upgraded knight rush, that is easily countered. Then gondor starts camping whil mordor is spamming cata's from 4 siege works. The siege isn't easy and after several lost cata's mordor retreats completely to his side of the map to rebuild his army. Mordor tries to siege one more time and gets balrog earlier than aotd, but that wasn't enough so mordor quit eventuelly.

xArag0rNx - Gondor

As for your early game, it was decen, you got many creeps, but you just used that in order to get a good defence on. Actually in this replay you could have won with a fast HS rush. Your horse micro early was somewhat sloppy, you barely even harassed at the start. His build order included getting orcs and haradrim cost him alot of money and you knew he couldn't have gotten many creeps, from what Pippin and knights must have seen. Even more, if you would have used a fast HS rush you would only have had to deal with not more than 1 troll, but you got Boromir and Faramir. You got their LD and got elves PP. You also missed a big oppurtunity to get some succes with a even later HS rush; when Faramir was finishing his troll creep he saw 2 trolls at him coming and he runned, since you had elves PP you just should have used that and in combination with elves you would have easily finished off those 2 trolls, what would have been a huge blast for mordor. Then u would have to get Boromir also to his base along with elves summon and knights and u would have even had a chance of beating or injuring him badly at that point. Altogether, camping really wasn't needed in this game and I'm not giving any more comments about that.

• Scout to see at what point your oppenents army is to use that for the right offensive strat
• Don't miss oppertunitys to kill mordor's trolls early
• Harass more, especially early on

jiho - Mordor
Your early game strat was questionable and the haradrim in this strat pretty much failed, this made your trolls get out very late.
Also you started to build towers way to early imo. You had gollum on his side of the map and you could have easily spotted when his knights where out, also this map has 2 points that can be crossed in order to get to the enemy , just start building some towers when you see his first knights passing one of those points.You were very lucky to not get HS rused tbh.
Btw good use of ors to slow down knights during this ''upgraded knights'' rush. After you got that outpost you should have kept on spamming some more trolls and ranking some orcs with bloodthirst in combo with drummer and getting like lvl 6 ranked combo's.
These combo's are a very good backup for your siege and can atleast hit something. The getting WK and pumping cata's out from 3 Siegeworks would do it. Just that u couldn't protect those cata's with trolls made things different, in my opinion you should have been able to guard them properly, but maybe it was just his host. Pumping out cata's from 3 Siegworks really seemed to work even though you lost many ata's due to poor protection. You retreated after a while, but that's just gave him a breath since he had hardly enough cash to keep up after a while. About his OP he had, not much you could have done about it this game, but maybe you have used it as your major Siege OP, since it's really the only OP gondor can defend properly. You got Balrog earlier than his Aotd, whiped his knights out with his emerging, nice and you also killed gandalf with him. First thing to do with Balrog in castle is ignitting and killing his Citadel with Sword and continueing with Balrog for Dummies. Only thing to worry about is gandalf, just ignore his trebs and lasers and keep him ignitted so he takes less damage.
Also while you have taken down the citadel you might want to attack with all your units since the towers cannot be controlled by the player anymore and are all focused on Gandalf. So after all I really think this game wasn't ass hopeless as it seemed like. Also you might want to see your own replay again and read Generals mordor strat guide on dunharrow

• Don't get haradrim this early after orc pit
• Don't get towers until you have spotted knights crossing one of the 2 crosspoints on this map
• Focus on getting out trolls out as fast as you can, keep building SH's in time
• Get high lvl'ed combo's earlier in your main army
• Perhaps mumakil before he has trebs
• Keep map control, you can always destroy buildings if he comes, with naz if possible and be somewhat more agressive with them
• Never give gondor camper a big breath
• Use my links and rewatch your own replay

Overall rating: 4

If gondor camps vs me, I just quit Id rather loose than bore myself 2 death.

And another gondor lammer

thats a shit map to play vs a camper.

u cant really do anything.


gondor ********************************************************************************

At some point i had loads of troll but because he didnt came out i thought his base was full of rangers and trebuchets are scattered, i would only suicide and mass pp feeding. It's ok for Gondor to camp sometimes but come on,,,, put everything into defense and seeking pp the whole game is just uber lesbian and boring. Unfortunatly ive met many top 100 Gondorians that can only win with pp and bunking. Im not gonna point out who, when you are gay you know you are gay, no need to mention.

look at it this way even if you did win he would not quit. and he would prolly dc you

Tbh if they are camping and you use mass trolls I would abandon that strategy. Mass trolls are good enough to rape Gondor's army and all of its heroes if you play it right, but they are not enough to break Goindor's army backed up by lazers and trebs. You need to either depending on what he has at the moment you find he is camping:
1. Mumakil
2 Mass Catapults
I would suggest mumakil if he is just Gtw laming and he doesn't really have rangers yet. If he has fire rangers and full leadership and all the bullshit, go for mass catapults, like quadruple siege works on a map like this. Slim down the number of trolls you make and get combos and more catas, because when they camp you know eagles will show up sooner or later. Arm your trolls with rocks of trees, whichever you prefer.

I do this against better campers. It's easy & painless. I play games for fun.

Get 30 catas guarded by mass trolls and 3 nazguls

i came up against a guy that started to camp on this map. i just got the top left outpost with 3 siege works and spammed. luckily he wasnt to entrenched so after taking down alot of his wall etc he quit. i always find it difficult to siege campers too summons piss me off so much