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Battle for Middle Earth 2

[ROTW] [R] Val vs Ech - Epic Goblin Mirror Cws

#1Val`  Apr 29 2014, 03:21 AM -

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Hey Otto can you review this? Its a really nice game. Illuvitar was watching.
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#2ArCh4Ng3L  Apr 29 2014, 08:22 AM -

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He posted it in the fb group as well, gonna watch & Review smile.gif.
#3VeNeNo`  Apr 29 2014, 14:22 PM -
Was a nice game but imo not epic.
Epic games are the undecided games till the end,where you see lot's of comebacks and a very good playstyle from all the players.
Here I see val winning getting the upper hand at the beginning and Ectellito failing as gobs.
Echtelito wtf have you done with your costructor at the beginning of the game? biggrin.gif
But well yeah was a nice game at the end.
Curious to see Val expanding not that much while Echtelion kept building tunnels and still Val's eco was way better..even before he got scavenger.
#4SeñorEcthelion  Apr 30 2014, 00:17 AM -

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Well, i wasn't drunk, just offhost and maybe a bit rusty... like unconfortable microing heros, wtf. weird tongue.gif (note: i never make drogoth lol)
And i haven't had to deal with 3 goblin archers leaving a mine to defend it, in a mirror, since ages.! (seems like val is the only decent goblin on this years)

Imo the replay is funny if you watch on the valheru eye, since he defended perfectly, and i suppouse its funny to see goblin archers/spider riders raping my nub warriors spam. While i couldn't even take one resourse building.
I always use stances, it means a shit if your macro has been fuckeadito.

Otto remember our goblin mirrors? in the entire game we make 2-3 archers, and almost no halftroll/riders. Imo that's funny, doesn't matter if i win or i lose. Well, i tried to play like that.tongue.gif

About bats, yep i knew he was goblin, he picked, as always. Pick land had failed me before, so i tried something different. I suppoused that 5pp wouldn't make difference in the mirror to get darkness/balrog. Don't ask me why i summoned the dragon on his base instead of mine tongue.gif


-My conclusion! this wasn't a good game, just a long anus rape.
#5ArCh4Ng3L  Apr 30 2014, 00:45 AM -

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nice sig
#6Val`  Apr 30 2014, 01:09 AM -

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Thanks for Review!
#7SeñorEcthelion  Apr 30 2014, 03:04 AM -

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nice sig

Indeed, its a pic of my pet.
#8ArCh4Ng3L  Apr 30 2014, 07:03 AM -

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Thanks for Review!

My pleasure!
#9SeñorEcthelion  Jul 13 2016, 01:40 AM -
REVIEW BY ArCh4Ng3L

Clan: Unr3al |Nick: Val` aka Valheru` |Race: Goblins
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Clan:Eol |Nick: Ecthelion aka Nubilion |Race: Goblins



An enjoyable enough to watch game with different tactics, fast pacing & much action.

Val` (Goblins)
Being quite aggresive with excellent defense at the same time from the very first minutes of the game, you managed with almost zero mistakes to eliminate your opponent whose faults that I'll mension soon costed him the game.

-Efficient management of your units and productive expansion of RBs.Though I'd prefered to see few tunnels and LMs far beyond the half part of the map, closer to your opponent's base cuz you had more than one chances.So, I sensed that you didn't feel bold enough for that even when you had the upper hand after in middle game.My point is that you mostly used the tunnel system for defense and not for faster rush.
-Classic (Val's) power path which is a must-do for every gob match in this patch (T.Land-Scavenger-Darkness-Rog) .All powers were chosen immediately and this is very important cuz you need the money as soon as possible with Scavenger & the advantages that Darkness brings.
-Your defense and battle stances almost touched perfection through out the whole game.Early archers which were chosen to be made vs Ecth's warrior spam contributed to that.
-You wisely chose to produce units of all types,hence the luxurious show.But SRs+GAs combined with Land+Scavenger were the key for early surpass increasing extremely fast your PPs' rate compared to Ecth's.
(I loved dat CT being mixxed with HTs+GAs+GWs+SRs, sometimes it makes the differense when rushing cuz it will either face the dmg long enough or in best case it will not be seen through all this army and rape all structures in its path).
-Appropriate enough for being host hero micro, while Ecth was either drunk/rusty or had issues with being offhost.I can't know that tongue.gif .
-In conclusion, you had the upper hand during the match being always ahead in Resources, CPs,Powers and Hero levels.


Eol Ecthelion (Goblins)

Not being the Ecthelion that I know, you, my fellow nub, really messed up here.Despite the many mistakes you made,there had been at least 5 crucial "momentos" when you could have seized the advantage and consequently win but well, you gave a good fight for being offhost in a mirror like that.

-After realising what race your opponent is (unless you already knew in case he picked it),
you chose the wrong power in my opinion simply cuz of the reasons I explained above related to the powers path + cuz you had to counter his Land with your Land knowing that its quite essensial in early game.Though ,I'd like to suggest that since you start with Bats, try reach Rog as soon as possible (if you watch replay you will see that mathematically you could have summoned Rog and desolate Drogoth/structures and units long before he used his if you hadn't pick Land+Scavenger after Bats) so in that way you won't have to stay behind in Powers.
-You were quite defensive at early game, making more warrriors compared to archers.You should have rushed better with them and leave your archers behind to defend.Trying to defend with massive warrior spam in early game is kinda suicidal cuz you leave his RBs untouched and you give him time to expand + make stronger army like SRs.
-After realising that you had to deal with his SRs spam, you immediately biult fissure which in my opinion should be the plan B.Next time in situations like this (being attacked by SRs and not HTs) try plan A which is Shelob .
-Nice unit mix too + wise choice of making Gorkil.He is a must hero in this Mu providing LD and more.
-I dont have to mension battle stances, similarly done as Val.
-I saw more aggresion to your biuldings' expansion as I mostly see in the most of your games ,no matter what race but Val's Drogoth combined with his army was annoying enough every time you had to face him.
-Quite poor hero micro, specially being refered to your Drogoth.In 1st fight, you see that you won't make it soon enough for UA and heal your dragon so you should have gone back and let your GAs do the dirty job.Yet, you stayed in middle for some stupid reason and sacrificed him.STILL...your mistake wasn't only this, but the fact that you wasted more than 2500 to revive him when you could actually spend this money for massive unit spam and clear his RBs.His Drogoth was weak enough to be aggressive so as long as you would spend resources to GAs + HTs combined with Gorkil, you would have dealed a countable damage to his basement (not to mention that you would have gotten Rog much faster with that=Drogoth's threat solved) .So it was suicidal and already decided ever since you wished to revive Drogoth more than once.
-In conclusion, not that it matters much but maybe your fortress wouldn't have been destoyed if you had purchased the armor upgrade and summoned Smaug for defense by killing his Giants.Then Smaug could have easily been transfered to Val's base and destroy whatever he could have according to his remaining time.


Entertainment Rating: 8/10
Skill Rating: 8/10
Total: 8
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#10Feanor  Apr 2 2021, 09:18 AM -

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Really enjoyed it, wubbed!
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