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Battle for Middle Earth 2 1.06

[R] Gobo Vs. Elf

#1Kleatus  Jul 24 2006, 06:08 AM -
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I just wanted to post this replay to be reviewed since I thought it contained something other players could learn from. It's the first one I've ever posted, we're both around rank 7000 I geuss at the time of this game. Its about 25 minutes long, me as Goblin and Scody as Elves. It looked like there were many situations where he had me beaten but I kept bouncing back with some what I thought to be wicked spider rider tactics. I did inevitably lose due to map control but i think both sides can learn about the strengths and weaknesses of 2 particular units, The Spider Rider, and the Mithlond Sentry, and how both these units will react to each other head on biggrin.gif

Thanks and Good Gameing, Kleatus
This post has been edited by matt4d: Jul 29 2006, 13:38 PM
#2matt4d  Jul 24 2006, 14:18 PM -
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ok im applying to become an RR so ill do this one.
#3matt4d  Jul 24 2006, 16:10 PM -
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here you go, this is only my second replay so i hope it ok smile.gif thanks.

The Battle for Middle Earth 2
REPLAY REVIEWED BY matt4d

Scody vs Kleatus|13370|
Elves vs Goblins

MAP: FANGORN FOREST

Brief Game Summary:
A fairly interesting game where Scody, as the Elves, had the upper hand throughout the match due to a fairly weak fielding of units by Kleatus, as Goblins. Although Scody applied almost constant pressure on the goblin base, it took a long time to finish the game because he never got upgrades or units. Kreatus counter-attacked relatively weakly a number of times and the Goblin base finally went down to an Ent summon.

Scody - Elves

Initial BO:
Barracks-Tree, Archers-Tree, Archers-Tree, Archers/Mithlond Sentry spam
PP: Farsight -- Rally Call -- Longshot -- Tom Bombadill -- Summon Ents
Strategy: Archer+Mithlond Sentry spam --
Summon Ents

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  • Solid BO
  • Early use of Farsight
  • Used Archers well to pin the enemy back in his base
  • Kept up the pressure on two fronts throughout the match
  • Targetted enemy builders
  • Decent defence of base
  • Good use of second Tom Bomdadill summon, but then wasted Longshot when Tom had the battle won post-13661-1143531603.gif
  • Good use of Ent summon vs Goblin Fortress and buildings
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  • Didn't use stances or clumping
  • Limited Expansion of economy
  • Went for 2, and later 4, barracks's when 1 would suffice tbh post-13661-1143531603.gif
  • Never varied strategy at all
  • Never aquired upgrades, heroes or cavalry
  • Allowed Lorien Archers to be trampled too easily and too often
  • Cashfloating (4000) and still not getting heroes, upgrades or cavalry
  • Wasted Longshot vs fast cavalry
  • Never captured outposts
Player Summary
You started really well using a tried and tested BO to good effect. It was clear very early on that there would be an elven victory. However, that victory took a long time to come about because you never varied your strategy!!! you continued to spam archers and mithlonds from 4 barracks right untill the end of the game. This was only succesfull because Kreatus never produced half trolls to counter your pikes, and continued to use spider riders. You used some of your PPs well but wasted others terribly. For eg, using Tom Bombadill vs fast cavalry, using Longshot vs fast cavalry, and wasting Lonshot when your 2nd Tom summon had the job done already.

Overall, the win would have come sooner if you hadn't continued to spam mithlonds and archers throughout.

Suggestions for Improved Gameplay smile.gif
  • Check out the Elven Strategy Forum for ideas on how to expand your strategy into mid and late game
  • Don't waste your PPs! They are game winners!
  • Learn how to Micro-manage your units using Sepha's Orc Micro Guide
  • Improve your PP selection, I would recommend Farsight -- Tom Bombadill -- Ents as this gets you to ents quickly. Elves need ents as one of their main option for taking down a fortress. Elven Strategy Forum again.
  • Aquire Heros, upgrades and cavalry. Lancers are deadly to goblin warriors. Silverthorn Arrows are deadly to just about anything. Glorfindel's Blademaster ability is the perfect mobile counter to Spider Riders as it does area-of-effect damage.
banana.gif Player Rating: 3/10 banana.gif [/size]

Kleatus|13370| - Goblins

Initial BO: Tunnel-Cave, Goblins-Cave, Goblins-Goblins, Tunnel
PP: War Chant -- Tainted Land -- Summon Wildmen -- Scavenger -- Summon Bats -- Summon Wyrm
Strategy: Goblin spam -- Spider Riders

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  • Decent BO
  • 2 Caves, 2 Spider Pits
  • Early attacks
  • Used Stances
  • Good expansion of economy early game
  • Captured nearby outpost
  • Effective ambushes using tunnels
  • Good use of Spider Riders spears, trample and bows
  • Great summon of Wyrm vs bunched up units
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  • Attacked units when harassing
  • No clumping when attacking structures
  • Total waste of 1st War Chant
  • Struggled to rebuild base after attacks by Scody
  • Never got Half Troll Marauders in responce to mithlond spam
  • No heroes
  • No upgrades
Player Summary
I think you really could've won this match if you had got half trolls, and not continued to use spider riders and goblins. HTs + upgrades would have signalled the end for those pesky lorien archers. they really did the damage to you. Your BO was good and you started attacking immediately which was good. Remember to target buidings though when harassing. You were finally killed off by Ents which, had you produced HTs, would have been no big deal at all.

Suggestions for Improved Gameplay smile.gif
  • Late game, your main infantry must be made of Half Trolls
  • Make use of clumping to further improve your harassment. See the Orc Micro Guide by Sepha for a great explanation.
  • Get Drogoth asap. As long as he is kept away from archers untill he has later level abilties, he is a game winner.
  • Check out the Goblin Strategy Forum for help on how to implement upgrades, HTs and heroes into your game.
banana.gif Player Rating: 5/10 banana.gif

Overall Game Rating: 3/10



This post has been edited by Max799: Jul 26 2006, 14:46 PM
#4matt4d  Jul 24 2006, 16:11 PM -
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sorry about the dark fonts and dodgy alignment btw - happened on the last one too. ill see if i can sort it out smile.gif hope the content is ok.

pretty much sorted now
This post has been edited by matt4d: Jul 24 2006, 16:28 PM
#5Kleatus  Jul 24 2006, 17:24 PM -
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Thanks for the review matt! Best of luck on the way to becoming an RR. Half-Trolls would've won it no doubt, but I realized that after the game ended lol, I was to busy keeping his bloody mithlonds away from my fortress, and completely forgot that at some point he was going to summon Ents. n1qshok.gif
#6matt4d  Jul 24 2006, 17:27 PM -
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lol thankyou very much laugh.gif
#7Nakeo  Jul 25 2006, 18:19 PM -
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Good review fonts and colors are a little weird tho. A few sugestions some pros and cons are a bit minute such as " Great summon of Wyrm vs bunched up units" also you don't have to mention if there Bo was good i would only mentionm there BO if it was reall screwed up or competly ineffective. You did a very good job and will become an RR in no time
#8Feline  Jul 26 2006, 11:49 AM -
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Good review there - Looks very professional thumb.gif

Good luck with your application
#9Max Nub  Jul 26 2006, 14:42 PM -
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good review thumb.gif

ill edit those little black messy fonts and stuff out of there for u smile.gif

The only things i would say, is to use less pros and cons, a lot of yours are very minute like spartin said. Like "solid BO" and "Early use of farsight"could've been left out smile.gif
This post has been edited by Max799: Jul 26 2006, 14:50 PM
#10matt4d  Jul 26 2006, 21:01 PM -
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lol max nice input tbh. inputs and tbh ftw tbh






























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