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[R] Rotem CHINA Vs Squaak USA

#1Rotem321  Sep 2 2013, 13:47 PM -
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it was realy good game..enjoy
#2squaak  Sep 2 2013, 17:22 PM -
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This is probably the most enjoyable UvC I played since I came back.
Lot of action and many come backs from both sides.

Your ovie's micro is really good. Coupled with gats, you make it very hard to kill any ovies.
#3Joeyson  Sep 3 2013, 02:17 AM -
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First Review(don't hate)

Squaak vs Rotem UvC

Squaak:

-You started with 2 supplies and palidan dropped the oil closest to you, you managed to stop china from capturing oil and destroying it. nice job.
-You tried hard to prevent him from capturing the far oil, but failed. You killed it quickly though.
-I feel like you went for the middle supply too early, as china managed to kill it almost immediately after you built it.
-Awesome laser locking the whole game, really.
- You had a paladin sitting right in china's base not firing at anything, and it was unnoticed by china. you could have done some good damage with it.
-You took middle eventually;Nice job putting pressure on china. At this time you had 4 Chinooks on your main supply with none on your secondary, but you had middle so income wasn't a problem.
- You were able to kill an airfield full of migs with upgrades with A10 strike, nice work.
-Those 2 ovies and Gatling tank mix seemed to give you a lot of trouble, but nice MD spam with paladin mix. That pushed him back.
-You seemed to have the game in the bag, then a gat slipped in, then a flamer slipped in, then his lotus came and started stealing stuff.
- It seemed like you got too comfortable and lost the middle. Don't get too cocky, we all know you're good
-It was a nice move attacking, but you left that uber Overlord in your base and it destroyed you. However you were finally able to kill it right before it killed your command center with an A0 strike. I'm sure it would have killed the rest of your base!

Pros: You killed oils early, took the middle, finally killed uber ovie with A10, nice job killing gats with thomohawk and leaving ovies for MD's, and you had great laser locking.
Cons: Watch for mines !, you let a couple flamers in that killed some crucial buildings, you could have killed his base earlier.
-Overall nice game play and micro, you had great decisions and you thought fast with a crucial decision to abandon your base with an uber ovie destroying everything. it paid off though!


Rotem:
-you started with 2 supplies and fast oil grab. You managed to capture 1 but failed on the far one.
-You were able to take the middle with the help of a 2nd war factory.
-Those 2 battle masters you sent on the left flank really distracted USA and you were able to kill some buildings.
-You decided to go migs, the you lost the middle fairly easily.
-It seemed that everything was going bad for you, you had no units, no money, only 4 migs. Then your ovie came to the rescue.
- You were done. I thought you lost, game over. But you managed to fight him off with 1 ovie and 1 gat. Very nice.
-Awesome lotus/mines/ovie combo! Your lotus froze paladins while ovie killed them. USA couldn't charge because there were mines in between.
-Facing obliteration once again you managed to steal a few thousand dollars with your lotus and spammed gats to fight off the pali/thomohawk/md army.
-You stole like 9k$. Nice job! Then you were able to sneak in a gat and a flamer to distract him and stole the middle.
-Amazing ovie micro! very nice.
-Nice mine drops, they really slowed USA and killed a lot of units.
-That uber ovie was unstoppable! You would have easily killed USA's whole base. Until you lost it to an A10 strike. So close to killing his CC!
-His palis bypassed your ovie and went straight to your base, why not start spamming tank hunters?

Pros: Absolutly amazing ovie micro, nice ovie gat combo, your lotus usage was pretty great also, nice gen point usage with mines and emp.
Cons: You lost a lot of gats that shouldn't have been lost, you didn't use a single nuke, you floated money up to 6k at one point
Overall you should have lost very early in the game! You had a great comeback with some uber ovie micro.



Overall impression of the game: I honestly thought the game was pretty slow; yeah there was some great action but overall a little slow to watch. Both players played with great skill. The game went back and forth a few times. china should have lost early. USA seemed to get over confident and almost lost the game in the end.

Skill: 8.5/10
Entertainment: 6.5/10
Surprises/End of game closeness: 7/10
Overall: 7.33/10
#4squaak  Sep 3 2013, 14:06 PM -
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First Review(don't hate)

Squaak:

-I feel like you went for the middle supply too early, as china managed to kill it almost immediately after you built it.
- You had a paladin sitting right in china's base not firing at anything, and it was unnoticed by china. you could have done some good damage with it.
-You took middle eventually;Nice job putting pressure on china. At this time you had 4 Chinooks on your main supply with none on your secondary, but you had middle so income wasn't a problem.
-You seemed to have the game in the bag, then a gat slipped in, then a flamer slipped in, then his lotus came and started stealing stuff.
- It seemed like you got too comfortable and lost the middle. Don't get too cocky, we all know you're good
-It was a nice move attacking, but you left that uber Overlord in your base and it destroyed you. However you were finally able to kill it right before it killed your command center with an A0 strike. I'm sure it would have killed the rest of your base!


Cons: Watch for mines !, you let a couple flamers in that killed some crucial buildings, you could have killed his base earlier.



Thanks a lot for the review. You exactly pointed out the mystakes I was thinking about. Here are some explanations about my feeings during the game :

-Too early middle supply cause I lost those 2 paladins due to mines and was unable to defend my advanced post then. Sometimes just retreating is the best.
-About the paladin in china's base, yes, I totally forgot about him.
-I normally should have lost in early game after loosing those 2 paladins in middle.
Hopefully for me he stopped spamming units and were for migs + upgrade which costed him a lot.
-Imo I lost the middle cause I was too offensive, while he had perfect units to defend properly. I lost way too much paladins for nothing.
Camping middle while taking money would have assured me the win without much problems.
-About the uber Overland in my base, I think I had absolutly no way to kill him with conventionnal weapons. That's why I tried the all or nothing and went for his base with all my tanks. In case I wouldn't have be able to shoot the ovie with the a10, I would have sold my cc to get some money to build something in china's base.

Since I had more units, I think I would still have been able to kill his last scaffold in my base.

Imo he should been have used his ovie to defend only while taking money. If he kept moving it, I had no chance to destroy it.
#5Murder-  Sep 3 2013, 15:00 PM -
More replay reviewers. Nice! I might post some old replays then for fun. smile.gif I'll try n watch this tonight!
#6krew  Sep 3 2013, 18:00 PM -
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still need to watch, and then ill read the discussions about it, but by the sound of it, its a good rep. Ill check it out.

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Really nice ovie/gat micro. Migs could be used more on inf, as well as buying chain gun upgrade.

Going four migs so fast was a mistake. Just make AF then one mig so you only spend 2200, and use that mig to hunt down groups of mds and rangers.

Squaak, imo, Burton on that level three ovie from behind would be a decent way to try and kill it. You strat is to slow honestly, if you make the strat just a bit faster, put hold the line, and upgrade to composite armor, and spam crusaders/mds, you could have easily plowed though two overlords.
This post has been edited by krew: Sep 3 2013, 18:31 PM
#7squaak  Sep 3 2013, 18:57 PM -
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still need to watch, and then
Squaak, imo, Burton on that level three ovie from behind would be a decent way to try and kill it. You strat is to slow honestly, if you make the strat just a bit faster, put hold the line, and upgrade to composite armor, and spam crusaders/mds, you could have easily plowed though two overlords.


About Burton, I don't think 1 single charge would kill an uber overland.
And with all the gats + lotus, it's hard to use burton properly.

About the strat center it might be a good idea to buy composite armor (I never ever used it cause I always considered it too expensive). I'm not sure about puting hold the line, since you loose the radar (anti-lotus) and the extra-range.
This extra range seems essential to fight a moving overlord.
It needs to be tested imo.
#8ScOtSmAn  Sep 3 2013, 19:07 PM -

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HTL + Crusaders = uber anti-overlord tactic biggrin.gif
#9krew  Sep 3 2013, 20:14 PM -
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still need to watch, and then
Squaak, imo, Burton on that level three ovie from behind would be a decent way to try and kill it. You strat is to slow honestly, if you make the strat just a bit faster, put hold the line, and upgrade to composite armor, and spam crusaders/mds, you could have easily plowed though two overlords.


About Burton, I don't think 1 single charge would kill an uber overland.
And with all the gats + lotus, it's hard to use burton properly.

About the strat center it might be a good idea to buy composite armor (I never ever used it cause I always considered it too expensive). I'm not sure about puting hold the line, since you loose the radar (anti-lotus) and the extra-range.
This extra range seems essential to fight a moving overlord.
It needs to be tested imo.

composite is expensive, but crusaders being 200 bucks cheaper makes up for it. HTL plus composite makes your crusaders a force that require more than just one or two level three over lords, You would force him to use migs and THs to compete with such power, giving you lots of room to breath in middle so you can collect.

honestly both are underrated upgrades. Only way he could kill your crusaders is with fully upgraded overlords with sw upgrades and speaker tower upgrades.

Perhaps nationalism battle master spam would do really well vs that too.

Top players like never make the upgrades when they can for all army's, except for napalm. it makes a massive difference and changes the unit compensation completely sometimes. Full upgrade battle masters under the effect of speaker tower makes him unreal. Put nuke speed on them with one overlord speaker tower, and you pretty much don't even need gat's. lol

Also I think composite give crusaders 20% more armor and palas only 10%, another reason to pick those over palas.
This post has been edited by krew: Sep 3 2013, 20:25 PM
#10squaak  Sep 4 2013, 11:15 AM -
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composite is expensive, but crusaders being 200 bucks cheaper makes up for it. HTL plus composite makes your crusaders a force that require more than just one or two level three over lords, You would force him to use migs and THs to compete with such power, giving you lots of room to breath in middle so you can collect.

honestly both are underrated upgrades. Only way he could kill your crusaders is with fully upgraded overlords with sw upgrades and speaker tower upgrades.

Perhaps nationalism battle master spam would do really well vs that too.

Top players like never make the upgrades when they can for all army's, except for napalm. it makes a massive difference and changes the unit compensation completely sometimes. Full upgrade battle masters under the effect of speaker tower makes him unreal. Put nuke speed on them with one overlord speaker tower, and you pretty much don't even need gat's. lol

Also I think composite give crusaders 20% more armor and palas only 10%, another reason to pick those over palas.

The point is that you can't buy composite armor before collecting in the middle.
Firstly you wouldn't have enough tanks to defend, moreover building the strat center + compositite armor in a row is just not possible, as you need to continue spamming inf as well.
The upgrade seems good only to help securising the middle while still controling it.

I usually buyed the advanced training option for fast promotion, but it's probably not a wise choice against overlord/gat mix.

Upgrading overlands with sw upgrades is a non sense. This can be used only in 3v3;4v4 games.

Bm's are way more vulnerable to md's. I don't think it's the best to use them massivly.

For information composite gives 40% more armor to crusaders and 20% to paladins.
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