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Jundiyy vs Excal - Stealth vs GLA [R]

#1Jundiyy  Jun 1 2020, 15:00 PM -

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Quite an interesting game with a base swap on Sand Scorpion.
#2Madara  Jun 1 2020, 18:03 PM -
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looking forward to play you jundiy.
#3Jundiyy  Jun 2 2020, 12:25 PM -

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Sure can do smile.gif
#4Moliere  Jun 2 2020, 21:16 PM -
My favorite map with the map creator himself playing on it biggrin.gif


I'm surprised none of you send your first or even second worker to the island in such a matchup on this map.



Jundiyy : IPB Image

Good job at punishing the lack of boxing on Excal's base, although I don't know why he ( and also you ) left such an opening in the first place. Only downside would be fearing an incredible tech terror that kill 2 building at once, but I think it's very unlikely to work on this map particulary as it's such a cornered zone that is easy to protect.

( you also still can use fake rax boxing if you really don't wanna expose a double strike with supply/wf but I know I'm boring everyone with those stupid fake rax trick ! tongue.gif ).

You were a bit late on the oil. Not talking about the build order, but simply the fact you had at one point enough money to purchase the capture without slowing down anything for that way before you actually did it.

You were quick at expanding when allowed to, which was good. Force firing the main ennemy oil with a tech opg was also a smart move, probably the best you could get from such a small army in a cornered GLA base.

The palace at this timing was the typical mistake I often make myself when things are going too good. When you are so ahead and are only going to be even more over time, your only lose condition becomes to get overly greedy and invest your advantage in even more expansion and tech up that provide no imminent power.

That tiny window when your lead was invested in the long term gave a chance to Excal to somehow have a stronger army killing your main base with double wf spam, despite him having less money. You needed to invest in more tunnels and/or arms dealer first, then the money advantage you already had would slowly allow you to get the palace on top of it without having less production than him at any point.


There was a lack of random workers running around to build tunnels in the mid and lategame. You could have get more map control or at least attempt at it. The fact you relied on your army driving rather than using multiples tunnel was part of the reason you lost your main base. You should have bring the quads back and slowly claim the rest of the map with tunnels ramping always more forward.


Loved the stealth radar that spoted the demo trap.

Even with those map control tunnels lacking a bit, you could still at least scan the oil to see if you could plan something on them. It appears they weren't particulary well covered.

I think the scud storm was a decent choice considering his markets placement and the posititon you were in, but allowing the sneak attack near it was the mistake to really not make. And that happened twice ! tongue.gif Especially as stealth, spamming tunnels feels same as spamming units, you never really have too many of them.





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Why no boxing on the workers ? sad.gif Cost you so much pain. You did good at mirroring the harassement though. Was it a " 1V1 CW NO NOOB NO BOX +++ " type of game or something ? tongue.gif

I'm not sure at all about tech terror first on this map, but if you are going for it then you at least need to be extra fast with it, and that really wasn't the case.

Definitely too slow on taking the map control on the island. Partially a consequence of the tech terror opening. Not to mention trying to build the tunnel just near the neutral building was way too optimistic.

You're still a beast at identifying win condition later on though. Not wasting time getting more behind once behind, find the opening right and quick, intemporal expert skill right there.

Nice demo traps finally paid off.



Overall good game. Many mistakes were made but they were keep being punished from both sides which made it interesting.
This post has been edited by Moliere: Jun 2 2020, 23:11 PM
#5DooM^^  Jun 3 2020, 09:00 AM -

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what a nice game GG for both <3
#6OoE-ExCaL^  Jun 3 2020, 20:58 PM -
nice game
#7Jundiyy  Jun 3 2020, 23:10 PM -

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Thanks for the review and yea I was saying on stream as well, I knew he had oils but I thought I couldn't get there.
I knew the Palace was a bad idea, as too early but worse was the double Scud Storms, I went in too early, should have gone with more harassment.
But yea as Excal said, it was a nice game overall. Main thing is, we both enjoyed it and to me, that matters. Enjoy the game.
#8cncHD  Jun 5 2020, 20:18 PM -
Nice Game. WUB. I´ve done a commentary for the Replay. You can find it here:

#9Jundiyy  Jun 7 2020, 10:06 AM -

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Oh! Totally awesome! Thanks.
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