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Tournament Desert No Bugs No Cars
Tournament Desert No Bugs No Cars
#1BoYcaH0  Aug 23 2016, 14:33 PM -
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Imba?
#2Wildhide  Aug 23 2016, 18:10 PM -
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Nice game.Here's some points
1st.I loved how boycah played the vchina.The only things different that I woud've done would be some bunkers at the checkpoints(with neutrom mines yes)cause if you had those exile coudn't counterattack you that easy, and you even had the money for them.In the rest I woud've went for migs maybie, or get the supplies a little more forward, clear the middle with the infernos first and replair the b buildings so that you could mine better.
2nd.Not gonna lie, exile popped really bad in general in this game.If he woud've popped better, he coud've defended the middle in the early game, but I would say the infernos woud've cleared it in the late game still.Also, double arms dealer, as a demo, really?I see what you mean by spamming quads, but firstly you're demo, so you have them more expensive, and second, if you had demo bikes when there weren't that many ecm's it woud've ended better.
3rd.Some guys might condemn you for building the internet center boycah, but I think it was a great idea.The internet center has 8 hackers, and if you include the 12% bonus to each it pretty much makes them 3 BM's, for the price of 3 BM's.And they can become vetted which makes them 6 BM's (1 1/2 supplies).It's Vchina's only 3 BM's, which I think many can underestimate how much cash they can give you if you go in a late game situation.
Sorry for the long post...
#3-ExiLe`  Aug 23 2016, 20:42 PM -
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yo wildhide, let me respond to your points in order tongue.gif (did not rewatch the replay tho)

1. im not sure about neutron mines, it's quite an investment, which is resulting in less units. but.. boycah actually used neutron mines in this game (I think u missed that?) and actually captured like 4 quads with it! This makes me think it's actually a super good investment, altho it's the element of suprise that caught me, plus that I wasnt really paying attention there tbh, because i didnt see any units and used guard mode if I remember correctly.

2. I think i focussed too much on playing fast instead of thinking which resulted in bad pops etc. I also underestimated the match up because we played another gvc mu before where I won quite easily with quad spam only. But you are totally right wildhide, demo shud exploit his powers by going for palace quick when having a decent amount of quads.

3. I really want to see that goddamn chart now LOL
#4Wildhide  Aug 24 2016, 07:25 AM -
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yo wildhide, let me respond to your points in order tongue.gif (did not rewatch the replay tho)

1. im not sure about neutron mines, it's quite an investment, which is resulting in less units. but.. boycah actually used neutron mines in this game (I think u missed that?) and actually captured like 4 quads with it! This makes me think it's actually a super good investment, altho it's the element of suprise that caught me, plus that I wasnt really paying attention there tbh, because i didnt see any units and used guard mode if I remember correctly.

2. I think i focussed too much on playing fast instead of thinking which resulted in bad pops etc. I also underestimated the match up because we played another gvc mu before where I won quite easily with quad spam only. But you are totally right wildhide, demo shud exploit his powers by going for palace quick when having a decent amount of quads.

3. I really want to see that goddamn chart now LOL

I mean if you wanna see the chart wait for domi to make a video or message me privatly and I'll give it to you
Also I said WITH neutron mines not WITHOUT.I know neutrons can do when you have 1 building, don't worry.They are 600 dollars it's not that big for what they do
#5-ExiLe`  Aug 24 2016, 11:32 AM -
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im fine w8ing for domis vid, but thx. And I was talking about neutron mines in general, questioning if it's worth to always protect the flanks with em..cuz it makes a flank almost impassable, atleast buying alot of time before they are cleared or gone.. but the costs are like 1100 in total which is quite alot
#6Wildhide  Aug 24 2016, 12:03 PM -
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im fine w8ing for domis vid, but thx. And I was talking about neutron mines in general, questioning if it's worth to always protect the flanks with em..cuz it makes a flank almost impassable, atleast buying alot of time before they are cleared or gone.. but the costs are like 1100 in total which is quite alot

*SPOILER OF THE CHART* China earns around 4800/min(5400 perfectly placed)if they have 2 supplies so it's not that much for such a good defense
#7Herb  Aug 24 2016, 14:50 PM -
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cool to see people discussing and learning the game ^^
#8-ExiLe`  Aug 24 2016, 15:12 PM -
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isnt everybody still trying to learn china? tongue.gif
#9BoYcaH0  Aug 24 2016, 15:36 PM -
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isnt everybody still trying to learn china? tongue.gif

I think I got it down! wink.gif)
#10BoYcaH0  Aug 24 2016, 15:40 PM -
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Nice game.Here's some points
1st.I loved how boycah played the vchina.The only things different that I woud've done would be some bunkers at the checkpoints(with neutrom mines yes)cause if you had those exile coudn't counterattack you that easy, and you even had the money for them.In the rest I woud've went for migs maybie, or get the supplies a little more forward, clear the middle with the infernos first and replair the b buildings so that you could mine better.
2nd.Not gonna lie, exile popped really bad in general in this game.If he woud've popped better, he coud've defended the middle in the early game, but I would say the infernos woud've cleared it in the late game still.Also, double arms dealer, as a demo, really?I see what you mean by spamming quads, but firstly you're demo, so you have them more expensive, and second, if you had demo bikes when there weren't that many ecm's it woud've ended better.
3rd.Some guys might condemn you for building the internet center boycah, but I think it was a great idea.The internet center has 8 hackers, and if you include the 12% bonus to each it pretty much makes them 3 BM's, for the price of 3 BM's.And they can become vetted which makes them 6 BM's (1 1/2 supplies).It's Vchina's only 3 BM's, which I think many can underestimate how much cash they can give you if you go in a late game situation.
Sorry for the long post...

Thank you for your analyse! I agree about the bunkers on the flanks but I was actually really worried about the dozer hunt. Otherwise, I would have built a bunker on the left flank early on. Seemed to be fine without the bunker anyways because of my focus on the middle keeping him somewhat busy. smile.gif And of course the other side was a perfect nuetron mined bunker! Super lucky! Those 4 or so quads helped me out big time! wink.gif I think the hacker center is worth it because of the way it defends the weak hackers from lame attacks etc. smile.gif
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