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# 1fastAiR Feb 26 2024, 20:56 PM
Might be interesting to increase starting money options to 100k. 10k Still standard ofc, but up to 100k, 75k too.

love it or hate it? what harm can it do?

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# 2Moliere Feb 26 2024, 21:05 PM
Unlimited money was a somewhat popular noob thing back in the days, on flat empty maps.


But anything above 20 k sounds pretty crap tbh

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# 3fastAiR Feb 26 2024, 21:13 PM
QUOTE(Moliere @ Feb 26 2024, 21:05 PM) *

Unlimited money was a somewhat popular noob thing back in the days, on flat empty maps.
But anything above 20 k sounds pretty crap tbh

well I'm just watching 50k, and thought maybe people would play it if it was an option. I don't see any reason why not to include. its peoples choice what they pick, so give the option no?

I don't even play 50k, so no interest to me, just haven't seen this discussed before I don't think. And maybe some would like it?

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# 4Fred Smit Feb 26 2024, 21:39 PM
i agree with moliere here, 20k, like you said fastair "maybe some would like it" I'm sure some or a few will smile.gif

Another thing i mentioned in a post , if you have 20k start, you can do a quick setup, get some troops out, after that you still need to be careful what to build or buy next, and a part of the game is about getting and protecting your resources, if you have plenty cash, it isnt that important, so your workers or what get killed, but you still have 60 or 70k left, so its not that big of a deal as with 10 or 20k

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# 5ReLaX Feb 26 2024, 21:52 PM
I think the patch is going to have various starting money.

For me 50k or 30k is the maximum.

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# 6fastAiR Feb 27 2024, 00:01 AM
QUOTE(ReLaX @ Feb 26 2024, 21:52 PM) *

I think the patch is going to have various starting money.

For me 50k or 30k is the maximum.

why not include the option though?

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# 7Phoenix- Feb 27 2024, 07:13 AM


The game can't handle too many units with 10k starting cash, now add this amount of money times 10 and you have the answer to "what harm could it do".

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# 8cncHD Feb 27 2024, 09:08 AM
This Bamby thing is starting to get boring. No need to harass fast air in every topic with this overplayed meme.


100k is too much. 50k already is too much. 20k is max for me.
Maybe in Mayhem style maps 100k can make sense, but these maps have $ 1000000000 anyway

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# 9-Lift-TruCK^ Feb 27 2024, 10:05 AM
How about 100k 3v3 TF

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# 10RaWY Feb 27 2024, 10:30 AM
5k sw mirror would be much better than this

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# 11Squaggle Feb 27 2024, 11:14 AM
QUOTE(Moliere @ Feb 26 2024, 21:05 PM) *

Unlimited money was a somewhat popular noob thing back in the days, on flat empty maps.
But anything above 20 k sounds pretty crap tbh

One of my favourite no money maps was the blank square map with just a instant pickup money crate. No other economy available on the map. Played 100s of games on that map back in the day. The rage when someone got USA army, scanned and scaffed their opponents money crates. It was so broken and silly but resulted in some really fun games. Probbaly a super noob format but fun was had.

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This Bamby thing is starting to get boring. No need to harass fast air in every topic with this overplayed meme.

I'm in full agreement. It brings nothing to the discussion. I've long wondered why certain people feel the undying need to comment on a topic saying it's boring or useless, so boring and useless that they feel the need to spend an amount of their time saying so...

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# 12Goldjunge Feb 27 2024, 12:18 PM
QUOTE(-Lift-TruCK^ @ Feb 27 2024, 10:05 AM) *

How about 100k 3v3 TF

No, please no.
I watched some of the latest 50k TF Games and noticed it's more boring than any 10k Games.
People make fast 3-4 WF/AD and spam Units. Due to the high starting Cash they somehow neglect the secondary Eco.
After an initial fighting phase, the game quickly levels off and the spam from 4 WF/AD no longer synchronizes with the income.
That happens in every 50K Game i watched.
Few Minutes Action, than boring.

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# 13-Lift-TruCK^ Feb 27 2024, 13:43 PM
QUOTE(Goldjunge @ Feb 27 2024, 15:48 PM) *

No, please no.
I watched some of the latest 50k TF Games and noticed it's more boring than any 10k Games.
People make fast 3-4 WF/AD and spam Units. Due to the high starting Cash they somehow neglect the secondary Eco.
After an initial fighting phase, the game quickly levels off and the spam from 4 WF/AD no longer synchronizes with the income.
That happens in every 50K Game i watched.
Few Minutes Action, than boring.

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# 14FiRe^ArM Feb 27 2024, 15:56 PM
QUOTE(Goldjunge @ Feb 27 2024, 17:48 PM) *

No, please no.
I watched some of the latest 50k TF Games and noticed it's more boring than any 10k Games.
People make fast 3-4 WF/AD and spam Units. Due to the high starting Cash they somehow neglect the secondary Eco.
After an initial fighting phase, the game quickly levels off and the spam from 4 WF/AD no longer synchronizes with the income.
That happens in every 50K Game i watched.
Few Minutes Action, than boring.

And then there is one player who was with 0 xp after 8 mins (don't remember if it's 10k or 50k)

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# 15-Lift-TruCK^ Feb 27 2024, 16:38 PM
QUOTE(FiRe^ArM @ Feb 27 2024, 19:26 PM) *

And then there is one player who was with 0 xp after 8 mins (don't remember if it's 10k or 50k)

Don't make me call Nickname

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# 16ToBiRama™ Feb 28 2024, 02:17 AM
QUOTE(Goldjunge @ Feb 27 2024, 20:18 PM) *

No, please no.
I watched some of the latest 50k TF Games and noticed it's more boring than any 10k Games.
People make fast 3-4 WF/AD and spam Units. Due to the high starting Cash they somehow neglect the secondary Eco.
After an initial fighting phase, the game quickly levels off and the spam from 4 WF/AD no longer synchronizes with the income.
That happens in every 50K Game i watched.
Few Minutes Action, than boring.


neglect secondary eco? What kind of 50k games were you watching? :D

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# 17-NickName Feb 28 2024, 08:19 AM
It could be fun to see a 100k match, although I think that might be a bit too much money. You can get a good army out and drop 10 scuds for example.

For 1v1s it might work, but having a 100k 3v3 TF would result in even more crashes. Giving the people the option to have 100k will make people play it and the game is not stable for that. If that gets fixed, yeah 100k might be a thing but I still think it is a bit too much money though.

QUOTE(Squaggle @ Feb 27 2024, 11:14 AM) *

One of my favourite no money maps was the blank square map with just a instant pickup money crate. No other economy available on the map. Played 100s of games on that map back in the day. The rage when someone got USA army, scanned and scaffed their opponents money crates. It was so broken and silly but resulted in some really fun games. Probbaly a super noob format but fun was had.


Oh yeah, I remember playing unlimited money. Basically you should never stop making dozers and more war factories until you don't have enough space left. It was quite chaotic those games.

QUOTE(-Lift-TruCK^ @ Feb 27 2024, 16:38 PM) *

Don't make me call Nickname


You rang?

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# 18fastAiR Feb 28 2024, 19:31 PM
QUOTE(ToBiRama™ @ Feb 28 2024, 02:17 AM) *

neglect secondary eco? What kind of 50k games were you watching? biggrin.gif

I have got the attention of the TF boss!

But yea, it was just a random thought. You guys raise some pretty good points of why it may be an issue, but still, people can pick the money so them having the option doesnt really cause harm IMO. If it sucks, don't pick it, makes no difference to you. I still think some people may like it. If they do, probably good to try a modded tourney with 100k and see how it goes.

1v1 players like Mara have been enjoying the 20k format, so don't assume everyone will auto hate 100k. 50k is very popular and 100k may be a nice addition to that. 100k doesnt necessarily mean a longer campy game, it could mean bigger armies faster, and fast kills. We really don't know until its played a fair bit and a meta is born.

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# 19ToBiRama™ Feb 29 2024, 05:17 AM
QUOTE(fastAiR @ Feb 29 2024, 03:31 AM) *

I have got the attention of the TF boss!

But yea, it was just a random thought. You guys raise some pretty good points of why it may be an issue, but still, people can pick the money so them having the option doesnt really cause harm IMO. If it sucks, don't pick it, makes no difference to you. I still think some people may like it. If they do, probably good to try a modded tourney with 100k and see how it goes.

1v1 players like Mara have been enjoying the 20k format, so don't assume everyone will auto hate 100k. 50k is very popular and 100k may be a nice addition to that. 100k doesnt necessarily mean a longer campy game, it could mean bigger armies faster, and fast kills. We really don't know until its played a fair bit and a meta is born.


Honestly it's not about that we will hate it, it's mostly about that with more money we will face more crashes

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# 20Fred Smit Feb 29 2024, 11:21 AM
wasn't someone working on fixing it, more memory etc.? I'm sure i read it somewhere on the forum lately, to fix crashes when many troops are out

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