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# 1Percocet Jul 11 2021, 14:20 PM
Who wouid win 1v1 BO11 current queenmuff or excal the legend is old golden days (September 22 2003 - September 30 2003)?

Interesting to see if the skill level back then was higher.

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# 2Leikeze Jul 11 2021, 14:36 PM
Excal because he would remember Helix.

Anyway, we've already had this discussion many times before. Old experts / pros would be just as good now as they were then if given the same conditions either way around.

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# 3Moliere Jul 11 2021, 15:23 PM
Old pros would probably win on td but be behind on others maps until they catch up.

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# 4Metti Jul 11 2021, 15:34 PM
Never watched a replay from 2003

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# 5-NickName Jul 11 2021, 15:42 PM
NickName 2021 would beat the crap out of NickName 2003.

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# 6Leikeze Jul 11 2021, 15:58 PM
QUOTE(Moliere @ Jul 11 2021, 10:23 AM) *

Old pros would probably win on td but be behind on others maps until they catch up.

It takes expert players just a few games on a map to have it flushed out, especially with how straight forward mirrored-base maps are.

By the way, here's a very old list of top players.
Spalding mostly approved it at the time,
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spalding' date='Apr 20 2005, 08:50 AM' post='76404']
Very good list and I can agree with pretty much every rank. Id only give thor a higher rating ( 3 or 4) because unless youve tried playing vusa yourself at top level you wont see how much hard work he put into it as it's easily the most micro intense side there is. I also dont agree with a hacker being in TOP 10 but I dont want to drag this off topic tongue.gif.

QUOTE(Metti @ Jul 11 2021, 10:34 AM) *

Never watched a replay from 2003

I don't have any from the time on file, but I'm sure somebody like MrX would.

And there should be some pretty old replays on CW.cc as attachments.

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# 7queenmuff Jul 11 2021, 16:00 PM
Hmmm I'd say queenmuff 🤔🤔

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# 8Moliere Jul 11 2021, 16:10 PM
QUOTE(Leikeze @ Jul 11 2021, 15:58 PM) *

It takes expert players just a few games on a map to have it flushed out, especially with how straight forward mirrored-base maps are.




That sounds wrong, I played a bit in 2007-2008 and I was on a nowadays "low semi level" but could win a few games against some of the big players if I was lucky at time.

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# 9Leikeze Jul 11 2021, 16:12 PM
QUOTE(Moliere @ Jul 11 2021, 11:10 AM) *

That sounds wrong, I played a bit in 2007-2008 and I was on a nowadays "low semi level" but could win a few games against some of the big players if I was lucky at time.

What part of what you just said in reply to what I said makes what I said wrong? tongue.gif biggrin.gif

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# 10Moliere Jul 11 2021, 16:21 PM
2003 expert would not reliably beat queen off td.

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# 11FiRe^ArM Jul 11 2021, 16:23 PM
Queen v Blind/Apollo
go go go

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# 12 Sam Jul 11 2021, 16:27 PM
Old experts imo

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# 13zhboring Jul 11 2021, 16:49 PM
Zero Hour was released in late 2003, almost 2004?
It is not only about BO, but also about micro and knowledge.
Today there are still many players and they aren't Experts. Why?
A simple example is Spalding He doesn't play the longest of all. Why are players losing to him today? ^^
He is like level skill from 2003+

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# 14Leikeze Jul 11 2021, 16:54 PM
The vast majority of players don't play the game with any intention to improve.

Beneath them are the minority that do.

Of that minority, you have an even smaller minority that have any time and idea of how to improve.

Of them, you have the few that achieve expert status.

If ZH had a larger playerbase, you'd have more experts, but we have never had a great number of players competing.

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# 15zhboring Jul 11 2021, 17:05 PM
QUOTE(Leikeze @ Jul 11 2021, 17:54 PM) *

The vast majority of players don't play the game with any intention to improve.

Beneath them are the minority that do.

Of that minority, you have an even smaller minority that have any time and idea of how to improve.

Of them, you have the few that achieve expert status.

If ZH had a larger playerbase, you'd have more experts, but we have never had a great number of players competing.


What about EA and Zero Hour remastered? bowdown.gif

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# 16-DoMiNaToR- Jul 11 2021, 17:11 PM
old experts would just adapt very quickly, the modern player would just teach the older players the meta and the experts would adapt and win after probably 1-2 games. That's what makes them expert, superior micro, intelligence, macro, builds


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# 17FiRe^ArM Jul 11 2021, 17:19 PM
Anyone in contact with old experts like Apollo, blind and karro?
Is there even a small possiblity of their comeback?

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# 18zhboring Jul 11 2021, 17:23 PM
QUOTE(FiRe^ArM @ Jul 11 2021, 18:19 PM) *

Anyone in contact with old experts like Apollo, blind and karro?
Is there even a small possiblity of their comeback?


Heard Google was contact with Blind, but not sure if real info.
I don't think Apollio will play Zero Hour, he was commentator in SC2, Audi comeback few games and he quit Zero Hour because meta change.

So if You want that old pros comeback, maybe we will need CCG2 or something like that.

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# 19MeRRy! Jul 11 2021, 18:09 PM
QUOTE(Leikeze @ Jul 11 2021, 18:58 PM) *

It takes expert players just a few games on a map to have it flushed out, especially with how straight forward mirrored-base maps are.

By the way, here's a very old list of top players.
Spalding mostly approved it at the time,



"People know Excal for 2 reasons. 1 For being an uber lame abuser."

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# 20Percocet Jul 11 2021, 19:11 PM
Damn y'all hating on muff. September 22- 30 in 2003 is the first week ZH came out. You think excal would still win lol?

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