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# 1S1Der Oct 13 2024, 12:23 PM
Dear Game Replays Staff

What is going on? Why is this year’s World Series’ commentary so lacking in variety?

Sure, you may turn round and ask who is this and what right does S1DeR have to comment on the 2024 World Series. Well as an observer of Zero Hour, I felt I needed to join Game Replays in order to express a view that the English speaking live steaming commentary of this year’s World Series has lacked variety and excitement. The games have been dominated by none other than Dominator, who may be technically brilliant but lacks charisma and animation in his commentary.

In fact domination is the word and this clearly has been his intent. By my calculations, Dominator has live streamed approximately 70% of the Round 1 – 3 games compared to other English speaking Streamers and I see that he has 75% of the Quarter Finals.

Indeed, on one of Dominator’s early streams, he was asked whether he was the official World Series Streamer. Is he? His reply was something along the lines of “probably because I’m doing most of them.”

A word of advice to Game Replays staff and next years’ host. Be honest in your World Series topics/posts. You put up 10 or 11 English speaking streamers. Where are they? How about considering this for next year. There are 32 games in Round 1 and 16 in Round 2. How about restricting streamers initially to a maximum of 5 live games in Round 1 and 3 live games in Round 2. This will give the smaller streamers an opportunity to flourish and demonstrate their abilities and to provide what I and several other fans see as much need variety in live streams.

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# 2~JoKeR~ Oct 13 2024, 13:18 PM
Hello, we do obviously appreciate any and every kind of proper feedback, and always endeavor to improve our flagship event each year. Whilst Pheonix (Lead WS Host) can answer you better. I will add my own answers to your concerns/questions since I was privy to alot of these conversations and decisions.

QUOTE(S1Der @ Oct 13 2024, 17:23 PM) *

Dear Game Replays Staff

What is going on? Why is this year’s World Series’ commentary so lacking in variety?

I do not exactly know how this conclusion was reached but from the facts available on public view, WS 2024 was easily one of the most diverse World Series ever with regard to streams/casts. As you can see here. There have been 9 streams in Arabic, 16 in Russian and all other games have been covered by multiple English-speaking streamers (more than one English cast for some games even). Furthermore, all sets from Ro16 onwards had a second language streamer and will continue to have so (unless lag constraints)

QUOTE(S1Der @ Oct 13 2024, 17:23 PM) *

Sure, you may turn round and ask who is this and what right does S1DeR have to comment on the 2024 World Series. Well as an observer of Zero Hour, I felt I needed to join Game Replays in order to express a view that the English speaking live steaming commentary of this year’s World Series has lacked variety and excitement. The games have been dominated by none other than Dominator, who may be technically brilliant but lacks charisma and animation in his commentary. In fact domination is the word and this clearly has been his intent. By my calculations, Dominator has live streamed approximately 70% of the Round 1 – 3 games compared to other English speaking Streamers

Your views regarding DoMiNaToR lacking charisma and animation is a personal opinion clearly not agreed to the 44.2k subscribers to his channel. Its simple logic that the the streamer with the biggest reach in the community gets to stream the biggest games, as to why he has streamed the most games, the answer to that is that he showed the most commitment to be available to stream those games. Round 1 & Round 2 did not have allocated streamers and was sort of a "Free for All". One may argue that some streamers like Alfie & DoMiNaToR were simply much more aggressive in contacting players and trying to stream their set. It is indeed an issue we have looked into for next year but even then, we have tried to facilitate any other streamers who may not feel comfortable or are even active enough to reach out to players in that manner. Piddox and AntiPro being prime examples and we saw some brilliant casting from them both. Another issue that arose this year was the fact that Xezon/Legionnaire were not interesting in casting the WS sets as they were busy with their own projects & ExCaL was busy with moving, so that is another reason why variety with regards to English streams probably feels a bit stretched thin.

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I see that he has 75% of the Quarter Finals.

That was not intentional. Originally the QFs were supposed to have 4 English streamers (AntiPro, Piddox, DoMiNaToR & AlfieAce) but unfortunately AlfieAce backed out and AntiPro was busy with the LAN therefore DoMiNaToR got 3 streams. But hopefully there should be variety in the next rounds with ExCaL set to do one Semi Final and AntiPro doing the third place (I think)

QUOTE(S1Der @ Oct 13 2024, 17:23 PM) *

Indeed, on one of Dominator’s early streams, he was asked whether he was the official World Series Streamer. Is he? His reply was something along the lines of “probably because I’m doing most of them.”

Probably not, since we have not discussed that biggrin.gif. But it goes without saying that we as GameReplays.org appreciate and support all streamers equally who have been streaming World Series 2024.

QUOTE(S1Der @ Oct 13 2024, 17:23 PM) *

Where are they?

This is a question that can be answered by only those streamers who you are referring to. Its not like we have stopped them from casting any sets. Some of them have different priorities with regards to their channel which is absolutely fair and up to them. All streamers who wanted to cast sets have been facilitated by us.

QUOTE(S1Der @ Oct 13 2024, 17:23 PM) *

How about considering this for next year. There are 32 games in Round 1 and 16 in Round 2. How about restricting streamers initially to a maximum of 5 live games in Round 1 and 3 live games in Round 2. This will give the smaller streamers an opportunity to flourish and demonstrate their abilities and to provide what I and several other fans see as much need variety in live streams.

That is not exactly a good solution but we have noted the general feedback as to the lack of variety in Round 1 & 2 and hopefully there will be a better mechanism next year.

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# 3Phoenix- Oct 13 2024, 13:43 PM
QUOTE(S1Der @ Oct 13 2024, 13:23 PM) *

Dear Game Replays Staff

What is going on? Why is this year’s World Series’ commentary so lacking in variety?

Sure, you may turn round and ask who is this and what right does S1DeR have to comment on the 2024 World Series. Well as an observer of Zero Hour, I felt I needed to join Game Replays in order to express a view that the English speaking live steaming commentary of this year’s World Series has lacked variety and excitement. The games have been dominated by none other than Dominator, who may be technically brilliant but lacks charisma and animation in his commentary.

In fact domination is the word and this clearly has been his intent. By my calculations, Dominator has live streamed approximately 70% of the Round 1 – 3 games compared to other English speaking Streamers and I see that he has 75% of the Quarter Finals.

Indeed, on one of Dominator’s early streams, he was asked whether he was the official World Series Streamer. Is he? His reply was something along the lines of “probably because I’m doing most of them.”

A word of advice to Game Replays staff and next years’ host. Be honest in your World Series topics/posts. You put up 10 or 11 English speaking streamers. Where are they? How about considering this for next year. There are 32 games in Round 1 and 16 in Round 2. How about restricting streamers initially to a maximum of 5 live games in Round 1 and 3 live games in Round 2. This will give the smaller streamers an opportunity to flourish and demonstrate their abilities and to provide what I and several other fans see as much need variety in live streams.


Hi,

Thanks for the message.

As I am responsible this year I may add some thoughts to your questions:

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What is going on? Why is this year’s World Series’ commentary so lacking in variety?



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Just a quick look at the Streambox is showing more streamers casting and streaming than ever before. I think we did a good job with that smile.gif


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Sure, you may turn round and ask who is this and what right does S1DeR have to comment on the 2024 World Series. Well as an observer of Zero Hour, I felt I needed to join Game Replays in order to express a view that the English speaking live steaming commentary of this year’s World Series has lacked variety and excitement


Oh, You are absolutely fine expressing your opinion. This is a website for games and discussions. Would be weird to not have different opinions.

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The games have been dominated by none other than Dominator, who may be technically brilliant but lacks charisma and animation in his commentary.


As this is a solely personal view I can only accept that opinion. I think his success and viewercount ( 1200 Viewers in a Quarterfinal!) are stating facts though. He is the biggest English speaking streamer for a reason.

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In fact domination is the word and this clearly has been his intent. By my calculations, Dominator has live streamed approximately 70% of the Round 1 – 3 games compared to other English speaking Streamers and I see that he has 75% of the Quarter Finals.


Other English streamers:

AlfieAce was supposed to stream one quarterfinal and the match for third place. He decided to quit due to his own reasons and stopped streaming for the World Series.

Ant1Pro was supposed to stream alongside him for third place and was supposed to stream another quarterfinal. Sadly he went to the Lan Outpost in the Netherlands and wasn't able to find the time so we had to shift that set.

Excal was supposed to stream more games including a Quarterfinal and Semifinal. He and his wife moved to another location so he even had to play his games earlier than anyone else since he wasn't at home.

Xezon was asked several times by me if he wants to stream. He said he is busy with Thyme and other projects.

Legionnaire is hosting the Lan tournament and was not interested.

So if you have concerns in that regard I suggest to message either one of them smile.gif

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How about considering this for next year. There are 32 games in Round 1 and 16 in Round 2. How about restricting streamers initially to a maximum of 5 live games in Round 1 and 3 live games in Round 2. This will give the smaller streamers an opportunity to flourish and demonstrate their abilities and to provide what I and several other fans see as much need variety in live streams.


This is not going to work.
Every streamer had a chance to cast even more games than most did. This goes for the arabic streamers, the russian speaking streamers and the english speaking streamers. Only a few have actually casted some games, most were only interested in streaming big sets.
Luckily with the World Series we found new upcoming streamers like Piddox and Blarstarcast who did an amazing job.

So in conclusion: I don't agree with you at all biggrin.gif But that is fine. Hope I have answered some of your questions.


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# 4-DoMiNaToR- Oct 13 2024, 14:12 PM
QUOTE(S1Der @ Oct 13 2024, 12:23 PM) *

Dear Game Replays Staff

What is going on? Why is this year’s World Series’ commentary so lacking in variety?

Sure, you may turn round and ask who is this and what right does S1DeR have to comment on the 2024 World Series. Well as an observer of Zero Hour, I felt I needed to join Game Replays in order to express a view that the English speaking live steaming commentary of this year’s World Series has lacked variety and excitement. The games have been dominated by none other than Dominator, who may be technically brilliant but lacks charisma and animation in his commentary.

In fact domination is the word and this clearly has been his intent. By my calculations, Dominator has live streamed approximately 70% of the Round 1 – 3 games compared to other English speaking Streamers and I see that he has 75% of the Quarter Finals.

Indeed, on one of Dominator’s early streams, he was asked whether he was the official World Series Streamer. Is he? His reply was something along the lines of “probably because I’m doing most of them.”

A word of advice to Game Replays staff and next years’ host. Be honest in your World Series topics/posts. You put up 10 or 11 English speaking streamers. Where are they? How about considering this for next year. There are 32 games in Round 1 and 16 in Round 2. How about restricting streamers initially to a maximum of 5 live games in Round 1 and 3 live games in Round 2. This will give the smaller streamers an opportunity to flourish and demonstrate their abilities and to provide what I and several other fans see as much need variety in live streams.


If you take a channel such as this: https://www.twitch.tv/esl_sc2

This channel is a one stop shop to watch SC2 tournaments. You can find all the games from a tournament there, in the same high quality, the schedule is made in advance, viewers know exactly where to be, what they are going to get, what time to be there, they know the commentators know what they're talking about and they know the quality will be top notch. You can find the same for other games too. You could find ESL SC2 on youtube and find a playlist and watch all the matches in high quality with ease: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff4VIghrTMg...kIqJtnbUnBSfl4F

Now imagine that same channel (ESL), but they only stream 1 of 16 matches. The other 15 matches are streamed by randoms, some of which are rank 9999999 on the ladder, some don't play at all, some installed the game 6 months ago, some have bad microphones, game sound is missing from some matches, some matches begin 25 minutes late, some dont know any build orders or what units counter what units, some buffer a lot and some streams just go offline mid-set. Viewers can no longer go to one place and find all matches, now it is much more difficult to locate all the matches. Viewers also become less in numbers and therefore overall reach to big companies (such as ASUS) is reduced. EA games see 120 viewers watching a semi final in poor quality and think yeah the game is dead like we thought.

Now I ask, which do you think is the better way forward?

I was here streaming Zero Hour on Twitch to about 20 viewers in 2015, when the game was actually dead and I've been here every year since. Last year a guy named GNX was "aggressive" and took the livestreams for most of the matches. He would arrange to cover matches way in advance before the players even passed round 1,2,3 and it prevented me from doing many streams. Instead I let him do it and I created videos of every match instead (with some streams). Now I ask, where is GNX? Did his channel not explode after streaming some WS matches like he (and a lot of others) hoped? ahhhh.... did he realise that actually it's more about putting out regular, high quality content, knowing what you're talking about, being a good player and just generally more than streaming a few WS matches and then disappearing?

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# 5~JoKeR~ Oct 13 2024, 15:18 PM
QUOTE(-DoMiNaToR- @ Oct 13 2024, 19:12 PM) *

Last year a guy named GNX was "aggressive" and took the livestreams for most of the matches. He would arrange to cover matches way in advance before the players even passed round 1,2,3 and it prevented me from doing many streams. Instead I let him do it and I created videos of every match instead (with some streams). Now I ask, where is GNX? Did his channel not explode after streaming some WS matches like he (and a lot of others) hoped? ahhhh.... did he realise that actually it's more about putting out regular, high quality content, knowing what you're talking about, being a good player and just generally more than streaming a few WS matches and then disappearing?

Whilst I do not condone that behavior (and trust me it has not only been him but quite a few others over the last few years) but its quite unfair to characterize him as "streaming a few WS matches and then disappearing". GNX used to be really helpful in streaming sets which other big streamers would usually refrain from (fair enough to them, not everyone want to see two semi's battling it out). But he was one of the ones because of whom many smaller tournaments like Semi WS, Dual Army Tournament, Winter Classic(s) and those sort of tournaments were streamed.

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# 6xezon Oct 13 2024, 17:30 PM
Zero Hour video presentations came a long way over the years. In 2010+ there were almost no videos all year long. And if then their quality was horrendous. I still think there is huge room for improvement, especially on the technical side.

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# 7GNX Oct 13 2024, 19:43 PM
QUOTE(-DoMiNaToR- @ Oct 13 2024, 14:12 PM) *


I was here streaming Zero Hour on Twitch to about 20 viewers in 2015, when the game was actually dead and I've been here every year since. Last year a guy named GNX was "aggressive" and took the livestreams for most of the matches. He would arrange to cover matches way in advance before the players even passed round 1,2,3 and it prevented me from doing many streams. Instead I let him do it and I created videos of every match instead (with some streams). Now I ask, where is GNX? Did his channel not explode after streaming some WS matches like he (and a lot of others) hoped? ahhhh.... did he realise that actually it's more about putting out regular, high quality content, knowing what you're talking about, being a good player and just generally more than streaming a few WS matches and then disappearing?


lol says the guy who creates a group all the time in discord without asking players and says ''im gonna stream ur games'' last world series and I'm the agressive one? Also calling me a guy named GNX like a random guy is just pathetic from you if you think how much effort and time I've put on streaming.I've helped people thanks to this game, did 10 hours streams,covered a lot of streams which you would never do.Cause besides your random followers, the real zh community and players know what you are, you are a money beggar and you only care about your channel so you wouldnt do any semi streams or charity streams I assume.Btw where is the clanwar site you have promised and collected money from people?

Also I didnt quit streaming cause my channel wasnt exploding or something, I just simply have no time.(not everyone lifeless like you) but you can keep dreaming through zero hour you are gonna be Mr.Beast soon:D

Last thing I would be appreciated If you stop mentioning my name,I know you have to mention someone and make bonus through people, like you have been doing with Fargo's name for years to get subs etc and to be funny but seriously you can do it buddy I believe in you!

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# 8-DoMiNaToR- Oct 13 2024, 19:49 PM
QUOTE(GNX @ Oct 13 2024, 19:43 PM) *

Also calling me a guy named GNX like a random guy is just pathetic


I say a guy named GNX because this poster has probs never heard of you. Since it looks like you quit a year ago, you might be random to him.


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# 9xezon Oct 13 2024, 19:57 PM
I tuned into Dominator Stream today and the day before for several minutes and presentation was very good. I recommend everyone takes this as inspiration for their own presentations:

* 4K video upload

* Pure focus on game, event, players and match action

* No donation bar, no subscriber popups, no distractions

* Post game interview

* Optimal view on game world with Control Bar Pro and best graphics settings

* Clean audio, with optimal volume balance of speech + game effects + music

This is how you do it and viewers will come.

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# 10--POPO-- Oct 13 2024, 20:03 PM
To be honest the only streamers that deserves world series final and semi final castings are dominator and legionnaire. They contributed a lot to this game through streaming. Any random streamer is doing good but they can't match their consistency. I can also start streaming and ask to stream some crucial tournament matches but it would be rude of me to ask for this, when people who cared for game and are doing consistently willing to stream.
Finally since dominator is now becoming a professional streamer I expect him to answer comments more professionally then any other random player criticizing.

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# 11Phoenix- Oct 13 2024, 20:09 PM
After this epic set with 1700 viewers and flawless presentation I think we can just say: Well done wink.gif

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# 12MoJo_JoJo Oct 13 2024, 20:19 PM
QUOTE(-DoMiNaToR- @ Oct 13 2024, 14:12 PM) *

If you take a channel such as this: https://www.twitch.tv/esl_sc2

This channel is a one stop shop to watch SC2 tournaments. You can find all the games from a tournament there, in the same high quality, the schedule is made in advance, viewers know exactly where to be, what they are going to get, what time to be there, they know the commentators know what they're talking about and they know the quality will be top notch. You can find the same for other games too. You could find ESL SC2 on youtube and find a playlist and watch all the matches in high quality with ease: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff4VIghrTMg...kIqJtnbUnBSfl4F

Now imagine that same channel (ESL), but they only stream 1 of 16 matches. The other 15 matches are streamed by randoms, some of which are rank 9999999 on the ladder, some don't play at all, some installed the game 6 months ago, some have bad microphones, game sound is missing from some matches, some matches begin 25 minutes late, some dont know any build orders or what units counter what units, some buffer a lot and some streams just go offline mid-set. Viewers can no longer go to one place and find all matches, now it is much more difficult to locate all the matches. Viewers also become less in numbers and therefore overall reach to big companies (such as ASUS) is reduced. EA games see 120 viewers watching a semi final in poor quality and think yeah the game is dead like we thought.

Now I ask, which do you think is the better way forward?

I was here streaming Zero Hour on Twitch to about 20 viewers in 2015, when the game was actually dead and I've been here every year since. Last year a guy named GNX was "aggressive" and took the livestreams for most of the matches. He would arrange to cover matches way in advance before the players even passed round 1,2,3 and it prevented me from doing many streams. Instead I let him do it and I created videos of every match instead (with some streams). Now I ask, where is GNX? Did his channel not explode after streaming some WS matches like he (and a lot of others) hoped? ahhhh.... did he realise that actually it's more about putting out regular, high quality content, knowing what you're talking about, being a good player and just generally more than streaming a few WS matches and then disappearing?

Very good post, not everyone should be able to stream the games

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# 13-BiG^FraNk^ Oct 13 2024, 20:19 PM
QUOTE(GNX @ Oct 13 2024, 19:43 PM) *

lol says the guy who creates a group all the time in discord without asking players and says ''im gonna stream ur games'' last world series and I'm the agressive one? Also calling me a guy named GNX like a random guy is just pathetic from you if you think how much effort and time I've put on streaming.I've helped people thanks to this game, did 10 hours streams,covered a lot of streams which you would never do.Cause besides your random followers, the real zh community and players know what you are, you are a money beggar and you only care about your channel so you wouldnt do any semi streams or charity streams I assume.Btw where is the clanwar site you have promised and collected money from people?

Also I didnt quit streaming cause my channel wasnt exploding or something, I just simply have no time.(not everyone lifeless like you) but you can keep dreaming through zero hour you are gonna be Mr.Beast soon:D

Last thing I would be appreciated If you stop mentioning my name,I know you have to mention someone and make bonus through people, like you have been doing with Fargo's name for years to get subs etc and to be funny but seriously you can do it buddy I believe in you!

Why u just come to cry?

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# 14-Prokilla' Oct 13 2024, 20:25 PM
QUOTE(-BiG^FraNk^ @ Oct 13 2024, 12:19 PM) *

Why u just come to cry?

He came on here to address things being said about him, where's the problem with that ?

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# 15-NickName Oct 13 2024, 20:36 PM
How did I end up as GR supporter? huh.gif

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# 16OoE-ExCaL^ Oct 13 2024, 22:15 PM
I’ve done less than planned due to being busy. Legi declined any I believe. I personally find Domi stream TOP NOTCH. Streamer preference can be subjective so fair enough

Early rounds got added to 500 groups but been smooth since round of 16.


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# 17Madara Oct 14 2024, 07:44 AM
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I’ve done less than planned due to being busy. Legi declined any I believe. I personally find Domi stream TOP NOTCH. Streamer preference can be subjective so fair enough

Early rounds got added to 500 groups but been smooth since round of 16.

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# 18`ApeX- Oct 14 2024, 07:50 AM
World series announcement part 27

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# 19Herb Oct 14 2024, 07:57 AM
You know I used to have a bit of a dislike for domi but now I realise (and it's taken years), that he is pretty much the excal of ZH streaming. There is no comparison when it comes to a high quality stream. We are lucky as a community to have this available to us. Solid level expert player who knows what he's talking about and puts out consistently high quality content.

If there is anyone who gets a pass to stream all game types it should be dominator, by default

To whoever says that his end goal is to become something like MrBeast is sadly mistaken. He only has 44k subs after years of effort and hard work, that shows dedication to the community and most of all, the fact that he is not a sell out. I think it would be great if he branched out into something bigger and better; which I'm sure he could do, but that would be a heavy loss to the ZH community which I think he serves.

I think whoever says dominator should not be the go to streamer either have some beef or have a bit of delusion going on

Sure there has been some drama in the past and ZH is probably the most toxic / drama filled game there is.. but that's just the nature of the game and people have to deal with it

BS topic

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# 20-DoMiNaToR- Oct 14 2024, 08:43 AM
Thanks for all the positive comments smile.gif

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