Printable Version of Topic

Posted by: Budwise Nov 23 2008, 19:30 PM

Hey fellas, I'll start out with some handy linkage to Reborn Ventrilo.

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=216773

I hope you have a mic as it makes this much easier.

For now, just give me some quick ideas of what you want out of this. What faction do you play most or want to work on most? What faction gives you the most problems playing against? What skill level are you? 1v1's or team games?

Feel free to post up replays here so I can go over them. When you post the replays, give me some details about what you think went wrong or right in the game. Ask questions about strats or something, dont just post replays with no text or information please.

Lets git er done.

PS- Here is some good reading from several mentor sessions ago. Compliments of 12azor and 13lade.

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=373427&st=0&p=4574215&#entry4574215

Posted by: Prodromus Nov 23 2008, 20:22 PM

Hi there,
I do have a mic, so that's not a problem. My basic info:
I'm on the east coast of the US (GMT-5) and I usually play in the 9pm-1am timeframe (early afternoon on weekends though). I'm mainly interested in getting help with the vanilla factions, I'm lvl 8 US and 7 Wehr. I play 1v1 and 2v2 but I'm probably more interested in 1v1 help right since the people I play 2v2 with don't really have time for mentoring. I can certainly use some help vs. the OF factions- I've been checking out some replays recently on that front but haven't had much chance to try new stuff out so I'll post some replays soon.

I haven't been playing much coh the last couple of weeks (left 4 dead is sweet) but I'm ready to get back in and work on my game.

Posted by: Malgoroth Nov 24 2008, 09:33 AM

I was really really looking forward to this.... but an unexpected move will probably keep me from the internet for a few days. Hopefully not to long however since I've been geeking out over this for the last week.

I'm a level 8 Wehr and PE player. I dabble with the allied factions but mostly I stick with the axis. It's something I need to work on. I do have a mic and I am usually on (when I have internet) during the 9pm-3am stretch. My biggest problem is my macro. I lose sight of the big picture to much it seems. More so in 2v2s where all the activity distracts the shit out of me... but I'm down for some schooling in both 1v1s and 2v2s.

And like I said... I'm going to try to get my internet up and running as soon as humanly possible. Violently if need be.

Posted by: Budwise Nov 24 2008, 16:19 PM

sounds good guys. Lets get some replays and some games going. If you guys are up for it, play each other. Its easier for me to do shoutcasts on games than sit and review them in detail with writing so for most games expect me to do an educational shoutcast instead of a written review. This way you can go back, rewatch your game, and see what I see as it unfolds.

Posted by: Prodromus Nov 24 2008, 18:01 PM

Ok cool, my ladder name on RO is the same as here: Prodromus. What do you go by Malgoroth? Hopefully we can get friended up and play some practice games when you get your internet back up.

In the meantime I'll try to post a few replays.

Posted by: Budwise Nov 24 2008, 21:36 PM

my RO names are BudwiseReborn and TherapistFor500. Friend request me and I can play a few most nights.

Posted by: Malgoroth Nov 25 2008, 22:42 PM

I'm on as LordMalgoroth or TheGoatlord.



My cable 'company' (I use the term loosely. Mostly I think it's a couple of dirty goblins in a basement flipping switches) says the earliest they can hook my internet back up is NEXT thursday. As in the 4th of December. Something tells me they are a bunch of filthy, lazy, butt pirates... But there's my ETA for you

I am more than a little dissapointed, but still very much looking forward to playing some games eventually.

Posted by: Budwise Nov 26 2008, 04:49 AM

no problem man, see you on thursday.

Posted by: Prodromus Nov 27 2008, 03:49 AM

I've only had time for a couple quick games so far this week and they ended up as fairly easy wins so no replays from me yet. I'll get some good gaming time this weekend though- I hope to play a lot on Friday so I should have some replays to post and maybe I'll see you on.

Posted by: Prodromus Nov 29 2008, 01:56 AM

Ok, I got my buttocks handed to me a couple times today. Even the games I won today weren't pretty, maybe I'm rusty or perhaps I just forgot how much I suck. I felt like I wasn't thinking deeply enough about what I was doing, like I was just going through the motions. Anyway, on both games it seemed that I lost early battles by getting flanked and then was never really able to recover. I think I need to start the game with a more defined idea of what I want to do, like tier 2 terror or what not.


On this game, I think I made the wrong decision to go left. Once things went badly I didn't pick a definitive strategy and stick with it, I was too scattered with my efforts I think. Also, I should have made a more concerted effort to tech up earlier, that would have helped a lot I think. I could really use some advice about how/where to set up MGs for effective arcs of fire and how best to protect my flanks. A medic bunker would have been useful here too.

	owned_on_ango-_wehr.rec
	Size: 277.17k
	Number of downloads: 60
	Player Name	Side	Team
	PrivatePOUP		1
	Prodromus		2

In this game I thought things were going ok at the very beginning but then as soon as I got a bunker up- in came a massive flank with flamers and bars and that was pretty much gg. When I get pushed off the map like that I have a lot of trouble coming back- I could use some tips on how to deal with early setbacks. I know you can't always bring it back but I felt lost after that happened and wasn't sure what to do.

	loss-langre-wehr.rec
	Size: 340.26k
	Number of downloads: 57
	Player Name	Side	Team
	JUNI0R		1
	Prodromus		2

These guys were both higher level than I am so I need to figure out how to play in their league if I want to move up. I'm curious about your general approach to a game budwise. I know that improvising and changing things on the fly is part of the game, but how specific of a strat do you have layed out when the game starts? Do you have standard openings on the various maps?

Posted by: Budwise Nov 29 2008, 03:28 AM

Yea, you had several CP in both games but didnt ever make a decision. If reinforcing from a bunker, touching on T2 for a bit and moving to T4 and using For the Fatherland for its massive defensive bonuses sounds good then go Defensive. If you dont plan on making it to T4 and just want to get alot of vetted Grens with mortar and pak support until a KT then go terror. You can of course mix it up a bit but thats the general idea. As I mention in the audio clips, get your MG into the fight whenever its possible. Dont leave them sitting back as a defensive unit UNLESS you plan to lure rifles into it. Predicting a flank just takes practice. Pointing MG's in the complete same direction is counter productive. Use their wide arcs of fire to create large nets of MG fire for rifles to fall prey too. Point one MG one way and the other a little off another direction where a flank may be coming. You can also have your 2nd MG not set up but just standing there and when you see the flank coming you then point it. Anyway, there is plenty of potential here for better play so keep at it.


Attached File(s)

	vsPrivatePOUP.mp3
	Size: 11.71mb
	Number of downloads: 86

	vsJunior.mp3
	Size: 13.04mb
	Number of downloads: 96

Posted by: Prodromus Nov 29 2008, 23:44 PM

Cool, thanks for the shoutcasts-it's helpful to have your comments as I'm rewatching the replay. I have some very definite ideas of specific things to work on now.


Edit:

Ok, I won my first 3 today pretty easily and then lost a couple bad ones. I really suck as wehrmacht. Ok, here is a loss vs. a WSC start on sturz. Yes, you read that correctly- I lost to a WSC start. I had to wait a while to post it because I was so livid this would have been nothing but expletives. Once again I think the lesson is unit preservation. I lost my first sniper because I too aggressive with it and my ostwind as well- I didn't see the AT gun. His snipers and airborne gave me problems all game.

	vs._sdf1.rec
	Size: 324.37k
	Number of downloads: 57
	Player Name	Side	Team
	sdf1		1
	Prodromus		2

Here's one I lost on Semois, I picked a bad house for my first MG and it didn't get into the first battle. Things went downhill from there. I probably should have gone for the sides and just kept my bridge open when it became clear I wasn't going to be successful in the middle. I was losing too many units and got AT out too slowly and the M8 owned me. I lost a schreck squad attacking ground to blow up an M8 mine- thought I was further away from it.

	loss-semois.rec
	Size: 206.58k
	Number of downloads: 61
	Player Name	Side	Team
	ICanRideMyBike		1
	Prodromus		2

On the plus side, in my sole US game today I had a nice win vs. a decent PE player, so I was pumped about that.

Posted by: Budwise Dec 2 2008, 05:08 AM

Here's the thread documenting "The Struggle" to get lvl 10 in 1v1's. I never tried ranking up 1v1 since I've always been more of a team player so its been fun. There are some good replays in there against lvl 9-10's.

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=402962&st=0

I'll do some shoutcasts on those two games tomorrow most likely. Sorry to not stop to talk today when you were online, I was on a streak so I figured i should roll with it 80 slots left to lvl 10 Americans and then I can focus on Wehr and PE.

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 2 2008, 06:00 AM

Oh yeah, don't worry about it- good luck with level 10. I only had time for a couple quick games tonight- but they were wins! I've got a 5 streak on US right now. I'll watch those replays in the other thread- hopefully I'll be competing with that caliber of player eventually.


'Grats on hitting 10!

Posted by: Budwise Dec 6 2008, 02:39 AM

I'll get the shoutcast up over the weekend at some point. Its my Bday tomorrow though so no telling what's going on

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 6 2008, 07:17 AM

No worries man, enjoy your birthday instead of shoutcasting- I can wait a while.

No new replays- I managed to hit level 8 on wehr yesterday. Hopefully I won't lose it, I plan to get some games in tomorrow so I'll have some replays and strategy questions up by the end of the weekend.

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 6 2008, 23:34 PM

Here's a question for you- I've seen you using the 4ES in some of your replays and the current rotw has it as well. What is the best way to counter it as wehr (or PE for that matter)? I ran up against it today and won, but only because my opponent wasn't all that good.

What are the tactics/strategies I should be using when I see that my opponent is going with that strat?

Edit:
I'm also interested in trying the 4ES myself, do you know if there is a guide for it on GR?

Posted by: Budwise Dec 7 2008, 18:18 PM

Here's what you are looking for.

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=374888

To counter it is pretty tough as PE. Inf HT rush their base and dont let them tech is one option. P4 Rush is another option. Luft always helps because of the cloaked ketten for the snipers.

As Wehr its simply a minesweeper, a bike, and a sniper with better micro that your opponent.

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 9 2008, 04:24 AM

Ok, I tried 4ES for the first time tonight. I made a lot of mistakes, but I think some of it will come with practice. My opponent wasn't particularly good (well, he beat me) but was pretty experienced- level 9 with a 1300-1300 record.
It was on semois, and I forgot to get mines down. I know it's central to the strat but I just didn't think about it until about 10 seconds before I needed them which was of course too late. I didn't scout enough and so didn't see his OP on fuel, so the first ostwind really pushed me back. I stayed in some fights I probably should have retreated from and I should have gotten an AT gun out earlier- that really would have turned things I think. I also wasn't doing enough nuisance capping. All-in-all lots of mistakes, but it was fun to try something new so I think I'll keep playing around with it. It should improve my sniper micro if nothing else. I'd appreciate any critiques you have.

Thanks for the link to the guide. Here's a general question for you, and it may be hard to answer, but I feel as if I have trouble prioritizing what to do. How do you decided how to allocate your troops (between capping, fighting on the main front, fighting a lone unit/mg somewhere)? Is that just experience? I think I have a tendency to spread my troops too thin- doing too many things at once.

	4es-tonypnho.rec
	Size: 396.15k
	Number of downloads: 57
	Player Name	Side	Team
	Prodromus		1
	tonypnho		2

Posted by: Budwise Dec 9 2008, 16:23 PM

yea, 4ES on Semois in general doesnt work too well. I'll watch it tonight though.

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 9 2008, 18:10 PM

ah, I see. So the best maps for it are what? Angoville, langres, maybe wrecked train?

Posted by: Budwise Dec 12 2008, 02:58 AM

Langres and Wrecked are the best. Ango is kinda tough imo.

Posted by: Budwise Dec 12 2008, 14:34 PM

finally got my PC Reformatted and CoH reinstalled last night so hopefully those shoutcast reviews will be done in short order.

Here's a game against LoanShark, an applicant to Reborn that wanted a game last despite my sleepiness . Shows good flanking and use of nades.


Attached File(s)

	vsloanshark.rec
	Size: 386.84k
	Number of downloads: 22
	Player Name	Side	Team
	BudwiseReborn		1
	Loanshark		2

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 12 2008, 17:33 PM

Cool, I'll give it a watch.

I'm 0-3 with the 4ES strat so far. In fact, I lost it to one your clan mates- GreviousReborn- the other day. So I'm thinking that I will lay off it for a while and play my normal game during the mentor program so that I can get help with my normal mistakes instead of adding in more unfamiliar territory.

Posted by: Budwise Dec 12 2008, 19:12 PM

Grevious is a wannabe and is not in Reborn.

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 12 2008, 21:58 PM

Oh, haha-seriously? I didn't realize. Well then, nevermind.



Edit:
Loss to a brit here. I generally try to get an MG down on their HQ truck along with some flamers early. I think I took too long and wasn't focused enough early on. Also went T2 then blitz because I thought I needed cloak for the emplacements. I didn't have the Muni income to fund schrecks on them though. Anyway, here it is.

	brits.rec
	Size: 332.06k
	Number of downloads: 18
	Player Name	Side	Team
	casperuk1980		1
	Prodromus		2

Posted by: Budwise Dec 13 2008, 23:57 PM

finally got the one on Sturz done. The other will come soon.


Attached File(s)

	Sturz.mp3
	Size: 13.01mb
	Number of downloads: 16

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 15 2008, 21:45 PM

Thanks for the shoutcast. I think I'm definitely improving my game, bit by bit. I've been doing much better at dodging nades lately. I'm definitely learning from your reviews, I think it's just a matter of making these things habits.

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 17 2008, 05:12 AM

So I hit level 9 tonight with wehr. I know, you're trying to figure out how that's possible. Well, I got matched with a level 12 US player and somehow managed to pull out a win because he went armor company and didn't seem to be playing all that hard. Anyway, I don't know if I'll just lose and drop back down but I was pumped.

Posted by: Budwise Dec 18 2008, 02:13 AM

you tell me and dont post the replay???

Congrats!

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 18 2008, 20:42 PM

Well, I was all pumped to continue my meteoric rise up the ladder but I have now been struck with internet problems at home. My internet just went out last night with no warning. Comcast is supposed to come fix it but they aren't in a super hurry and I'm leaving town for the holidays soon and won't have access to a CoH-capable computer during that time. So I may be done playing CoH until after Christmas unless my internet manages to fix itself. I'll update here if the situation changes.

Posted by: Budwise Dec 22 2008, 00:08 AM

GL with the internet problem

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 28 2008, 19:39 PM

Ok, I'm back in town and my internet is working. I don't know how much longer the mentor program lasts but hopefully I can get a few more replays up before then.

Edit: Don't know if it was me or relic today but I had a hell of a time getting on and when I did, I had a lot of trouble getting matched. Hopefully I'll have more luck tomorrow.

Posted by: Budwise Dec 30 2008, 05:23 AM

gittem up

Posted by: Prodromus Dec 31 2008, 01:20 AM

Alright, I've been playing some US tonight and I had a lot of trouble this game. He totally cut me off from fuel so I couldn't get a quick M8 as I'd hoped and I didn't have enough CP to get airborne until it was basically over. Usually it seems PE blob their grens around and I can spread out and outcap them until I get enough fuel for an M8, but he had a couple small groups here. I probably should have grouped my stuff up so I could actually stand a chance in a firefight. I might should have gotten a WSC a bit faster? He claimed at the end that he was lvl 15 on another profile, who knows if that's true? Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you'd give me some tips on this game. (Yeah, at the end I was sloppy with squads)

	need_fuel.rec
	Size: 181.93k
	Number of downloads: 14
	Player Name	Side	Team
	Prodromus		1
	XGfmRommelX		2

Posted by: Budwise Jan 3 2009, 08:55 AM

Well, this is the typical Link0 strat and its REALLY hard to counter. The main thing that killed you was you went for the right side and let him take that building at your strat point. That building is so PE friendly its insane. G43's simply rape anything that gets near. My suggestion would be pick a side and push it hard. You let him chase down lone rifles over and over. Instead you need to keep your rifles all bunched up and do the same to him. If its a fight you'll lose, then retreat immediately. Flamers are great to disperse the PE blob as well like you did. Perhaps wire off the area in front of that building at your strat point so he cant hop in so easy. Capitalize on the fact that PE capping power sucks. Run your rifles around in a blob and when he stops with individual squads to cap then bum rush. Force him off the field before he gets G43's on every squad.

Don't feel bad about this one. PE vs US is the most imbalanced matchup in the game and this guy knows how to exploit it to the fullest.

PS- 4ES on a map like Langres or Wrecked Train rapes Link0's strat if done right.

Here's a replay of my smurf vs a lvl 10 PE to make your feel better 4ES ftw


Attached File(s)

	asdf.rec
	Size: 304.5k
	Number of downloads: 20
	Player Name	Side	Team
	IPlayForDrophacking		1
	theReaper69		2

Posted by: Prodromus Jan 3 2009, 17:56 PM

Ok, thanks for the tips- I'll try to implement those next time. I'll take a look at that replay now.

I'd play some games but I can't log into relic online. It just sits at the loading screen. I don't know if it's because relic is super busy and the server is bogged down or if the problem is on my end but I've had this problem several times since I've been back from the holidays and it's pissing me off.

Posted by: Budwise Jan 3 2009, 20:11 PM

Its Relic...

Posted by: Prodromus Jan 6 2009, 03:20 AM

Well, I was finally able to play some automatch tonight for the first time in 2009. I only had time for a couple games because I have to be up early tomorrow but I went 2-0 and my second win was vs. a lvl 10 wehr with a good record so I felt good about it.

I've improved my unit preservation which has really helped my game- but until you pointed that out for me I was aware I needed to do it but just didn't realize how bad I was about it. I'm also doing better at dodging nades.

What is your standard strat vs. PE? Do you automatically go 4ES if it's a decent map for it?

Edit: I hit lvl 9 US tonight! I'm currently on a 5 win streak- woot.

Posted by: Budwise Jan 8 2009, 02:55 AM

if im not doing 4ES then I do a standard rifle stall. 4 Rifles to MP. If you smell T4 then go AT gun first, if you smell T3 then go M8 first followed by AT gun then another M8.

Posted by: Prodromus Jan 10 2009, 21:09 PM

Ok, just had a loss vs. another PE player. Well, he gave me the win at the end because he was a smurf, although I don't think that's necessary at my level. I made some mistakes for sure, I saw he was building T4 and was too aggressive with my M8. I should have canceled it and gone AT gun but I was a bit distracted during this game unfortunately.
I have this question though: If I go M8 and only after it's out realize he went T4, how do I use it effectively? His G43s were pushing me around pretty badly. Do I just keep it behind my troops trying to pick his men off (a quad might have served me well here)? Or use it elsewhere to harass single squads where I don't think he'll have an AT halftrack?
I also sucked at squad preservation this game, I was having some trouble prioritizing my attention.
Oh, one more thing, do you do anything special if he goes 2x Ket? Maybe I should have gotten a jeep when I saw that?

	langres-pe.rec
	Size: 297.87k
	Number of downloads: 13
	Player Name	Side	Team
	Prodromus		1
	MarylouIsWhoilove		2

Posted by: Budwise Jan 13 2009, 14:42 PM

I will have a look.

Posted by: Budwise Feb 3 2009, 18:16 PM

ive been off and on lately. Post some more replays if you got any that give you trouble. PM me in game if you want to get some games going

Posted by: Prodromus Feb 12 2009, 21:49 PM

Ok cool- I've been really busy at work recently but things are calming down a bit now it seems so I should have some time to actually play- hopefully I'll see you on and we can get a few games in.

Posted by: Prodromus Mar 25 2009, 02:50 AM

Ok, standard list of excuses: haven't played much 1v1 lately, haven't played Wehr in literally months, first time with strategy. Also, I kinda suck. Anyway, I made a lot of mistakes here but if you had time to go over it and offer a few tips that would be great. I never got a med bunker up and had terrible sniper micro. Which resulted in map control issues. I had low fuel and muni income- I'd appreciate tips on how I should have spent what I had. At times I felt a bit paralyzed- do I go for another squad of Storms w/ schrek or do I upgun the puma? Etc.

	rough.rec
	Size: 416.6k
	Number of downloads: 11
	Player Name	Side	Team
	Wulkuere		1
	Prodromus		2

Edit: I played the strat again right after this and got a win- it went much better the second time around, less floating manpower, better micro. I'm still knocking some rust off though.

Posted by: Budwise Mar 25 2009, 20:05 PM

ill take a look tonight. The Strat is very different compared to others and timing is very important.

If you havent watched the 2 replays against the lvl 11's you should as it will give you an idea of the timing. It took me a few games to really get comfortable with it but now its easy and fluid. I usually go 1-2 Pumas lately and rarely get a Stug since shrekked Storms are so good. By the time they may have something to counter the Puma/s that your Storms cant already handle your T4 should be building or already built. Dont get stuck in T3 whatever you do. Its a stop gap to T4 and is only really effective because of the dual snipers to eliminate the Elite Inf that usually counter T3 so easily.

Posted by: Budwise Mar 26 2009, 02:28 AM

ok, your problems for the most part are very simple. As Wehr on Ango you need to focus on one side and the best side to focus on is the left. Its nice and open and allow you to openly micro your MG's without having buildings around to flank behind and hop into by rifles. Your goal should be to dominate the left side and lock down until the snipers arrive. Once they arrive you should be getting T3 and a Puma soon. The snipers will be your shock unit #1 that will throw him off. Dont attempt to switch sides and cut off your opponent yet unless hes a complete noob. Your army is too small in comparison to make the switch without being a a huge risk of being overrun and loosing squads like you did. Once you see BAR's you know your golden because he just used up a good chunk of fuel and will have no counter immediately to a Puma. Play conservative until the Puma arrives, THEN switch sides with your Puma leading the way backed up by snipers in case Rangers or Airborne show up. This moment is where your defensive posture becomes super offensive. Cut off his fuel to slow his teching and use the Puma and snipers to take over map control. Get Storms with Shreks and keep them cloaked unless Armor comes. DO NOT engage Rangers or BAR'd rifles with Storms let alone double shrekked ones.

Summary:
1) Pick one side and dominate it
2) Squad preservation is a must
3) when the Snipers come is when you start the manpower drain on him. Keep conservative with them until the Pumas roll out though. Keep Volks nearby your snipers in case you need a faust for a Jeep. If he goes WSC or Rifle upgrade heavy you will rape him if you keep your arms combined and microd well. Your worst fear is a really fast M8 but an M8 can be scared off easily until you are ready for it with a T3 unit/Storms.

Posted by: Prodromus Mar 30 2009, 05:50 AM

Thanks for the replay review- I've played a couple more matches since and am doing better with it thanks to your insights. I'm hoping to play quite a bit when the patch comes out so I'll keep you apprised of my progress.

Posted by: ^BLack~HoLe Apr 3 2009, 02:03 AM

I'm mal's old mentor, pm his ass to start playing