Printable Version of Topic

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 13 2005, 02:54 AM

EA has bought the rights to lord of the rings books and new-lines series, so no other company can sell games for PROFIT.

So we need to start a non-profit organization that, when we find a game that is unsatisfactory, we make a new one just like it but better and release the game as Freeware, and since we aren't making a profit off of it, they can't sue us and they strive to make better games so that we won't attempt to out-do them.

And they could also donate to us and we'd take that into consideration when we decided which next game we will release as freeware in order to keep the standards of gaming up and preventing total monopolization as EA is doing with football after ESPN tried to compete with them (they bought the rights)

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 13 2005, 03:22 AM

Yeah... They have WAY too much money.

Posted by: Arctic_Aurora Sep 13 2005, 03:41 AM

Ya hear that Blizzard? No other companies can sell games for profit. Shut down now


Making games just like other ones would probably catch on some copyright issues. Just because you aren't making money doesn't mena you can't be sued...

EA's doing what it should as a company to make money, and now they're working towards customer support. As long as things are changing, there's no need to keep the Mr. Negative card out all the time.

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 13 2005, 03:49 AM

Well to tell the truth life is just one big bowl of negativity soup.

Posted by: MathKing87 Sep 13 2005, 03:54 AM

Then here's a big vegetable chunk: never in a million years would you find enough people who actually have the ability, desire, and time to make these games in your proposed non-profit organization. The very fact that you proposed the idea makes me wonder if you are even capable of the programming skill needed. Even if you did manage to scrounge up a few really good programmers, EA has way more and they will be spitting out games faster than you can revise them. BFME 2 will be coming out soon. Hopefully it will be good, but if it isn't and you decide to rip it off, by the time you're done, EA will have already released several new games.

Posted by: Arctic_Aurora Sep 13 2005, 04:01 AM

If BfME is so screwed up - then first make your own 1.03 Mod, perhaps including some animation changes. Just try. I'm betting you have no clue about the work involved, and as Math said - for no profit of any sort, you surely must be joking.

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 13 2005, 04:32 AM

pfff all the big-wigs like to donate for tax relief we're just another cause.

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 13 2005, 05:05 AM

Well just the fact that EA can pay all those people who go all around the world and what ever to talk about games and spend time with people like just shows that they have way too much money to frivorously spend.

Its kind of double sided. As it is good for us to get what we want from them, but on the other side they are just being whores for money and want to please their audience to gain a larger profit.

Posted by: MathKing87 Sep 13 2005, 06:18 AM

"they are just being whores for money and want to please their audience to gain a larger profit."

YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! IT IS WRONG FOR ANY BUSINESS TO TRY TO MAKE MONEY!!! BUSINESSES ARE SO EVIL!!! DOWN WITH BUSINESS!!! DOWN WITH GOVERNMENT!!! DOWN WITH EA!!!

fool

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 13 2005, 07:05 AM

Ummm No? You don't see any competition. You will never see a Sega sports game ever for like 10 years because EA bought out everything. They are limiting the gaming community to what they make, which for the most part is alot of poor quality shit. They release many buggy, glitchy and unfinished products then release thousands of expansions to fix the previous game and add in hardly any new material.

Its one thing to do smart business. Look at Valve... or Epic games.. they create amazing games, are they whores? No. The point is that WITH ALL THEIR MONEY, we should be expecting better products, not better customer service.

I mean look at Battlefield 2... Game had great potential... but the Mod version of 1942 Desert Combat (which is what battlefield 2 was based off of, a mod made by people who didn't earn a cent off it) ok.. the Mod version is more balanced, realistic and more fun to play over all. Why? EA pushed DICE and completely eliminated the original modders who created DC and made the game so newb friendly that any one could master anything. Thus they are making games simple, and whoring themselves out just to satisfy a larger audience, rather than experienced gamers such as what most of this community is made up of.

Don't act like an idiot.

Gaming is a form of Media now. Do you go see crappy movies and then feel like you wasted your time, money and life by watching it? Same deal. Gaming used to be done for the spirit of it and the progression of the art. EA is only sodomizing it with about 85% of their shitty incomplete games.

Posted by: Daemonette Sep 13 2005, 09:49 AM

There is nothing actually wrong with trying to make a profit. Whilst I agree that making too much profit at the expense of little people is morally dubious the fact that someone might be trying to make some money back in excess of their outlay is nothing I find morally questionable. Using words like 'whore for money' are implying that you find any kind of profit making to be wrong. And wanting to please their audience for money is what entertainment is all about isn't it?

It used to be fashionable in interviews about a decade ago to never ever say that you wanted to do a job because you wanted to be paid highly for doing it. You always had to say that you only did a job because you loved doing it no matter what the financial reward. Luckily, most of business has moved on and it is not not evil to say that you do a job because you like getting paid for it but you also have to say that you find the job interesting and love doing it. Pragmatism and realism is the key. EA are trying to make a profit. If you don't want them to then don't contribute to it by buying their games.

Posted by: AgmLauncher Sep 13 2005, 14:14 PM

Posted by: J.T. Sep 13 2005, 16:36 PM

And someone should get him a nice glass of shut the hell up!

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 13 2005, 16:45 PM

I get what your saying Daemonette

But its just that EA has done too much in the past, which is why I am so agressive and pessimistic toward them.

And trying to please the audience differs in certain situations.. I mean look at 1.02.. it was so blatantly obvious that they where trying to suck on someones phallus by listening to a single community, then actually putting that material into the game. Listen to them or not, how could they let such a big problem become apart of the game? These guys would have accepted advice from some one who was having an epileptic seizure.

I find it better for companies to compete, because then they actually have a reason to better their games. But when you eliminate the competition.. (like what EA has done for the NFL and now the LOTR) it lowers their standards and they don't need to out compete another game. Thats what pisses me off most about EA. Why do they buy out other people or get liscences? To make money, not to make games.

Posted by: Phoenix Rising Sep 13 2005, 18:43 PM

I have nothing gainst EA or any other gaming company. They make games.

If I like a game, regardless of who made it, I get it.
If I don't, I don't. Simple as that. For me at least.

Posted by: FLC|Ranganz Sep 13 2005, 19:24 PM

Well Arctic, if making one patch was so hard, look at blizzard, the have already made like 18 patches

Patches dont make profit, but sequels do. So EA went to make a sequel instead of patching....

Posted by: HeartBreakOne Sep 13 2005, 19:36 PM

BFME is in the scrapyard, not saying its a pwnage game but it does get repetative way too much so instead of just adding more and more junk to it there making awhole new game not only for money but to spice things up a little bit, think of it as getting the same birthday present every year now would people look forward for that, no so in that perspective BFME 2 is a new irthday preasent that unfoutnatly costs another $49.99

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 13 2005, 19:48 PM

JT if you have a problem, keep it to yourself and let it build up on the inside til it becomes too much until you commit suicide and do the human race a favor.

Posted by: NeoN Sep 13 2005, 20:38 PM

truesilver that is really fucked up man you should never say that to somebody even though it is over a computer

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 13 2005, 20:42 PM

No? maybe i should bake him some cookies with a smiley face on them for telling me to shutup... Anyways I don't think he expected me NOT to make a remark like that and I don't care who you are if you wanna fight w/ with me you better kill me because if you start some shit and im still alive after then you bet your ass im coming for you.

Posted by: jukuja Sep 13 2005, 21:31 PM

right on daemon.i totally agree with you.so daemon's summary is that if u dont like their games then stfu and cry on another site but not here.this world is so messed up.cant you peeps learn manners?cussing gives u a bad reputation in public and plus if u cant be nice to someone then stfu.cant you people learn how to ignore peeps and not talk $h*+.besides showing that your civilized tells other people that they should be more civilized and plus people would get along better.

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 13 2005, 21:51 PM

So in other words keeping your mouth shut, being a coward, and not voicing your opinion on how a good gaming company should be handled... makes you civilized?

Using the space bar makes you civilized as well

Posted by: Blaapie Sep 13 2005, 22:15 PM

Its like Windows vs Linux

Its like Atari vs PSP2

Im not the greatest EA fan however i still buy there games. And so do you. If you dont like it, dont buy it. Or just be silent and play the game.

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 13 2005, 22:19 PM

I do like lotr and since EA owns the rights to it, what other lotr game can i play? not many choices there so obviously im going to complain and whine so they will notice that they are doing something wrong and need to show us some ACTION instead of just saying they are changing.

Posted by: meekleball Sep 13 2005, 22:36 PM

no offense thegreatdegwin but all i think he means is ...sure ... go ahead. voice your opinion. but you dont need to swear to do so. you can do it without all the language.

if i wanted to hear swearing i'd listen to rap music.

cant spell crap without rap

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 13 2005, 23:04 PM

Windows and Linux where competing? Huh...

Im not a fan of linux's interface and I found it unstable... better for ftp servers and such..

Posted by: NeoN Sep 14 2005, 00:00 AM

i just have the boring windows xp sp2

Posted by: Arctic_Aurora Sep 14 2005, 00:04 AM

I'm fully aware of that. I'm not saying either position is right. I'm confident EA is changing, and i see steps they are taking. Granted, for us, it'll never be fast enough. I love patches as much as the next person, but i certainly wouldn't join TrueSilver's camp either.

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 14 2005, 00:50 AM

Arctic you wouldnt even join my camp for some... stale ice cream?

Posted by: JDCreborn Sep 14 2005, 03:17 AM

arguing is pointless...

Posted by: NeoN Sep 14 2005, 03:19 AM

arguing gets thing done in more exciting ways

Posted by: Daemonette Sep 14 2005, 11:35 AM

Actually I thought that using 's' instead of 'z' in words like civilised marks you out as civilised. (Time for tiffin anyone? )

I am far from suggesting that debate should not be free on this site. Probably the reason why EA are balancing the game now, if a bit belatedly, is because of feedback similar to that coming from this site. We have a reputation for being more rational and thoughful and more balanced in our opinions than others who had major input into patch 1.02 so we have proved ourselves to be reliable sources of suggestion and self regulating to a very large extent and I am happy to see anyone express an opinion. We have good moderators and admins who keep a very close eye on us and keep us on the straight and narrow. The fact that this thread has not been locked shows that the moderators also have a lot of common sense in letting all of us get this type of thing out of our systems when we need to. Everyone is running a bit hot at the moment in anticipation of patch 1.03 and getting hungry for it.

What I do think is unacceptable is to try to assert that EA are 'whores to profit' because it is like saying that kids are 'whores to school' or I am 'a whore to the company who pays my wages'. In a this expression is making a perfectly reasonable and rational concept look evil. Kids generally live for school for most of their early lives and there is little time for things that aren't connected to school or learning in some way. Using the phrase 'whore to school' turns the concept on its head . I have no option but to work to fund my wife <cough>, I mean lifestyle and if EA want to stay in the business of making games then they have to make a profit. Saying that they are 'whores to profit' is a little immotive. I bet most people wouln't want to get enough income just to cover their usual monthly outgoings. We all want that little bit more. Don't try to convince me that someone doesn't want that bit more money than they already have - I have a hard time believing it. Like I have a hard time believeing that altruism actually exists.

However, it is true to say that profit motivates EA and I think that this is a good thing, not a bad thing. If people don't like the games that they produce then they don't get bought and all of the investment is wasted. The license for which EA have just forked over a lot of money needs recouping and if they don't produce the goods then that is money down the drain and EA will pay for their mistake. They have no choice but to produce what you want to play or the money goes down the drain. In that way, perhaps unfairly, I could describe EA as 'whores to you'.

What you really need to worry about is 'who is the pimp'?

Posted by: natey14 Sep 14 2005, 11:59 AM

LOL EA buys everything. EA IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!! =0 Lol get used to it, its just like microsoft buying rareware DANGT!!!!! Perfect Dark was supposed to come out for gamecube!!! I HATE YOU MICROSOFT

Posted by: Agente de Mousse Sep 14 2005, 12:31 PM

true silver: presumably you bought the game? Where did your money come from and what did you do to earn it?

Who sold EA the rights; NewLine or Paul Zaentz? Where did they in turn buy the rights from? Ahs it worked (financially) for them?

I'd genuinely be ineterested to see your responeses.

x

Posted by: L0rdElr0nd Sep 14 2005, 15:03 PM

is activison perfect? is rockstar games perfect?? no company or living being is perfect.. also businesses need to make a profit.. if bfme didnt sell as well, i wouldnt have lost to someone on qm a few min ago, i wouldnt be posting here etc.. everyone compares something to something else because we wouldnt know which is right! think of it like this.. if there was no wrong, how would we know what we were doing is right? in this case ea are trying to make customer support better for everyone so you can enjoy this game even thought some people find that there customer service is crap(they listen tou you and in a few months its gets better, then you moan again about it and they change it again) .. 2 wrongs make a right people and ea are on there way to getting great customer service

oh yea... survival of the fitess.. microsoft brought rareware cuz they were not good enough.. like adidas buying out reebok

you know how patches come out? (in a quick simple step) btw i dont know if this is right for this game but it normally applies though

1 you buy game
2 ea gets large sale amounts.. owners say well done
3 large amount of people playing onlin, good reviews, everyones happy.. ea owners happy
4 bugs found.. online community complains ea owners not that happy
5 ea owners and game creators make patch
6 patch out.. people happy again
7 more bugs.. people not happy again
8 new patch people happy
9 new bugs people not happy
10 new patch etc....


see what i mean? play the game even though its imbalanced/not patched/bugged etc and it will get fixed.. think i said eariler 2 wrongs make a right?

Posted by: Arctic_Aurora Sep 14 2005, 16:29 PM

If EA's the AntiChrist, you better run for cover because now they're gonna hunt you down and steal your soul. Really.. ffs.. don't be stupid.

The larger the company, the larger the problems. Smaller companies have smaller problems, if only because their games are less widely known and played, and there' less people to raise holy hell in forums.

EA's not perfect, but it's doing a decent+ job.

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 14 2005, 20:05 PM

No no no, u cannot compare EA to rockstar... Rockstar owns EA, its like crazy ownage.

And just wondering, how does EA buying nfl's rights for games have anything to do with adidas buying out reebok


Agente De Mousse :

I bought the game with money printed at a U.S. Mint and it came out of my bank account, and how it got in there is Section 13 classified.

NewLine sold rights based off of PJ's lotr series and i assume Paul Zaentz sold them the book rights. If hadn't worked financially for BFME, would they be making a sequel?

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 14 2005, 20:16 PM

Kids don't cheapen the value of school when they go... do they?




1. EA releases a rushed product to make holiday sales
2. People realize the game is flawed.
3. In a desperate attempt to keep customers EA listens to about any one and creates 1.02.
4. So when you do get the chance to play the game after 15 net coding conflicts and out of sync you get to see how unbalanced the game is
5. EA takes an unnesissary amount of time to fix the shit they took on BFME.

Posted by: Daemonette Sep 14 2005, 22:03 PM

That's not what I said nor do I believe that EA has done it. Would you really prefer that EA had never made BFME and would never intend to make BFME2. Did you not see the game before you bought it? Who spends their money on buying something on spec nowadays? If you don't like it so much then I should imagine that you never play it and never intend to purchase BFME2. What I suspect is the reality is that you are blowing off steam and still love the game and are glad that it was made. Hell, I feel like that.

I don't subscribe to the opinion that EA cheapened the franchise when they made BFME. Sure there were/are some monumental problems but I am waiting for them to fix their problems and make amends. I will judge them on that, long term not short.

Posted by: [KD]Gandelf90 Sep 14 2005, 22:46 PM

thats it i have had enough (i think EA sucks personall opininon) compared to other companies such as blizzard. I am leaving BFME until EA fixes if u wana play with me or wutever i will be on WoW pm for more deatails... may come back to see patch 1.03 if there is one >_>

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 15 2005, 00:23 AM

Yes actually, Because then i wouldn't have had to have gone through all these headaches when dealing with this games NAT/Firewall issues.

Im talking about EA cheapening gaming in general. Not just BFME.

I like/play the game only because some of my buddies are into it. Once something better comes out I will be off of BFME faster than you know it.


What are you talking about? Long term not short? Its been like... I don't know how long since 1.02 released. And there are so many other games that EA made which where just horrible and trying to milk a market (Battlefield Vietnam, Battlefield 2, And now anything that has to do with LOTR). Since LOTR has the exclusive rights to it, you will only see things from their vision or point of view.

That is just complete and utter bullshit.

Something as great , beautiful and as expansive as LOTR should NEVER be monopolized by a company with gaming standards like EA.

Posted by: TrueSilver Sep 15 2005, 01:02 AM

Yes, LOTR is too great for EA.

I mean lotr is the 2nd most read book in the 20th century, only surpassed by the bible.

I think, however great peter jacksons movie may or may not have been that it should have never been made. It's just not possible to translate the greatness onto a movie screen.

Posted by: Arctic_Aurora Sep 15 2005, 05:12 AM

It's coming shortly... Just hang in there like we all are. High hopes



That's kinda rediculous... kinda like suggesting Freedom is too great for the USA (or any country).

Facts on second statement?

From the get-go PJ said it was a fans interpretation for other fans. Love it or hate it, when you read the books (or atleast me) when i read about Faramir, i see Faramir from the film. The movie was a masterpiece. The problem is that it was trying to do justice to a great literary work, and by Tolkien purist standards, it failed. I'm an average LotR fan, and i loved it thru and thru.

Posted by: |elder|SandmanX Sep 15 2005, 05:43 AM

Come on... you can't hold the movies to such a high standard. It was simply impossible to cram that much into a movie. The extendeds were each at least 3 and a half hours, and they STILL left out a ton! You have to realize the limitations of the film medium (mostly time length in this case) and come to the conclusion that they really couldn't have done that much better in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 15 2005, 07:16 AM

How is that statement rediculous? Holding a god damn monopoly on LOTR is rediculous. You won't see any other games. Only what EA sees fit. Wow how sweet is that.

Movies are also a different form of media. I thought it was the best way the movie could have been presented in a logical way. If you made the movie word for word what the book was, it would be horrible.

Posted by: Fugunther Sep 15 2005, 14:52 PM

http://office.freenet.de/messages/rte/smileys/40029.gif
http://office.freenet.de/messages/rte/smileys/40029.gif
sorry for spam i just wanted to test if the smileys of another webpage work, seems they dont
plz feel free to erase this post everytime u want to

Posted by: Agente de Mousse Sep 15 2005, 22:49 PM

From everything i read, they didn't make their bank managers smile with the receipts from this product. Their prolly trying to claw back as many bucks as they can by extending the franchise as much as possible whilst keeping changes (and therefore the cost base) relatively minor (hence using same engine etc) to break even or into the black.

your best means of punishing them (if that's what you want to do) is not to buy another product. Personally I llok at it this way: last time i had a look at my player profile I'd played the game for something like 18 days, so the cost to me of a £40 game per hour is pretty good value and getting better all the time.

My major frustration is that for whatever reason I just can't get to play online, but, despite this and the other flaws, I don't feel cheated.

good luck on the tax evasion

Posted by: |elder|SandmanX Sep 16 2005, 00:10 AM

[edit]

I like this one:

Posted by: NeoN Sep 16 2005, 00:11 AM

how do you make the other smileys?

Posted by: ~AoA~thegreatdegwin Sep 16 2005, 01:45 AM

Yeah.. thats a shock core from UT2004... Uberness

Posted by: Arctic_Aurora Sep 16 2005, 03:26 AM

Ofcourse the film medium is limited. It's called time and money, of which neither is bottomless. For all that went into it, it's still one of the best damn films i've ever seen or likely will see. Sure they left out a lot. Who wouldn't to have wanted to see things much more elongated.. but then it would have been a mini-series, not a movie. If all of it was at that level of quality, i'd have bought a lot more footage if it had been released or filmed.



If LOTR is too good for EA, then it's too good for everybody. Make it untouchable or open to anyone, make your mind up.



Use IMG tags. They're below and to the left of the Font dropdown menu.