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Posted by: Flamzypants Dec 8 2006, 21:03 PM

^^ i was bored so i thought I'd give it a go recording me playing the piano.

Before you listen know that i played without the music, lost it and the printer has since run out of ink.
My piano has been out of tune for about 3 years now.
This pc does not tolerate recordings of any kind, i did my best to clear up the noise but theres still a fair amount ^^

Anyone else play anything biggrin.gif?

Attached File 1_07_vamoallaflamenco.zip
Size: 1.08mb
Number of downloads: 18
Player Name Side Team
Flamzypants 1


The song is Vamo alla flamenco from final fantasy 9 wink.gif

I stopped playing the piano 3 years ago when i got to grade 5, had to stop for school and i never really practised much so i just grab music from games i like and play them instead ^^ - Ill add a couple more songs later i can't really play much, i sorta restarted playing a couple weeks ago wub.gif

Posted by: PopeofCuba Dec 9 2006, 04:51 AM

What the hell is this?

Posted by: StefanDeath Dec 9 2006, 08:02 AM

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Dec 8 2006, 10:03 PM) *

The song is Vamo alla flamenco from final fantasy 9 wink.gif

Oh no, not that one frusty.gif

Posted by: R3mix3r Dec 9 2006, 14:30 PM

flamzy







you SUCK!

happy.gif


R3mix3r

Posted by: Flamzypants Dec 9 2006, 15:31 PM

biggrin.gif i edited the attatchment because i was bored <3 BTW Im back on my PC!!!!!!!!!!111111oneelevenonehunderdandeleven the gfx card was the culprit, i put in my old one and its all working again ^^ i cant play zh well but im ok to go on my older games like cs for the time being, im happy

Posted by: StefanDeath Dec 9 2006, 16:51 PM

QUOTE(R3mix3r @ Dec 9 2006, 03:30 PM) *

R3mix3r
you SUCK!

happy.gif
R3mix3r

100% agreed biggrin.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Dec 10 2006, 01:14 AM

I can play BASS guitar tongue.gif

Posted by: MEXICANBROTHER2 Dec 10 2006, 02:49 AM

I play Bass and Electric ohmy.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Dec 10 2006, 04:32 AM

I used to play lead, but I didn't like it as much as bass tongue.gif

Posted by: PopeofCuba Dec 10 2006, 04:53 AM

Well, I can tap pencils on my pop cans to make a funny sound.

Posted by: Eternity` Dec 10 2006, 09:41 AM

I personally don't play any instruments, but my mate plays Lead and another plays Bass, I think they are formulating a band next year biggrin.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Dec 10 2006, 11:00 AM

What the hell is a "pop" can?

Posted by: Flamzypants Dec 10 2006, 12:51 PM

can of drink ^^ silly pope

Posted by: Flamzypants Oct 26 2007, 09:03 AM

Aha! BUMP

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hOTdmA8A3j0&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hOTdmA8A3j0&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

wub.gif My latest pretty sounding thing, it's actually good compared to what I posted when I first started playing again smile.gif That old song is something I could just sight read now biggrin.gif

Someone has to tell me how to embed videos dry.gif Here ya go.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOTdmA8A3j0

Posted by: Sm34g0l Oct 26 2007, 09:09 AM

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Oct 26 2007, 10:03 AM) *

Someone has to tell me how to embed videos dry.gif Here ya go.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOTdmA8A3j0

Use youtube tags, and put the bit after the '=' in the youtube link in the address.

CODE
[youtube]hOTdmA8A3j0[/youtube]


Hope you get what I mean tongue.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Oct 26 2007, 09:29 AM



Thanks smile.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Oct 26 2007, 12:18 PM

OMFG nice bump tongue.gif

Nice work too smile.gif

Posted by: AlGajda Nov 17 2007, 12:47 PM

LOOOOOOOL ...good job smile.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Dec 11 2007, 21:22 PM



Anyone played Sonic The Hedgehog 2 on the Sega? drol.gif I must have been about 6/7 when I first started gaming on it happy.gif

Posted by: StefanDeath Dec 12 2007, 07:04 AM

Oh noes, not another bump tongue.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Dec 12 2007, 13:16 PM

lol... what's that? Helmet cam? laugh.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Dec 12 2007, 17:09 PM

Ahem, read the description on the actual YouYube page and prepare to be amazed biggrin.gif

If you click on menu it gives the url.

Posted by: StarTrekker Dec 13 2007, 03:23 AM

Ahem, if you expect people to know about the titles on youtube pages, you shouldn't make the video inlaid... piano boy tongue.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Dec 13 2007, 16:24 PM

My jaw hurt after that post-13661-1143531603.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Dec 14 2007, 03:15 AM

Pianist-cam.

Careful how you say that.

Posted by: StefanDeath Dec 14 2007, 15:00 PM

Cam sex? Where?






tongue.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Dec 14 2007, 17:30 PM

It sounds like Penis-Cam!!

laugh.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Jan 26 2008, 18:04 PM

Update biggrin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoQWu3tXG_k


Posted by: StefanDeath Jan 27 2008, 15:00 PM

No more Penis Cams please sad.gif sad.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Jan 28 2008, 01:21 AM

Ignore SuckanDeath. He's only trying to be funny, but as usual, he fails miserably at it.

You are good at the piano flamzy. I can only wish about being able to do that. You must have to practice a lot for that kind of thing to become "fluent".

Posted by: StefanDeath Jan 28 2008, 18:00 PM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Jan 28 2008, 02:21 AM) *

Ignore SuckanDeath. He's only trying to be funny, but as usual, he fails miserably at it.

Gdiaf.

Still these forums are too quiet, so is this whole clan though. Try to beat this biggrin.gif

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-10016-1201285914.jpg

Posted by: Flamzypants Jan 28 2008, 18:15 PM

My bet is that you don't know half of them happy.gif It takes a long time in the number of weeks etc that you learn a piece. But in reality that one took me about 6 hours in total. I just don't have the time or patience really, to spend a whole day sitting down practising post-13661-1143531603.gif

Posted by: StefanDeath Jan 28 2008, 19:58 PM

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Jan 28 2008, 19:15 PM) *

My bet is that you don't know half of them happy.gif

My bet is that you wouldn't know them either if they change their name everyday (or 2 days) and it doesn't change in the comm sleep.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Jan 28 2008, 21:35 PM

Crack the whip Mr clan leader tongue.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Jan 29 2008, 00:28 AM

No sense. If people don't want to play, then that's that. I'm included so I'm not going to try to force them to tongue.gif

QUOTE(StefanDeath @ Jan 29 2008, 04:30 AM) *
Gdiaf.

Still these forums are too quiet, so is this whole clan though. Try to beat this biggrin.gif

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-10016-1201285914.jpg

Nice picture.

Hamachi, Limewire. I smell a pirate.

Posted by: StefanDeath Jan 29 2008, 13:17 PM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Jan 29 2008, 01:28 AM) *

Hamachi, Limewire. I smell a pirate.

I only use Hamachi when I can't connect to other players at ZH. I have had a time where I just couldn't connect to anyone and with hamachi it worked fine. So stfu about the hamachi part since I use that for legal stuff only, but the other shit tongue.gif Anyway the only 2 games I don't have legal are FF7 and FF8, but I had them for my PS. the FF7 discs broke and same goes for FF8 (I have bought FF8 3 times by now) wacko.gif

Why do you look at those small details anyway? Hardly anyone does....

Posted by: Flamzypants Jan 29 2008, 21:23 PM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Jan 29 2008, 00:28 AM) *
No sense. If people don't want to play, then that's that. I'm included so I'm not going to try to force them to tongue.gif
Nice picture.

Hamachi, Limewire. I smell a pirate.


Pirates need boats not silly computer programs!! pirate.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Jan 30 2008, 13:23 PM

You're a pirate SD! tongue.gif

I always notice those type of things tongue.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Jan 30 2008, 15:47 PM

Non-profit sharing of DvDs isn't illegal. Why is downloading again??

Posted by: Fusion. Jan 30 2008, 16:25 PM

Pirating music wub.gif

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-30537-1201407452.jpg

Posted by: Flamzypants Jan 30 2008, 17:04 PM

Wow that's quite a bit ohmy.gif I've only got 5gb myself. Still, I've got 260gb of TV & Movies drol.gif

Posted by: StefanDeath Jan 30 2008, 19:21 PM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Jan 30 2008, 14:23 PM) *

You're a pirate SD! tongue.gif

I always notice those type of things tongue.gif

Music and movies yes, games no tongue.gif

Got around the 50 gb on movies and around the 30 gb music tongue.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Jan 31 2008, 02:40 AM

Ummmmmmmmmmm. You guys are all shocking pirates. pirate.gif

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Jan 31 2008, 02:17 AM) *
Non-profit sharing of DvDs isn't illegal.

Yes it is. Do you even READ the anti-piracy messages? You can be sued up to $200,000 (I think) for individuals and more for businesses.

And Fusion, get some variety in your music man wacko.gif

Posted by: StefanDeath Jan 31 2008, 15:52 PM

Nah, in the Netherlands is everything legal tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: Flamzypants Jan 31 2008, 16:13 PM

There are anti-piracy messages!?!? WTF, I just saw the little clip saying you wouldn't steal a car....Well I wouldn't happy.gif But something that you could access and record from your TV legally, should be available to download.

Posted by: Fusion. Jan 31 2008, 16:50 PM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Jan 30 2008, 21:40 PM) *

And Fusion, get some variety in your music man wacko.gif

Thank god you can see my entire discography rolleyes.gif

3 Inches of Blood, Blind Guardian, The Clash, Ramones, Machine Head, Led Zepplin, Edguy, Ensiferum, Hammerfall, Helloween, Iced Earth, Iron Maiden, Pantera, The Nightwatchmen, and rage against the Machine, for starters.


Yeah, no variety whatsoever. thum.gif

Posted by: Sparky Jan 31 2008, 16:58 PM

^ StarTrekker meant with no variety that you only have music that sucks.

QUOTE(StefanDeath @ Jan 31 2008, 16:52 PM) *

Nah, in the Netherlands is everything legal tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

I believe this is somewhat correct even.
Downloading of mp3 files on the internet is legal here. I read in a newspaper or something that music stores should come up with something original to make sales instead of fighting the ghosts on the internet, because they don't have anything to whine about there anyway.

I doubt that this applies for games and other software though, but the point that even though it may be illegal, they don't have the resources to catch even 1% of the offenders, still stands.

Law isn't as concrete as you guys make it out to be. Only stating that something isn't allowed isn't law; there has to be a way to do something against it for it to be.

Posted by: Fusion. Jan 31 2008, 17:53 PM

Ah. Still wrong.

Posted by: Sparky Feb 1 2008, 00:18 AM

Haha, I doubt he really meant that.

Posted by: -LuCiFeR- Feb 1 2008, 00:19 AM

QUOTE(Sparky @ Feb 1 2008, 01:18 AM) *

Haha, I doubt he really meant that.


though u left ? tongue.gif

Posted by: Sparky Feb 1 2008, 00:29 AM

Didn't I?

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 1 2008, 02:43 AM

Hi Sparky smile.gif

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Feb 1 2008, 02:43 AM) *
There are anti-piracy messages!?!? WTF, I just saw the little clip saying you wouldn't steal a car....Well I wouldn't happy.gif But something that you could access and record from your TV legally, should be available to download.

Actually, you can't record TV shows legally either. There's a copyright on that too. It's as commonplace as you like to do it, but the law actually says you can't do that.

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 1 2008, 03:20 AM) *
Thank god you can see my entire discography rolleyes.gif

3 Inches of Blood, Blind Guardian, The Clash, Ramones, Machine Head, Led Zepplin, Edguy, Ensiferum, Hammerfall, Helloween, Iced Earth, Iron Maiden, Pantera, The Nightwatchmen, and rage against the Machine, for starters.
Yeah, no variety whatsoever. thum.gif

I mean in music style ya twit. All them are the same thing... as far as I can tell. Where is the funky stuff, dance music, alternative, R&B... etc... nup, just heavy rock / death metal. No variety whatsoever.

When you get older perhaps you'll understand that there is more to music than drums, electric guitars and boringly predictable "shock lyrics".

Variety is a good thing wink.gif
QUOTE(Sparky @ Feb 1 2008, 03:28 AM) *
^ StarTrekker meant with no variety that you only have music that sucks.

That too happy.gif

QUOTE(Sparky @ Feb 1 2008, 03:28 AM) *
I believe this is somewhat correct even.
Downloading of mp3 files on the internet is legal here. I read in a newspaper or something that music stores should come up with something original to make sales instead of fighting the ghosts on the internet, because they don't have anything to whine about there anyway.

I doubt that this applies for games and other software though, but the point that even though it may be illegal, they don't have the resources to catch even 1% of the offenders, still stands.

Law isn't as concrete as you guys make it out to be. Only stating that something isn't allowed isn't law; there has to be a way to do something against it for it to be.

Yup... I have heard that. I am taking into account that Flamzy in in the UK. Their laws are almost identical to our laws and so I was referring to that.

Stupid world really. We should all have one system of law that applies to all imo. But that leads to the New World Order or whatever it's called and that can be a terribly bad thing too, if it is misused... and it would be.

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 1 2008, 04:29 AM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Jan 31 2008, 21:43 PM) *

I mean in music style ya twit. All them are the same thing... as far as I can tell. Where is the funky stuff, dance music, alternative, R&B... etc... nup, just heavy rock / death metal. No variety whatsoever.

When you get older perhaps you'll understand that there is more to music than drums, electric guitars and boringly predictable "shock lyrics".

Variety is a good thing wink.gif

wow. Yes, all metal is just drums, electric guitars, and shock lyrics. Honestly dude, stfu about music you don't understand. That's like saying all rap is about killing cops, all dance music is about doing meth/acid, etc.


Yeah, god damn shock lyrics!. Also, many of the bands use keyboards, etc. Let's just see how limited my tastes are then.

Classic Rock - Led Zeppelin
Power Metal - Sabaton, Iced Earth, Edguy, etc
Groove Metal - Machine Head
Alternative Rock - Rage Against the Machine
Hip Hop - KRS One
Folk Rock -The Nightwatchmen
Punk - The Clash
Viking Metal - Ensiferum
NWOBHM - Iron Maiden
Oriental Metal - Orphaned Land
Industrial - Rammstein


You seem far, far too smart to simply stereotype an ENTIRE GENRE into that clump. There's more to metal that simply screaming and shock lyrics.

When you get older perhaps you'll understand that there is more to music than boring, empty lyrics.

QUOTE

Can you hear their cries?
Nowhere can the children run to hide
Crimson rivers

Flow down the hills
Atone our ills
And woe to all her songs of love

A farewell to arms

Mutilated lives
Blackening as coffin line the sides
Filled with fathers

Who has won?
When only sons
Hold their grieving heads and mourn

A farewell to arms

Always our souls entwine
Erase this vast divide
Deaf ears our voices rest
Tyrant, this is protest

Who has won?
Yes, who has won?

[Chorus:]
I’ll wave this flag of white
So the venged see the light
We’ll pay for closed eyes
With our genocide

Piercing the masquerade
March to the death parade
Trade no humanity
For pearls of the slavery

In the depth of mind the heart will I find
The truth of our leader
We’ll try the facts so through the cracks
May fall the lying cheater

Who has won when we’re all dead?

[Chorus]

So is this how we live?
Or is this how we die?

Black blood dripping from platinum fangs
Rich blood flees while
Our poverty hangs

Shepherds they herd the mindless trance
As the flock follows the puppet’s dance
In a fatal romance

[Solo: Demmel]

All that they needed was
A pretext, war’s next
Heads to the chopping blocks
And our necks are next
For those we died
Who fought for our rights
Whose children now slaves
They’re turning in their graves

War hawks and senators
They sit tight, so trite
Never their sons will know
What it’s like to fight
But soldiers are dead
And children have bled
And the silence is numb
What have we become?

God save us

A farewell to Arms


Yeah, all god damn shock lyrics that have no meaning.

Posted by: Sparky Feb 1 2008, 10:05 AM

Seriously Chris, if one would talk about anything but music and mock you there, you would have shrugged it off. Yet when someone even only slightly touches your music tastes you explode. Why?

Actually it seems like a specific breed of people who grow larger by the minute post-13661-1143531603.gif Can't be good.

Posted by: k1ll3r Feb 1 2008, 12:58 PM

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Yet when someone even only slightly touches your music tastes you explode


Perhaps he cares more for his music than his ZH skills or w/e?

Posted by: Yumi Feb 1 2008, 13:03 PM

Stereotypes exist, deal with them.

I listen to indie bands who apparently all sound exactly the same according to most people here sad.gif

By the way I'd never pay to download music as I'd prefer to have a decent backup if something goes wrong with the file for some reason, but I never download albums I can buy in a shop somewhere. Never downloaded a film either, might as well wait 6 months then get it for 7 or cheaper in Tesco/HMV/wherever sells it cheapest at that time biggrin.gif

Posted by: Sparky Feb 1 2008, 14:13 PM

QUOTE(k1ll3r @ Feb 1 2008, 13:58 PM) *

Perhaps he cares more for his music than his ZH skills or w/e?

What do you mean?

Posted by: k1ll3r Feb 1 2008, 14:37 PM

Well, it's hard to explain further but: if someone was to insult a member of your family, it would be worse than if someone said you were a crap ZH player wouldn't it?

Posted by: Sparky Feb 1 2008, 14:43 PM

Of course, but music is a taste. It's a personal thing, comparing two people with different music tastes is like comparing apples to pears, it doesn't work and provokes endless and pointless discussions.
You can't prove that your music taste is good, it's an opinion based on preference. You can prove that you're good at ZH though because it's a fact based on a standard.
Hence why I made the comment about finding it weird how people think they should feel offended defend such things which can't be done, especially when other things that can be taken personal, such as ZH skills, are just shrugged off.

Posted by: k1ll3r Feb 1 2008, 14:44 PM

Yes but ST said that there was no variety in Fusions music which there clearly is.

Posted by: Sparky Feb 1 2008, 14:48 PM

That's an opinion as well. For StarTrekker it's all the same and it is his good right to have such an opinion. It's just a pointless discussion if anything.

Posted by: k1ll3r Feb 1 2008, 14:50 PM

Yes but he didn't say it sounded the same to him, he said it WAS the same. Maybe I care too much for the little things but then again, I'm entitled to my own inference tongue.gif

Posted by: I AM SUPER COOL LOL Feb 1 2008, 15:54 PM

Please tell me what music I should listen too as well wise Star Trekker.

Posted by: Sparky Feb 1 2008, 16:48 PM

How provoking.

I wouldn't want to be in a music-discussion with you, it's mind narrowing.

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 1 2008, 17:57 PM

QUOTE(Sparky @ Feb 1 2008, 05:05 AM) *

Seriously Chris, if one would talk about anything but music and mock you there, you would have shrugged it off. Yet when someone even only slightly touches your music tastes you explode. Why?

Actually it seems like a specific breed of people who grow larger by the minute post-13661-1143531603.gif Can't be good.

It's generally more of the fact that this is common ignorance that I've heard about my musical tastes from every member of my family, as well as multiple times at school. Generally, yeah, I'll have np with it. For people who are like, 12 and have no concept of music aside from Soulja Boy, alright, yeah it's a big jump from Crank Dat to Into the Battle by Ensiferum. But when it's a ~40 year old admin on a site stereotyping that badly, yeah, I do get a little annoyed.

Hardly "exploded", anyway. Just opinted out how he was wrong smile.gif

edit: There's no way any sane person can say that the first video and the second video are the same and have no variety.




The first is KRS One/Last Emperor/Zack De La Rocka - CIA. Second one is Blind Guardian - Battlefield. There's no way you can say that they are the exact same and have no variety.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 1 2008, 19:15 PM

Go ST biggrin.gif Piss off some people and we get more activity here!!

I think all heavy metal etc sucks balls because you can't even hear what the guy is saying. Waste of time imo. I don't really listen to mainstream music either. Too much effort and people expect you to know the names of every single song/artist and what the different types of music are dry.gif Give me something that's not some guy on a guitar playing a few notes over and over while pretending to sing and I'll be happy. Or classical, preferably piano but orchestras are nice too happy.gif

Let teh flames ensue!?

Btw, that last youtube vid, my friend in Brazil does not stop playing that kinda music so I've sorta gotten used to it. But it'd be a cold day in hell before I paid money for it tongue.gif

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 2 2008, 14:17 PM


How can you not understand the lyrics? I personally think all classical music sucks balls because it's simply... eh. I just can't really stand the sound of it, personally. Which is cool. But saying that heavy metal is shit because you "can't understand" the lyrics is totally wrong.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 2 2008, 15:04 PM

Not understand happy.gif It's more hearing it over the other loud instruments that I find difficult. I can get that not a lot of people like classical music. Takes a certain kind of person to get into it I guess, to everyone else, must be kinda boring.

Ya, in the vid the voice has been overplayed, in everything I've heard the guitars seem louder than the person singing.

Posted by: CheeKy` Feb 2 2008, 16:17 PM

QUOTE

I think all heavy metal etc sucks balls because you can't even hear what the guy is saying.

Than all the rap sucks as well. Also trance dance and all electronic music would suck because they dont talk there at all. Everybody has his own opinion about music. Fusion listens to "real" music wich is made with INSTRUMENTS. Alot of music today is just made with computers etc. Im not saying that I like the same music is Fusion does, but he does have a good music taste. Also most of the people have 1 music thing/type they like the most, so ofcourse you got the most music of them/listen the most of that music. But that doesnt mean your music style isnt all the same since there are many subgenres.

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 2 2008, 17:01 PM


QUOTE

Not understand happy.gif It's more hearing it over the other loud instruments that I find difficult.


Awesome song. Fairly quiet guitars. There's no way you can say you can't here these vocals.

edit: Hansi Kursch is god.

Posted by: Sparky Feb 2 2008, 17:14 PM

I have an opinion about music as well.

As for lyrics, they're only the shallow part of music. One might as well read a book, which in fact doesn't produce sound at all.
It's not for nothing that historical masterpieces are generally seen as boring and that nowadays only inspirationless music is produced. It's because people as a whole are just way out of touch with themselves and don't feel anything when listening to them, they feel nothing and can only think, and think lyrics are "deep" and "inspirational". They might be, but they don't have much to do with music.
You got to think less and feel more. The music of nowadays is fun to occasionally listen to, but otherwise just empty. I have no idea who invented trance or techno for example, but seriously, a few machines in a big industrial factory make the same sound. Flat I would call it perhaps, or something similar.

The essence of music is the vibration. Some pieces of music make you shiver every time you listen to them and it does stuff with you, all because of the vibrations. It's inspirational and motivating. Personal too. Also, one can't judge a feeling one doesn't know, mind you.

Just my opinion, but everyone is offended anyway.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 2 2008, 17:18 PM

Much nicer happy.gif I'd be more inclined to listen to this kinda stuff if it were all like that. Tbh, trance music is just plain annoying. Rap is ok but really not my thing tongue.gif Game music is generally awesome too. Just nice memorable tunes.



Gets really good about 1:40

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 2 2008, 17:57 PM

Yes, The Bard Song is nice. Very different than most of Blind Guardian's stuff, but both kind are very, very good.

Posted by: Remixer Feb 3 2008, 14:02 PM

QUOTE(CheeKy` @ Feb 3 2008, 03:17 AM) *

Than all the rap sucks as well. Also trance dance and all electronic music would suck because they dont talk there at all. Everybody has his own opinion about music. Fusion listens to "real" music wich is made with INSTRUMENTS. Alot of music today is just made with computers etc. Im not saying that I like the same music is Fusion does, but he does have a good music taste. Also most of the people have 1 music thing/type they like the most, so ofcourse you got the most music of them/listen the most of that music. But that doesnt mean your music style isnt all the same since there are many subgenres.





happy.gif

Note: This isn't the genre I listen to. It's just there to disprove whatever dumb shit Cheeky said before laugh.gif

EDIT: Hahahhaahhahahhaha @ Cheeky saying rock is made with REAL instruments xD

Do you even know what kind of huge variety in electronic equipment lets say a rock band like Rammstein NEEDS just to get a single track done?




Remixer

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 3 2008, 17:20 PM

BOOM BOOM BOOM tongue.gif God I remember that song, old stuff happy.gif

Posted by: StefanDeath Feb 3 2008, 19:21 PM

QUOTE(Remixer @ Feb 3 2008, 15:02 PM) *



I sometimes listen to that kind of music, still have 3 cd's of 1994 and 1995 of it ohmy.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 4 2008, 00:59 AM

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 1 2008, 14:59 PM) *
wow. Yes, all metal is just drums, electric guitars, and shock lyrics. Honestly dude, stfu about music you don't understand. That's like saying all rap is about killing cops, all dance music is about doing meth/acid, etc.

Ridiculous. Did I offend you? happy.gif

Dude, I'm 41. I've been in the rock scene. I've done the dance scene, fuck I've heard more music than you would be prepared to admit.

Because you limit yourself to only those bands which have that "rock flavour" of music, you have no variety. IMO.

Others who are wise will understand what I am saying. tongue.gif

And so will you when you eventually grow up. I mean older. laugh.gif

I'm kinda lmao at the fact that somehow you've gotten offended by this Fusion! By now, SURELY, you would have realised that I don't offend people. But somehow you are offended? Meh. Musta hit a nerve.


QUOTE
Yeah, god damn shock lyrics!. Also, many of the bands use keyboards, etc. Let's just see how limited my tastes are then.

Thanks for proving my point. Just another set of gay shock lyrics there.

How to write a rock song: Always include the words: death, blood, dying, mutilate, coffin, soul, genocide, ... and throw in some lyrics that talk about youngsters dying. Thanks again for proving my point on that.

I particularly like this bit:

Black blood dripping from platinum fangs
Rich blood flees while
Our poverty hangs


Oooooh... blood, fangs... oooohh! Gore!!

Yawn. Just fucking YAWN. sleep.gif

QUOTE
Yeah, all god damn shock lyrics that have no meaning.

Agreed.

QUOTE
There's more to metal that simply screaming and shock lyrics.

Maybe. But not much more.

QUOTE(Yumi @ Feb 1 2008, 23:33 PM) *
By the way I'd never pay to download music as I'd prefer to have a decent backup if something goes wrong with the file for some reason, but I never download albums I can buy in a shop somewhere. Never downloaded a film either, might as well wait 6 months then get it for 7 or cheaper in Tesco/HMV/wherever sells it cheapest at that time biggrin.gif

Same.

QUOTE(I AM SUPER COOL LOL @ Feb 2 2008, 02:24 AM) *
Please tell me what music I should listen too as well wise Star Trekker.

Listen to anything you like. Just try to have at least SOME variety. There are lots of types of music around.

Rock (duh rolleyes.gif)
Classical
R&B
Techno
Hip Hop
Rap
Dance

and the list goes on...

My point is that variety is a good thing... even in music.

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 3 2008, 00:47 AM) *
How can you not understand the lyrics? I personally think all classical music sucks balls because it's simply... eh. I just can't really stand the sound of it, personally. Which is cool. But saying that heavy metal is shit because you "can't understand" the lyrics is totally wrong.

Personally, I think, like Sparky said, lyrics is a very minor part of music. If it was so important, reading poetry would be more popular. When I want to listen to music, I want to hear a variety of instruments, played well and I want to be able to hear each with good clarity. When I listen to rock, I don't hear that at all, I hear drums, screaming and electronic guitars. Where is the glockenspiel!! happy.gif

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 4 2008, 02:49 AM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 3 2008, 19:59 PM) *

Thanks for proving my point. Just another set of gay shock lyrics there.

How to write a rock song: Always include the words: death, blood, dying, mutilate, coffin, soul, genocide, ... and throw in some lyrics that talk about youngsters dying. Thanks again for proving my point on that.

I particularly like this bit:

Black blood dripping from platinum fangs
Rich blood flees while
Our poverty hangs


Oooooh... blood, fangs... oooohh! Gore!!

Yawn. Just fucking YAWN. sleep.gif

Metaphors? What the hell are those? What the hell do you want, a song about pretty kittens? IT's a song about war and the exploitation of the poor. You see the lyrics, and you ignore anything about it. Honestly, come on. You're too intelligent to believe OMFG IT SAYS THESE WORDS = SHOCK LYRICS.

Nice tactical dodge of the first video btw. Oh right, it has "shock lyrics" about a holy martyr dieing for the sins of everyone. Let's see some metal lyrics, now shall we?

QUOTE

Now you all know
The bards and their songs
When hours have gone by
I'll close my eyes
In a world far away
We may meet again
But now hear my song
About the dawn of the night
Let's sing the bards' song

Tomorrow will take us away
Far from home
No one will ever know our names
But the bards' songs will remain
Tomorrow will take it away
The fear of today
It will be gone
Due to our magic songs

There's only one song
Left in my mind
Tales of a brave man
Who lived far from here
Now the bard songs are over
And it's time to leave
No one should ask you for the name
Of the one
Who tells the story

Tomorrow will take us away
Far from home
No one will ever know our names
But the bards' songs will remain
Tomorrow all will be known
And you're not alone
So don't be afraid
In the dark and cold
'Cause the bards' songs will remain
They all will remain

In my thoughts and in my dreams
They're always in my mind
These songs of hobbits, dwarves and men
And elves
Come close your eyes
You can see them too

The Bard Song - Blind Guardian

QUOTE


[Tony Kakko]

I could see my life, short film passing my eyes
I tried to look away from her, as always I just tried

Sweetness in her eyes, gone through one million miles
How could I turn my back on her, the sweetest thing alive

I was eager, day time dreamer, waiting time when I'd come alive

Sun of San Sebastian eighteen years young today
She's all I ever dreamed, but now my skies are turning gray
It was good I got to know her well, because it made me see
That the sun of San Sebastian is just too hot for me

Look what I have done to my San Sebastian
I wasted all my childhood dreams by staring at the sun

Back in time with a dream of mine
I try to find my way back to life

Burning fever, night time screamer, waiting time when I'd come alive

Sun of San Sebastian oh why I cannot stay
She's all I ever dreamed, but now my skies are turning gray
It was good I got to know her well, because it made me see
That the sun of San Sebastian Is just too hot for me

Every single day, for the rest of my way
I live without my love, my God, I have to stay in shade
When I'm old and gray, I remember that day
When she came, that perfect dame and she blew me away

I was eager, day time dreamer, waiting time when I'd come alive

Oo-oo...
Was it good I got to know her well although it made me see
That the sun of San Sebastian is far too hot for me (yeah)
Oo-oo..
Now I live my life in shades and I am married to the moon
And the sun of San Sebastian is warming someone new

San Sebatian - Sonata Arctica (ghey song, but that's another matter)

Look. All metal may not be about happiness and love and rainbows. But to say it's all DEATH AND BLOOD is like saying all trance is all about meth. It's like saying all rap is about shooting cops. It's simply not true.

And depends. Saying "ffs why are you offended by this?" is like saying why are you offended if I insult you're single favourite genre to one concept and ignoring all the rest, totally degrading it. You don't like it, fine. But don't spread your bullshit about it ALL being death and destruction.

And Rammstein has guitars and is "worse" than most of the stuff I listen to, lyrically. ie;

QUOTE

ammstein *
A man is burning
Rammstein
The smell of flesh lies in the air
Rammstein
A child is dying
Rammstein
The sun is shining

Rammstein
A sea of flames
Rammstein
Blood is coagulating on the asphalt
Rammstein
Mothers are screaming
Rammstein
The sun is shining

Rammstein
A mass grave
Rammstein
No escape
Rammstein
No birds are singing anymore
Rammstein
The sun is shining

Rammstein - Rammstein.

I also never said I JUST listen to metal. Btw, wp saying power metal, and black metal are all the same.

Power Metal


Black Metal


Look. Watch "Metal: A Headbanger's Journey" before you blindly stereotype.

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 5 2008, 11:46 AM

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Fusion, you're a riot mate smile.gif

QUOTE
I also never said I JUST listen to metal. Btw, wp saying power metal, and black metal are all the same.

I never said you JUST listen to metal either. I just said you have no variety in the music selection you posted. I am still right, no matter how many "metal" variations you post. It's still a variation on a theme. My point is still there and still clear!

I listen to the "power metal" clip... what do I hear? Drums. Guitars. Screaming singers. .. ho hum.

I listen to "black metal" clip... what do I hear? Drums. Guitars. Screaming singers... but distored on the singing to sound more evil and deathly... no... nothing similar about them.

We learning yet?

There are THOUSANDS of musical instruments. I, for one am sick of hearing just drums and guitars.

And I didn't tactically dodge the first video, I blatantly didn't bother watching it for it's not necessary to see the point that I keep making ... the same one you keep "tactically dodging" happy.gif

Don't worry about it... go back and listen to <insert variant name, whether it be death, heavy, black or power> metal and hear your drums and guitars with screaming singers, most likely with shock lyrics... for it is all you seem to be able to hear tongue.gif

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 5 2008, 12:31 PM

Fuck it, you can't seem to wrap your mind around the concept of different types of metal. Calling power metal the same as black metal is simply moronic. I apologize for not listening to cellos in my music. Violins, and keyboards simply aren't good, need MORE RANDOM INSTRUMENTS. Who cares if it's shit music, more instruments = better.

Fuck this argument. You're clearly being ignorant saying power metal = black metal, no sane open minded person can say that.

Posted by: StefanDeath Feb 5 2008, 13:30 PM

Well in your mind of thinking ST you say that Dance is all the same too since it all has bass drums in it (in 99% of all those songs at least) yet there are over 100 sub categories of dance music.

Posted by: I AM SUPER COOL LOL Feb 5 2008, 15:29 PM

Chris btw, Melchanoly is about Jesus.

Stefandeath summed it up well. If you're going to unblur the lines between different genres of metal, why not just merge metal into rock, since they all use the same instruments! And since Blues use the same instruments, why not merge that in as well?

Metal is all mindless screaming? I implore you, listen to the song "Afraid to Shoot Strangers" by Iron Maiden, or AEnima by Tool. Also, Shock lyrics? Since when the fuck was a social commentary "shock lyrics"?

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 5 2008, 17:56 PM

DIE DIE DIE!!

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Posted by: StefanDeath Feb 5 2008, 19:50 PM

Go die in a fire fagzy sleep.gif

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 5 2008, 21:06 PM

QUOTE(I AM SUPER COOL LOL @ Feb 5 2008, 10:29 AM) *

Chris btw, Melchanoly is about Jesus.

I thought it was just about Holy Martyrs, not specifically Jesus. Clearly isn't exactly critical of him, though.

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 6 2008, 04:01 AM

wacko.gif frusty.gif Since when did I say anything about them being the same?? I've been talking only about variety in your music, not that abcde and f flavours of metal or dance (or any other damn thing) are the same. Clearly there are subcategories in most genres. That means they are not the same but they ARE similar... otherwise they would be a whole new genre.

I hear these songs you post up and I hear the same thing - drums/guitars. NO VARIETY in instuments!!! I am NOT saying they are the same... but they have close similarities.

I wonder why people are refusing to acknowledge the point here... interesting. Somehow there is denial here eyebrow.gif

QUOTE(I AM SUPER COOL LOL @ Feb 6 2008, 01:59 AM) *
Chris btw, Melchanoly is about Jesus.

1. Melchanoly is horribly misspelled. Melancholy is what I think you mean.
2. Don't bring religion into this.

QUOTE(I AM SUPER COOL LOL @ Feb 6 2008, 01:59 AM) *
Stefandeath summed it up well. If you're going to unblur the lines between different genres of metal, why not just merge metal into rock, since they all use the same instruments! And since Blues use the same instruments, why not merge that in as well?

To re-iterate my point, if you did that then Fusion's list would have only one category. That category would be called "Drums/Guitars and multiple instances of shock lyrics" or "crap" for short. tongue.gif

QUOTE(I AM SUPER COOL LOL @ Feb 6 2008, 01:59 AM) *
Metal is all mindless screaming? I implore you, listen to the song "Afraid to Shoot Strangers" by Iron Maiden, or AEnima by Tool. Also, Shock lyrics? Since when the fuck was a social commentary "shock lyrics"?

Now WHO said mindless screaming? FFS stop twisting things around.

And NO, I REFUSE to listen to more crap metal music for this topic. It's not needed. If you can't see what I am trying to say then all I can say is that you have a problem in comprehension, or you too, are in denial for some reason.

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Feb 6 2008, 04:26 AM) *
DIE DIE DIE!!

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Don't provoke them into a flame war! I know they have, so far, completely missed the point, but this is just like throwing peppermint bananas into a cage of apes to make them go apeshit.

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Why am I finding this topic soooo funny?!

Kids and their music happy.gif

QUOTE(StefanDeath @ Feb 6 2008, 06:20 AM) *
Go die in a fire fagzy sleep.gif

Oi. Flamzy was teasing as implied by the smilie. Yours seems serious and you're an SDM so you can't do that. TBH, I'm a little surprised you'd blatantly flame here ohmy.gif

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 6 2008, 07:36 AM) *
I thought it was just about Holy Martyrs, not specifically Jesus. Clearly isn't exactly critical of him, though.

Again, let's not bring religion into this or the topic will have to be locked or offenders banned from this forum.

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 6 2008, 04:26 AM

Rofl, it's about the SONG. I suppose if you actually listened to it and comprehended the lyrics and not hiding behind OMFG SHOCK LYRICS, you would realize that.

It's not denial. Denial is saying every metal song is about shock lyrics which is clearly false. Calling all metal "crap" just proves that I can't bother to argue with someone that ignorant.

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 5 2008, 06:46 AM) *


I never said you JUST listen to metal either.


QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Jan 31 2008, 21:43 PM) *

All them are the same thing


lawl. This argument is pointless as you are clearly blind to rock/metal. Saying rock = metal is just plain ignorant.

Why am I finding this topic soooo funny?!

Elitists who must have every kind of genre that's popular and their music.

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 5 2008, 23:01 PM) *
you have a problem in comprehension, or you too, are in denial for some reason.

I do believe you are the one lacking comprehension or are in denial for some reason.

Posted by: StefanDeath Feb 6 2008, 06:38 AM

ST you take things too seriously, I wasn't even near serious. Ask the CL clan members since they are used to that line by now tongue.gif Also I say that a lot online btw so the conclusion is: you miss too much around ZH and GR now sad.gif

Fyi I have never seriously flamed on GR, only on ZH when I hear the magic words "pr0 rules". Even AGM flips out then so... tongue.gif

Posted by: MadassAlex Feb 6 2008, 13:33 PM

Trekker, let me first say that you display an astounding amount of ignorance towards the genres of rock, metal and punk. The fact that you consider them to have no variety immediately discredits any and all experience you claim to have, to the point where I do not actually believe that you have much experience with the genre(s) at all, or at least have very weak ears.
For the uninitiated (i.e., our oh-so-good-but-ignorant friend Trekker here), these are the key aspects of the three main genres of rock music:

Rock music, or hard rock is characterised by a wide range of vocal styles, although melodic vocals with a slight rasp or snarl are favoured. Riffs tend to be based on the blues as do the solos, and the base and drums follow very simple rhythm patterns, allowing the vocals and guitar do define the song moreso.
Heavy metal has similar roots to rock, but it takes it to further extremes. Vocals are even more melodic and virtuosic, snarls are deeper, riffs are heavier and solos are more technical, fleet-of-finger and varied in scale. Bass and drums play a more interesting roll, especially given the tempo and time signiature changes that are common in metal (and progressive rock, for that matter).
Punk is the most simple of the genres. With vocals that are partially sung, partially shouted, simple rhythm guitar driven by power chords and constant rhythms echoes by the bass and drums, punk is a genre of pure energy and rawness. It's the most stripped-down, and arguably the most effective form of rock.

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *

Dude, I'm 41. I've been in the rock scene. I've done the dance scene, fuck I've heard more music than you would be prepared to admit.


Evidently not true. Your comments alone solidify my stance.


QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *
Because you limit yourself to only those bands which have that "rock flavour" of music, you have no variety. IMO.


Also untrue. If you had "been in the rock scene", you would recognise the distinct variations of its subgenres and related styles. You clearly have never delved into progressive rock like Rush or Yes, nor have you explored post-rock like Explosions In The Sky, and I doubt even if you've listened to the great expanse of classic rock, which arguably includes styles as varied as folk rock, through punk, through heavy metal, through progressive rock, through pub rock and beyond.


QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *
Others who are wise will understand what I am saying. tongue.gif


Others who are wise aren't as closed-minded as you.


QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *
And so will you when you eventually grow up. I mean older. laugh.gif


Plenty of people your age enjoy rock music.




QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *
How to write a rock song: Always include the words: death, blood, dying, mutilate, coffin, soul, genocide, ... and throw in some lyrics that talk about youngsters dying. Thanks again for proving my point on that.


You cannot be serious. Songs like Infinite Dreams by Iron Maiden, I'm A Rocker by Judas Priest, Memories by Velvet Revolver and many more. Rock is about much more than violence, and when violence is concerned it's usually about the effects of violence or the circumstances of it.


QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *
I particularly like this bit:

Black blood dripping from platinum fangs
Rich blood flees while
Our poverty hangs


Oooooh... blood, fangs... oooohh! Gore!!


Your superior intellect seems to have missed the political allusion there. Its a metaphor mixed with the literal term of "poverty" to express the death of freedom.



QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *
Listen to anything you like. Just try to have at least SOME variety. There are lots of types of music around.

Rock (duh rolleyes.gif)
Classical
R&B
Techno
Hip Hop
Rap
Dance

and the list goes on...


I personally dislike all of those except for classical and rock. You've chosen a poor set of musical genres because all but two are based almost entirely on rhythm. If your expansive knowledge of music was as expansive as you said, you might have made allusions to jazz, neo-classical, progressive, free music and types of music that, generally, aren't supported almost entirely by MTV.


QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *
My point is that variety is a good thing... even in music.
Personally, I think, like Sparky said, lyrics is a very minor part of music. If it was so important, reading poetry would be more popular. When I want to listen to music, I want to hear a variety of instruments, played well and I want to be able to hear each with good clarity. When I listen to rock, I don't hear that at all, I hear drums, screaming and electronic guitars. Where is the glockenspiel!! happy.gif


Then you're hearing wrong, because when I hear rock music, I'm listening to melodies, rhythms, vocals and harmonies. There's clear verse sections, chorus sections and often a solo. I think the major issues here are not rock music itself, but rather:

- Your inexperience with music
- Your inability to look beyond the music that is easily accessible

I don't mean to insult you, but judging by your argument you seem quite ignorant, not only of rock music, but music as a whole. It's fine to have your opinion, but not when it's generally ill-informed and based entirely on subjectivity when you claim points as fact that are clearly incorrect.

As a sidenote, if you considered lyrics a "minor part" of music, you wouldn't care that rock contains the lyrics you think it does.


Now, let's take a look at basic music theory and see how it and its harmonies apply to rock. Steel yourself, this takes some explaining.

Everything in western music is based off what we consider the "major scale". The major scale in its most simple form can be heard in a lot of children's songs and folk tunes. Mary Had A Little Lamb, for example. Musicians represent the scale (and other scales) as a set of numbers, namely the numbers 1 through 7, where 8 is the beginning of the next set of 1 to 7, where each set is called an "octave".
Take, for example, the C major scale. The notes are C, D, E, F, G, A, B, directly corresponding to the numbers. But if you altered the formula, of 1-7, and made the 7 "flat", you get 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, b7 (b = flat). We call this the "mixolydian" scale, and it's common in blues and rock. In the case of the C major scale, the B becomes B flat, or Bb.
This is very, very convenient for blues players, because the most common kind of chord in blues is the major 7 chord, that is, a major chord that has an added 7th note. The 7th is based off the mixolydian scale, however, and is actually a b7.
The rest of the notes of a major chord are the root (1), the 3rd and 5th. So a Cmaj7 chord is C, E, G Bb. Thus, the chord creates a tonal backbone, often backed by the bass playing major notes (general emphasising the root or 3rd).
Since the chord has the 1, 3, 5 and b7, when you play the mixolydian scale over it, it sounds completely natural since most of the mixolydian notes correspond directly to one of the notes under it. This basic idea is attached to minor chord and scales too, but that explanation is satisfactory, I baleeb.
For the record, the 3rd note defines the scale or chord as major or minor. A natural 3rd is major, a flattened one is minor.

Now, take a band like Iron Maiden. The guitars use a lot of distortion, which means using 7ths in chords is right out of the picture, since, by classical standards, 7ths are considered "dissonant". 3rds are also considered slightly dissonant. Only the root, fourth and fifth are considered "perfect" intervals, and those are the intervals chosen when using a lot of distortion as they'll never sound dissonant together.
Metal, rock and punk bands favour chords called "power chords", which are simply the root note and the 5th played together. Power chords are brilliant, especially for technically proficient bands like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath, because the lack of a 3rd to establish the tonality of the chord allows soloists and riff-writers a lot of freedom when playing over them. Indeed, it may be one skill to play perfectly over a complex set of chords using equally complex scales, but it's another skill entirely to improvise a solo over a simple set of power chords and make it engaging.

Anyway, the point is that in rock music, the root and the 5th are the most important harmonic notes. The 3rd is also important, but rather than playing that as part of a chord, the 3rd is often played as its own power chord or implied to give the song a certain mood.

So let's cover the other most common scale in rock - the minor pentatonic scale. This is basically taken from blues but phrased in a more driving and focused way. The formula is 1, b3, 4, 5, b7. As the name implies, only 5 notes per an octave, although this gives the scale a distinct, powerful feel. Just about every rock player favours this scale, and thus you can tell an exceptional player when they distinguish themselves while remaining within the perimeter of the pentatonic scale. You may have noticed that

A. I stated that this was originally from blues
B. As is the maj7 chord
C. The major 3rd and minor 3rd clash

How can this be? Simple. The blues is dissonant, and rock, metal and punk have continued this tradition, just with more distortion and rather than driving away listeners this often creates exciting tension and release within music. Jazz players do it a lot, too, except they use notes that clash even more. Crazy things like b5ths with natural 5ths and b2nds (b9ths). The fact is that the wall of fuzz you seem to encounter only in rock is a common technique in most genres that have an emphasis on melody. Even classical does this on occasion, generally when breaking smaller rules (like the rule of consecutive fifths).

After this, we get into the evolution of metal, which is a whole different kettle of fish as it starts to use classical harmony and scales as well as more complex jazz concepts. The harmonic and melodic minor scales come into play, as well as their modes and chords. If you're interested in really proving your open-mindedness to music, then respond when you understand the above and we can start discussing more complex harmonies and their examples.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 6 2008, 14:36 PM

You sir, have too much time on your hands. And tbh, if you don't listen to a particular type of music, your not going to be able to distinguish between sub-genres. Therefore, you just assume they are all the same, and since you categorise them all as 'sucking' then it's not really a misinterpretation of another type of music, it's just that you don't care tongue.gif

Posted by: MadassAlex Feb 7 2008, 05:47 AM

There are very clear differences between rock, metal and punk. In addition, the subgenres also have quite clear distinctions - compare death metal to power metal for instance, or post-rock to progressive rock.

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 7 2008, 08:58 AM

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 6 2008, 14:56 PM) *
Rofl, it's about the SONG. I suppose if you actually listened to it and comprehended the lyrics and not hiding behind OMFG SHOCK LYRICS, you would realize that.

Here we go again. Why the fuck is it so hard to get? I don't need to listen to yet another song and waste my time interpreting the lyrics AGAIN for this oh-so-basic point that everyone has missed. AGAIN.

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 6 2008, 14:56 PM) *
It's not denial. Denial is saying every metal song is about shock lyrics which is clearly false. Calling all metal "crap" just proves that I can't bother to argue with someone that ignorant.

Since now all you can do is turn my words around and repeat them back to me, which is the apitome of childish arguments) and the fact that you are now contradicting yourself in the same sentence (stating that you can't be bothered arguing, in the same sentence as continuing arguing), I'd say you're done.

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 6 2008, 14:56 PM) *
lawl. This argument is pointless as you are clearly blind to rock/metal. Saying rock = metal is just plain ignorant.

Once again, I didn't say any such thing. If you keep the context of what I am saying and not just pull out words that suit your argument ignoring context, you'd find it's about musical instrument variation, but this is obviously beyond your comprehension and that of MadassAlex.

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 6 2008, 14:56 PM) *
Why am I finding this topic soooo funny?!

Again, why not just copy what I say and return it to me.

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 6 2008, 14:56 PM) *
I do believe you are the one lacking comprehension or are in denial for some reason.

Again, why not just copy what I say and return it to me.

Piss weak argument, but I guess you can't do much else when you just can't comprehend the point being made.

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You all keep believing what you want and listening to nobody but your own rhetoric. thum.gif

Posted by: MadassAlex Feb 7 2008, 09:53 AM

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How to write a rock song: Always include the words: death, blood, dying, mutilate, coffin, soul, genocide, ... and throw in some lyrics that talk about youngsters dying. Thanks again for proving my point on that.


There's the implication. You're combining the term "rock" with a common heavy metal stereotype, even though the rock stereotype in terms of lyrics is clearly based on relationships, sexuality and drinking/drugs. It's a very old, established tradition, going all the way back to old blues and jazz of the 1800s and previous, where the black population who played said styles of music didn't have as many material concerns - the idea behind the blues is that it was the expression of the immediate desires of the lower, slave-class of America at the time. There were exceptions, but generally the blues was basic on both its instrumentation and lyricism.
There were also violent songs, but they weren't descriptive; instead, they displayed regret at what an individual had done, or were about one's feelings towards another in a negative context. Eventually, white people caught on and began to ban such lyrics, so innuendo was put into use, which probably explains entirely "Lemon Song", appropriated by Led Zeppelin and lyrics like "If you squeeze my lizard" from NWOBHM's very own Lemmy. This trend started to die off as rock became more popular and metal became more intricate, but there are plenty of bands that are just as unsavory as ever.

Your ignorance of the above allows for my suggestion that your are, in fact, ignorant of the majority of the rock, metal and punk scenes. There's very obvious differences in sound, lyricism and attitude, even if they generally stem from the blues. For example, metal has a heavier focus on more abstract expressions of emotion, even going into and taking inspiration from historical events, classic texts and alternate philosophies. Punk, again, simplifies matters even further or complicates them further, speaking in very plain words about either one's feelings or politics.
Metal is also known for its political lyrics to a lesser extent, since punk was an idealogical movement as much as it was musical, whereas metal's only central ethos is "rock and let rock, unless they're fucking poseurs". Simply condemning the complete construct of "rock" into a single lyrical stereotype isn't only ludicrous, it displays and exceptional lack of understanding. Most people, at least, would construct a separate stereotype for each one.

For the record, the basic set of instruments in rock music are very, very versatile. Even just the electric guitar, for instance. While clean, it has more chord options and becomes largely a rhythm instrument, taking on arpeggio roles as well, but distortion opens a whole lot of options. The sustain afforded by said distortion allows for longer-last bends, vibrato and legato, and opens up the option of a "pinch harmonic", a kind of artificial harmonic that's loved by metal and rock players for its ability to be sounded anywhere on the instrument.
Guitars are what I like to term a "non-linear" instrument despite their apparent linearity, since you can manipulate the strings more than you can manipulate the buttons on a brass instrument or the keys on a piano. This means you can access a wide range of microtones in between the more common western notes, and, if you're careful with your choice of notes, even sound like other instruments, like the Indian sitar.
Bass and drums are in just about every genre and used the same way in almost all of them, so you can't claim that they're not versatile, and that claim is even less verified in rock and metal where advanced bass guitar and drum playing has exploded. The likes of Neil Peart and Mike Portnoy have set new standards for virtuosic drumming, and the Steve Harris-pioneered style of "lead bass" has given rise to such musicians as Victor Wooten. In short, there are thousands of people and musicians out there who are hearing quite a few things you are not, and thus I suggest that you review your attitude towards rock music in order to fully appreciate a wider musical spectrum.

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 7 2008, 11:32 AM

Way to take one little piece of what I said and completely take me out of the context and once again, totally miss the point wink.gif

Yes, guitars are versatile. Is this relevant? Nope.

Yes, I may be ignorant to the distinction between various types of current rock, metal, punk etc, but that is by choice for I know what my ears tell me when I listen to that kind of music. I am simply bored of it. Again, is this relevant? Nope. I am allowed to dislike certain types of music am I not?!

These days, I like to listen to a lot of musical instrument variety... even stuff .. omg .. without guitars... and sometimes ohmy.gif heaven forbid... without lyrics OR guitars happy.gif

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I suggest that you review your attitude towards rock music in order to fully appreciate a wider musical spectrum.

Now this is what really annoys me. You, who have no concept of what I am saying, have the gall to say that. frusty.gif

I suggest you have a long hard think.

I am, and have been all along, trying to convey the benefits of listening to a wider range (variety, wider spectrum) of musical genres and you are trying to tell me to "appreciate a wider spectrum of music"????? OMG that is just so silly! happy.gif

Posted by: OnLy^pRo^h4x0r- Feb 7 2008, 12:06 PM

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Now the time has come when all is said and done
We're back together on the road it's time to fly
No more time to wait you know it feels so great
Wearin leather on a horse of steel I ride
I ain't waiting to get old I'm runnin hot I'm never cold
Kiss my ass if you don't like me I don't care
I got my wheels I got my friends we're on the road again
We're all crazy gonna ride until we die

Time to burn you losers better learn
No one controls our goddamn lifes
We'll do just what we feel riding horses made of steel
We're here to burn up the night

Losers try to put us down it's just another day
I got no money or big house just got life
I don't like to save it's more fun to spend
If you like metal you're my friend
And that bike out in the yard well that's my wife
Don't try to understand me my family never will
Had to punch my teacher out now he's chilled
I might stay in school or die in prison
Either way it's my decision one more beer and heavy metal
And I'm just fine

Time to burn you losers better learn
No one controls our goddamn lifes
We'll do just what we feel riding horses made of steel
We're here to burn up the night

We are the undefeated we're not living in the past
We're here tonight to kick some goddamn ass
Feel the power of the wheel lets drink to riding steel
Livin hard and ridin fast

Time to burn you losers better learn
No one controls our goddam lifes
We'll do just what we feel riding horses made of steel
We're here to burn up the night


Manowar - Return Of The Warlord

happy.gif wink.gif

Posted by: MadassAlex Feb 7 2008, 12:11 PM

I don't think you're fully appreciating the impact of your earlier comments, especially given the irony of your supposed open-mindedness. In addition, right now I cannot see your point as every time one of your points is refuted, you claim that we're missing something.
Perhaps you could type your major point in bolded text so I could more accurately respond and more easily see the crux of your argument.


In any case, I'm not saying you have to listen to rock and its related genres or even like them. I'm just arguing against your points, which in my mind are only spreading ignorance. I also find it reprehensible that you're prepared to completely discredit art forms that are clearly alien to you, only because you lack the capacity to understand and appreciate them.

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Now this is what really annoys me. You, who have no concept of what I am saying, have the gall to say that.


I see this from a reverse viewpoint. You've displayed an exceptional capacity for musical ignorance, which leads me to question whether you actually appreciate the amount of music you claim to or if you're merely trying to back up your claim about the supposed repetitive nature of rock music. You've referenced little other than genres tarnished by over-commercialisation, which again supports my claim that you don't go to any kind of lengths to access music that isn't immediately noticable in the mainstream.
If you have any arguments against rock music in general that aren't complete conjecture or based on preference alone, then raise them now. This could be a great opportunity to correct some misunderstandings and expand your ear and taste so that, in the future, you'll have less ignorance to embarrass yourself with.

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 7 2008, 12:26 PM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 7 2008, 03:58 AM) *

Piss weak argument, but I guess you can't do much else when you just can't comprehend the point being made.

What is the point being made? You are jumping everywhere. Metal is shock lyrics. Nope. Metal is just guitars and drums? Nope. What point ARE you making?

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 8 2008, 14:06 PM

laugh.gif ROFL laugh.gif

See what I mean?!! laugh.gif

I'd just be repeating myself if I try to explain it again.

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 8 2008, 14:34 PM

MadAss, stop using the word ignorant / ignorance. I am not nearly as ignorant of your points as you are of mine. I understand what you are saying but it's completely irrelevant. But I guess you lack the capacity to understand or appreciate that. wink.gif

I give up trying to explain it. If you haven't got it by now, you're just not gonna get it.

How bout you stop being so offended / offensive, drop the "ignorant" accusations and the "don't have the capacity to understand" angles and I'll do the same... before I go and ban your ass from the BORG forums tongue.gif smile.gif

FFS I listen to music every day, sometimes 14 hours a day. I like variety in music and I know it very well. I have lots of it. I've listen to lots of the bands/groups you are talking about and some you've probably never listened to because they're too old now and some you probably haven't come accross that I have via family and friends.

Yet you think I am somehow ignorant of it? wacko.gif Think again.

With so much listening time, I bet I also listen to music that you guys most likely wouldn't bother with because it isn't of the genre that you like.

Let's try a topic morph?

Who here likes Hip Hop? tongue.gif

Posted by: StefanDeath Feb 8 2008, 15:13 PM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 8 2008, 15:34 PM) *

Who here likes Hip Hop? tongue.gif

I hate it. It's exactly the oppeside of my own music style.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 8 2008, 16:53 PM

It's a less gheyr version of rap isn't it? In which case no sleep.gif I don't really bother with genres, I like a type of music, I listen to it. I don't care if people don't like it, or say there's is better happy.gif As far as I'm concerned, everything else sucks.

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 8 2008, 21:18 PM

KRS-One / Last Emperor from time to time isn't bad.

And StarTrekker, confusing rock / metal is ignorance. I'm listening to music about 12-13 hours a day, so guess what, you're not the only one.

Posted by: MadassAlex Feb 8 2008, 21:47 PM

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 9 2008, 01:34 AM) *

MadAss, stop using the word ignorant / ignorance. I am not nearly as ignorant of your points as you are of mine. I understand what you are saying but it's completely irrelevant. But I guess you lack the capacity to understand or appreciate that. wink.gif


I may be ignorant of your points, but you haven't expressed them clearly or concisely. Your original comment was about the lack of quality in rock music, and since originally you were backing only that point we assumed you had continued that line of argument.

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 9 2008, 01:34 AM) *
I give up trying to explain it. If you haven't got it by now, you're just not gonna get it.


Please, explain. I cannot drag a single argument out of what you've posted that we haven't disproved. Therefore, if you have some omniprescient meta-point, then explain it now so that this can be concluded.

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 9 2008, 01:34 AM) *
How bout you stop being so offended / offensive, drop the "ignorant" accusations and the "don't have the capacity to understand" angles and I'll do the same... before I go and ban your ass from the BORG forums tongue.gif smile.gif


You're right. I am offended. I am offended at the audacity of your claims, your arguments and the way you ignore each and every point I have put in front of you as if your argument is credible without a rebuttal. I'm also troubled as to how you can discredit an art form with so much variation and progression off-handed like that, just because it isn't your preferred genre of music.

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 9 2008, 01:34 AM) *
FFS I listen to music every day, sometimes 14 hours a day. I like variety in music and I know it very well. I have lots of it. I've listen to lots of the bands/groups you are talking about and some you've probably never listened to because they're too old now and some you probably haven't come accross that I have via family and friends.


That stands true to me, too. How is it relevant? You've expressed no proof that your musical knowledge extends so far, and your previous arguments are so silly that they discredit any worth that paragraph may have had.
In simple terms for simple people: if you really think the things you do about rock music, you have not listened to it. If you have not listened to rock music, then you're ignorant of many of the influences on modern music of all times, not to mention the genre progression, crossovers and sub-movements.

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 9 2008, 01:34 AM) *
Yet you think I am somehow ignorant of it? wacko.gif Think again.

With so much listening time, I bet I also listen to music that you guys most likely wouldn't bother with because it isn't of the genre that you like.


I think you are ignorant of it, yes. If the comments you posted previously hold true in the face of my arguments, then I believe no matter how much music you've heard, you've failed to listen to it. Not only that, but despite your apparent love of music you don't open to learning about it.
The fact that you listen to genres we do not is irrelevant. We certainly listen to genres you do not. Personally, I like progressive, avant garde and otherwise irregular forms of music that generally use rock instrumentation to achieve different results, but I'm not going to hinge my argument on that which I don't know. Instead, my argument is amplified through the confused nature of yours.

QUOTE(StarTrekker @ Feb 9 2008, 01:34 AM) *
Let's try a topic morph?

Who here likes Hip Hop? tongue.gif


I personally dislike Hip-Hop, as I dislike most genres with an emphasis on rhythm over melody.

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 9 2008, 09:05 AM

^ Banned from BORG forums smile.gif

Sorry, but he's just a time waster who doesn't know when to stop. That's what happens when you ignore warnings in the BORG forums happy.gif

Well I actually like hip hop coz it has quite a bit of musical variety. Sometimes the lyrics are a bit 'grating' though. My favorite atm is Hilltop Hoods, but you guys probably wouldn't have heard of them.

And Fusion, I am not confused between rock and metal, therefore I am not ignorant. Ok once in this topic I did over generalise, but ffs, the point I was trying to make was being completely missed in it all, so I tried to change some words to make my point clearer, but that just backfired and seems to have so totally confused people that they can't recover from it. Let's just forget it an move on.

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 9 2008, 15:52 PM

Rofl at banning Alex for totally proving you wrong. And yes, I have heard of Hilltop Hoods. Saying Hop Hop has more musical variety than metal is totally false.

And saying all metal is about screaming shock lyrics behind a guitar and drums is pretty damn ignorant. All hip hop is about drugs, hoes, and shootin' cops!.

Yes I'm aware of the idiocy in that, given Hilltop Hoods.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 9 2008, 15:57 PM

I think he banned him because he was annoying happy.gif Good riddance, too much to read tongue.gif You forgot shooting bystanders btw smile.gif I dislike a type of music that promotes such things anyway...

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 9 2008, 16:48 PM

Except it doesn't. Every single hip hop song doesn't promote that. It's the exact same thing with metal.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 10 2008, 01:00 AM

Not every, but the more mainstream ones do...Based on my brief dip into that type of music about 4 years ago happy.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 10 2008, 12:48 PM

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 10 2008, 02:22 AM) *
Rofl at banning Alex for totally proving you wrong.

Bullshit. He proved nothing but that he was too emotional about it... and couldn't discuss the issue without resorting to garbage posting. And that he didn't understand the point at all.

QUOTE
Saying Hop Hop has more musical variety than metal is totally false.

Really? I'd tend to disagree there. But I'll take your word for it since I don't really listen to enough metal these days.

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 10 2008, 02:22 AM) *
And yes, I have heard of Hilltop Hoods.

Cool smile.gif Being an Aussie band, I have no idea how far their "reach" is. For all I knew, they only get heard down under smile.gif

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 10 2008, 02:22 AM) *
And saying all metal is about screaming shock lyrics behind a guitar and drums is pretty damn ignorant. All hip hop is about drugs, hoes, and shootin' cops!.

Yes I'm aware of the idiocy in that, given Hilltop Hoods.

Two points.

One, I never said that ALL metal is like that. I may have alluded to the fact that a LOT of that genre is though, which is undeniable. For every song you can mention that doesn't ten more can be given that do. No, I don't have exact figures, but you know what I mean... I hope.

Two, you saying that "all hip hop is about drugs, hoes and shootin' cops" is as ignorant as you can get. Just to throw the same shit back at you as you have been trying to make stick to me.... but at least I DIDN'T say it whereas you did!!

HA!! tongue.gif Owned happy.gif

However, yup, Hip Hop is all too often based on that kind of "flavour" of lyrics.

And the same is true for metal. It has it's own "flavour".

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Feb 10 2008, 02:27 AM) *
I think he banned him because he was annoying happy.gif Good riddance, too much to read tongue.gif You forgot shooting bystanders btw smile.gif I dislike a type of music that promotes such things anyway...

Yes, annoying, accusatory and he ignored my warning to back off. I just don't want to spend the time on "drop ins" who don't even try to understand the topic and go slagging off at me for no intelligent reason.

Simple as that really.

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 10 2008, 03:18 AM) *
Except it doesn't. Every single hip hop song doesn't promote that. It's the exact same thing with metal.

Exactly. Hilltop Hoods for example typically advocate the opposite of the "norm". But each has a dominant lyrical tendency.

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Feb 10 2008, 11:30 AM) *
Not every, but the more mainstream ones do...

Indeed... I'm not sure it's "the mainstream ones" or a "dominant lyrical tendency"... but I agree smile.gif

Posted by: CheeKy` Feb 10 2008, 15:56 PM

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Two, you saying that "all hip hop is about drugs, hoes and shootin' cops" is as ignorant as you can get. Just to throw the same shit back at you as you have been trying to make stick to me.... but at least I DIDN'T say it whereas you did!!

Most of the time hiphop is going about nothing like SoulyaBoy lolol

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 10 2008, 16:43 PM

Crank Dat is about having sex with a girl and then giving her a "superman". Absolutely shit song, even for hip hop post-13661-1143531603.gif.

And trekker read the whole post before you comment on it, lol.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 10 2008, 17:53 PM

Mmmm do I want to know what a superman is?

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 10 2008, 20:56 PM

No, you don't.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=superman

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 10 2008, 22:14 PM

Feck shouldn't have clicked. I assumed it was something non sexual and to do with pretending to fly cry.gif

Posted by: k1ll3r Feb 10 2008, 22:42 PM

Hilarious topic. WFP banning alex for absolutely destroying you in arguments thumb.gif

Posted by: Sparky Feb 10 2008, 23:11 PM

QUOTE(Fusion. @ Feb 10 2008, 21:56 PM) *

No, you don't.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=superman

Doing that is just sad, let alone giving it it's own definition. What the fuck.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 11 2008, 00:14 AM

Magic of the internet post-13661-1143531603.gif

Posted by: Sparky Feb 11 2008, 01:28 AM

It sucks like that post-13661-1143531603.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 11 2008, 10:47 AM

QUOTE(k1ll3r @ Feb 11 2008, 09:12 AM) *
Hilarious topic. WFP banning alex for absolutely destroying you in arguments thumb.gif

rolleyes.gif another one who just doesn't get it. frusty.gif

QUOTE(Sparky @ Feb 11 2008, 09:41 AM) *
Doing that is just sad, let alone giving it it's own definition. What the fuck.

Totally agreed. Appalls me to think that people today are so mentally fucked up they even think of such things.

Posted by: Fusion. Feb 11 2008, 12:09 PM

Banning Alex is still funny. He did shit all, roflmao.

Posted by: Misterjoe Feb 11 2008, 14:50 PM

Lol @ banning Alex. I can't even believe that just happened wacko.gif

All hope of redeeming this topic died with "hip hop has more variety than metal" LMAO.

Posted by: k1ll3r Feb 11 2008, 15:15 PM

I suppose this is what happens when you give powers to someone so insecure.

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 11 2008, 16:34 PM

Any clan leader who has a forum can request someone to be banned, even if it's just because they don't like them...Tbh, if someone was bugging me in my forum, I'd just boot the mofo out, irrespective if he was right/wrong.

Posted by: k1ll3r Feb 11 2008, 23:13 PM

I doubt that's what the rules say, nevertheless, I'll check it out.

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 12 2008, 05:40 AM

QUOTE(Misterjoe @ Feb 12 2008, 01:20 AM) *
...All hope of redeeming this topic died with "hip hop has more variety than metal" LMAO.

Another "clever individual" who mis-quotes what is said. Well done wink.gif

QUOTE(k1ll3r @ Feb 12 2008, 01:45 AM) *
I suppose this is what happens when you give powers to someone so insecure.

And welcome to another "clever individual" who just doesn't get it and tries to be smart in a smarmy reply wacko.gif

QUOTE(Flamzypants @ Feb 12 2008, 03:04 AM) *
Any clan leader who has a forum can request someone to be banned, even if it's just because they don't like them...Tbh, if someone was bugging me in my forum, I'd just boot the mofo out, irrespective if he was right/wrong.

Exactly. Very tempting to go on a banning spree atm.

Oh well, screw this topic tbh. I think I'll only talk about music with mature, intelligent people who actually read and comprehend things that are said instead of this immature lot of twits who can do nothing but misquote, fail to comprehend, fail to read, refuse to acknowledge axioms and/or have no fucking idea how to contribute in a normal, respectable way.

I just don't have time or the inclination to teach sparrows that water is made up of 2 parts hydrogen to one part oxygen. Nor do I want to put up with the smarmy comments here. This is the BORG forum where BORG come to relax, not have to deal with this kind of lunacy.

Topic closed.

Posted by: Remixer Feb 16 2008, 02:49 AM

Topic re-opened. I want to say something laugh.gif

ST is right in banning Alex from the BORG forums, as he clearly had no comprehension of ST's point and rambled on and on.

ST pretty much screwed all of you in the "Metal/Rock/Punk/Retarded vs Musical Variation" argument.

His point was clearly that narrow-minding yourself to one type of music and neglecting all other types of music, be it classical, dance, folk, rap, r'n'b, trance or whatnot, you have limited your own music variety.

Plunging into sub-genres of the same type of music does not make up for musical variety. It just comes to show how fanatical you are about the type of music you prefer to listen to.

I personally listen to pretty much any type of music, as long as it has good melody and/or a nice beat and isn't any form of rock. Lyrics don't count for shit in my opinion.

I do, however, like Trance/Techno the most and therefore explored their sub-genres, which are immense in variety.

It would be foolish from me to claim to have musical variety if I only listened to the Trance/Techno style of music and argued that by having explored its sub-genres (e.g. Breakbeat, Drum'n'Bass, Tribal, House, Club, Dance, Happy Hardcore, Psy/Goa Trance, etc etc etc) I have solidified my stance on pertaining a variety of musical styles.


Remixer

Posted by: Flamzypants Feb 16 2008, 13:57 PM

I'd close this but it seems unfair to end on one persons view dry.gif

Posted by: CheeKy` Feb 16 2008, 14:18 PM

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e.g. Breakbeat, Drum'n'Bass, Tribal, House, Club, Dance, Happy Hardcore, Psy/Goa Trance, etc etc etc)

These arent subgenres of Trance. Goa/Psy trance is. But the rest isnt.
QUOTE
Plunging into sub-genres of the same type of music does not make up for musical variety. It just comes to show how fanatical you are about the type of music you prefer to listen to.

I personally listen to pretty much any type of music, as long as it has good melody and/or a nice beat and isn't any form of rock. Lyrics don't count for shit in my opinion.

Agreed. But most of the time songs with lyrics who doesnt make sense arent good songs as well.

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 17 2008, 12:24 PM

QUOTE(CheeKy` @ Feb 17 2008, 00:48 AM) *
These arent subgenres of Trance. Goa/Psy trance is. But the rest isnt.

And this changes his point... how??

And he didn't say they were a sub-genre of Trance. He said they were a sub-genre of Trance/Techno in a way of supporting his point...

QUOTE(CheeKy` @ Feb 17 2008, 00:48 AM) *
Agreed. But most of the time songs with lyrics who doesnt make sense arent good songs as well.

Is the term "most" debatable on that?

And thanks Remixer, for understanding and clarifying my point... and for making those of your own, which I totally agree with... especially about the 'fanatical' thing smile.gif

Posted by: CheeKy` Feb 17 2008, 14:04 PM

QUOTE
And this changes his point... how??

And he didn't say they were a sub-genre of Trance. He said they were a sub-genre of Trance/Techno in a way of supporting his point...

Well I never said, he was wrong. I just said it arent subgenres and wanted to make that clear.
QUOTE
Is the term "most" debatable on that?

Its a fact wink.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 18 2008, 03:16 AM

You said what? "It aren't subgenres" now? Now you are not only misquoting Remixer, but you're mis-quoting yourself! laugh.gif But thanks for making that "clear" happy.gif

Don't get me wrong, I just found that to be a little funny smile.gif

What are you basing your "fact" on?? I don't think it's as clear cut as a "fact" imo... I really think the lyrics are almost irrelevant to a song's popularity or greatness. I can't help thinking of songs that hit number 1 on the top40... like "Around the World" happy.gif

Posted by: bliNd- Feb 18 2008, 03:39 AM

This topic has provided me with quite a lot of laughs. Thank you all, especially ST, some of your comments were so hilarious I had to take a break for a while.

Posted by: CheeKy` Feb 18 2008, 12:48 PM

ST you are talking shit right there....

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You said what? "It aren't subgenres" now? Now you are not only misquoting Remixer, but you're mis-quoting yourself! But thanks for making that "clear"

Maybe READ what I type? I said both times that those arent subgenres from Trance.

Posted by: StefanDeath Feb 18 2008, 16:23 PM

QUOTE(CheeKy` @ Feb 18 2008, 13:48 PM) *

Maybe READ what I type? I said both times that those arent subgenres from Trance.

Maybe you should start reading what ST said to you...

Posted by: CheeKy` Feb 18 2008, 19:00 PM

Remixer says that those are subgenres of Trance. I say they arent..........So I dont really see what Im reading wrong lol....

QUOTE
What are you basing your "fact" on?? I don't think it's as clear cut as a "fact" imo... I really think the lyrics are almost irrelevant to a song's popularity or greatness. I can't help thinking of songs that hit number 1 on the top40... like "Around the World"

Thts something bs which I said since you were right lol wink.gif

Posted by: StarTrekker Feb 19 2008, 00:57 AM

FFS frusty.gif

Take ANOTHER look at what R3mix3r said. I'm not going to repeat myself again... if you can read you'll see it.

Seriously, this is amazing... this topic seems to bring out the highest levels of dumb posts laugh.gif

Posted by: Remixer Feb 19 2008, 01:45 AM

Whether they are sub-genres of Trance/Techno or not is pretty much irrelevant.

All the genres I listed belong to the Trance/Techno style of music...which in essence is "Electronica" as its umbrella genre.

Either way, this is getting out of hand... even about the smallest things you guys are arguing your shits out laugh.gif

Topic closed. smile.gif


Remixer

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