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# 101Sheriff AA Jan 22 2022, 16:44 PM
QUOTE(Warprism @ Jan 22 2022, 11:26 AM) *

This is really ridiculous : how AA, helped with Xouth or other members victimize the poor Andrey who get 2 weeks ban (it has been repeated like 5 times in case people are dumb like them).


There's no victimizing Andrey occurring here. Nobody here is attempting to dispute the fact that he's guilty - the only argument is if the severity of his punishment matches the severity of his actions. If that's not good enough for you, I'm more than happy to walk you through how to use shatabrick to find smurfs and show you how to remove a player from your Carville lobbys smile.gif

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And this topic turn into "all vs dimon". He reported Andrey, thats why AA and the rest have the need to humiliate him, victimize Andrey and make him like the bad guy sleep.gif

Just admit it honestly : you just want to kick our dimon from RA3 and/or mad him cause he reported Andrey, the poor victim. But we get used to troll like AA. Pathetic smile.gif


Dimon can report whoever he wants whenever he wants. None of us care. What caught us by surprise was Dimon suddenly caring about fair play in unranked games and his persistence in trying to get another player perma-banned from the server for it. For that I would agree that he's being rightfully ridiculed, but that's just my opinion and you don't have to agree smile.gif

QUOTE(Warprism @ Jan 22 2022, 12:12 PM) *

You quoting AA, you ageeing wiht AA against Dimon and finally taking side are facts and it's not my definition of "neutral".
Especially when you defend crashers or victimizing Andrey. What did you do to help de-escalating the discussion here ? n1qshok.gif


You can be neutral and still agree with points from both sides. Something tells me you'd have a much different opinion if someone besides Dimon actually agreed with any of your points. Maybe you ought to sit back and re-read what you've been saying in here to try making sense out of why nobody is agreeing with you.

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# 102Papa_Coming Jan 22 2022, 16:49 PM
QUOTE(Sheriff AA @ Jan 22 2022, 15:14 PM) *

Let's analyze bit by bit what XOUTH quoted from me.
This is a fact. No other RA3 player in the last 8 years has received any form or server ban. Not one.
Also a fact. Players are less inclined to break the rules if there are actual consequences.
Again, a fact. Repeat offenders receive increasingly severe sanctions as opposed to first time offenders.

So please elaborate how any of this is "complete BS"... oh right, anything/anyone that Dimon does not like should automatically be tossed out smile.gif


If they don't understand even this and say sorry for being ignorant to simple facts, then I don't think you should put more energy into explaining stuff to these simpletons. dimon and this guy noone knows. Who tf are you btw warsprism? He literally just write stuff with empty content (no arguing, just plain nothing) and its crazy frustrating that chris and other guys put energy into it. Just say sorry and end this.

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# 103Khay_ Jan 22 2022, 17:06 PM
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1. Permaban? There is absolutely no point in doing so. ANY. Any other game that is not ra3 included. You get banned, what do you do next? just create a new account lol. Staff already said, if any other reports against Andrey or whosoever, bans will only get more severe. This is the reality to cases like this but some people can't accept it.

Why talk about Andrey crashing when there are players that crash way more lol. Still, is it not obvious enough that permaban won't work? EA is not behind this game anymore making sure that the same player which is permaban cannot play again lol. There are so many ways around permaban biggrin.gif


If there is always the way around the permaban, what else could be possibly done tho? It sounds like giving bans is just pointless thing.
I thought admins can use some sort of serial key ban, or ip ban which would get rid of troublemaker forever, if the situation demands it.

But overall im glad there is some revitalization of fairplay rules going on. Tho, i would propose harsher punishments. People will not get discouraged by two week bans. Make it double. One month could be enough.

Also, Warprism should just delete himself.

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# 104~Fury~ Jan 22 2022, 22:53 PM
QUOTE(Khay_ @ Jan 22 2022, 17:06 PM) *

If there is always the way around the permaban, what else could be possibly done tho? It sounds like giving bans is just pointless thing.
I thought admins can use some sort of serial key ban, or ip ban which would get rid of troublemaker forever, if the situation demands it.

But overall im glad there is some revitalization of fairplay rules going on. Tho, i would propose harsher punishments. People will not get discouraged by two week bans. Make it double. One month could be enough.

Also, Warprism should just delete himself.


Since the root of the problem is crashing. Maybe pushing for the whole community to use Chris maps will solve this issue. Getting everyone to use those maps will be probably impossible still tongue.gif

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# 105Dimon0000000 Jan 24 2022, 10:42 AM
Sorry for little break, it's getting hard to find time to talk with this ppl.
AA, I want to clarify the situation. I prefer to ignore your messages, for me you became trash long time ago and I can't believe here exist ppl who respect you at least a bit and even listen you. But since they somehow exist...
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2 week ban is way more of a punishment than any RA3 player has received in the 8 year history of Revora server.
This is a fact. No other RA3 player in the last 8 years has received any form or server ban. Not one.

You partly show problem of this argument. Exactly, noone was banned for last 8 years. Why? Because fairplay system didn't work at all. No fairplay system - no punishments. It should be a reason to not give adequate punishment to player who deserve it? 1st punishment should be easy? In current case - patheticly easy? In my opinion, 1st punishment should be not less than adequate. Also like 2nd, 3rd, Xth. If you want to say player who did what andrey did don't deserve more than 2 weeks ban - there is nothing to talk about. In my opinion and i'm sure, opinion of any player who regularly get gamecrashes from random morons, it should be hard ban. Just for crash, I even don't count anything else. 5 mins ban for andrey - the biggest punishment for player in revora server history! This is FACT! So it means this 5 mins is enough big punishment! LOGIC.
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As a first strike, I'd say such punishment is sufficient because it discourages such behavior in the future.
Also a fact. Players are less inclined to break the rules if there are actual consequences.

It's right only in 1 case - when punishment is serious. 2 weeks - not punishment. But another FACT is soo strong argument.
Plz, more facts which means absolutly nothing. Dimon want 20$... Andrey stole Vindies passport for have at least 1 decent person in his boyband...AA got a foreign object in the colon and it affect on his intellectual opportunities...
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Dimon can report whoever he wants whenever he wants. None of us care. What caught us by surprise was Dimon suddenly caring about fair play in unranked games and his persistence in trying to get another player perma-banned from the server for it. For that I would agree that he's being rightfully ridiculed, but that's just my opinion and you don't have to agree smile.gif

This is something what really impressed me. Let's think what are ranked games today... 1v1 games on 1.12 maps, when most of serious 1v1 are on 1.12.6. Why ranked games are important? Cause they give points in ladder and let players join LWs. And for join LWs you need to be in top 4...10...20...top 40... maybe top 100 now? I'm not sure. Anyway, more than enough for all active players. And even if you didn't come in top 100 - you anyway can ask Rage and he will let you join LWs. "ranked" games are not actual for much years. So you suggest to count only ranked games? Does it mean you suggest free crashes for 99% games? But fuck ranked games. What if game was unranked? Players in unrakned games like to get gamecrash? They don't deserve normal games? Fairplay in unranked games is nothing? This is biggest BS I ever seen from you. And I already seen some ***** repeat it. I'm sorry, if I'll insult someone here, even you, my message probably will be removed. Despite the fact andrey do it free. But I officially claim, anyone who say something like "andrey got banned for crash in UNRAKNED game WTF" - should ask for medical help asap. Now imagine here biggest insult you know - it's for you. With biggest respect from me, absolutly seriously.
"Noone of us" - you really think you can talk for someone else? You left this game much years ago. You not gonna play again. Only think what make ppl remember about you is your regular "activicy" on forum. BS spamming only. For any reason. Just to shit on ppl you don't like. Absolutly useless. Someone asked Warprism here - who the fuck you are? I can repeat this question to you. How you even related to this game? But you keep come and give your nonsense opinion like someone want it. You are lower than obiek and warprism, they at least play this game.

And to ppl who support Andrey. One of my messages had been removed, probably cause there I wrote something like "Andrey's monkeys". I can explain what I meant. For me human imply freedom of speaking and thinking. Human must be able to judge the situation by his own mind. Human must build his own opinion, doesn't matter what others say. And defend his opinion. I'm fair player. I never did gamecrashes, teamkills, intentional bugabusing and other dirty things. I don't accept someone use it, especially vs me. I also have here friends and just ppl I like and respect. Chris is my friend. But if tomorrow he will begin to crash games or do something else I can't accept, I'll tell him what I think. I'll say about it anywhere I want. I'll be against it. Defend him will be the last possible thing I can do. And doens't matter, who was his victim. He can crash games of AA, for me it's the same. This is why I'm here, almost alone, defending fairplay and common sense. I'm human, I build my own independent opinion, I believe it's right and defend it. And I respect ppl who do the same. And when someone mention how much ppl support andrey, only thing I can do is smile. When someone keep support person after gamecrash or teamkill or other crap, there is no Anything to respect.

AA - I not gonna spend my time on you anymore. For me you are over.

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# 106Dimon0000000 Jan 24 2022, 10:45 AM
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it is a true,i crashed over 100 games.As i said i can crash 10000 games ,cheesing ,being toxic ,and ppl will be on my site and nobody on dimon`s.Question why?

Only man who noticed this message is me? Where all this ppl who defend fairplay system? Where all this ppl who defend andrey? Rage of Heat? ToxicShock? Any comments? Everyone is ok with it? Hello? I think I'll repost this message until I get banned. Will be funny situation.

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# 107XOUTH Jan 24 2022, 11:28 AM
QUOTE(Dimon0000000 @ Jan 24 2022, 11:45 AM) *
Only man who noticed this message is me? Where all this ppl who defend fairplay system? Where all this ppl who defend andrey? Rage of Heat? ToxicShock? Any comments? Everyone is ok with it? Hello? I think I'll repost this message until I get banned. Will be funny situation.

We're not repeating our point of view over and over again, nor do we give dubious and troll comments a stage

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# 108Warprism Jan 24 2022, 17:43 PM
The real problem here is you keep ignoring the fact that giving 2 weeks ban is just a joke for crashs, troll, impersonate (countless fake smurf on his main account besides yuno and bashley), insults and swear to start over.

AA keep repeating like a dog : it's just unranked, so its 2 weeks is more than enough. But what you guys dont get it is crashing 5 people who never deserve this shameful move.
Furthermore, making difference between ranked and unranked is pointless actually. Sanctions should be equal for any kind of games and more severe when it precisely involve more players who get crashed and restart over the game because of troll who WANT and HAPPY to crash.

You guys love to vicitimize yourself (bad warprism "targetting" staff, bla bla bla) but dont say a word when it come to Andrey who take you for fool (look at his answer when it comes to explain himself). Its so easy for you to make "simple" statement liek that when you dont want to understand the real issue here. Closing your eyes is your only way to protect him and save the appearance for this community.

Eventually having someone who left RA3 scene and comes here just to reply to me or dimon for the fun and with retarded arguments (did i mentionned AA?), is amusing when its not despicable. But he used to do it for years when it comes to flame dimon.

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# 109Dutcharmy Jan 24 2022, 18:10 PM
warpirsm you legit bug abuse ingame idk why you're even talking

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# 110Warprism Jan 24 2022, 18:25 PM
Dutcharmy you legit crash games. Why you even talking

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# 111Feanor Jan 24 2022, 19:26 PM
I have an idea Warprism, as you seem so hellbent on catching and punishing cheaters. Why don't you take up the gauntlet, apply for Fair Play Specialist and assist the RA3 staff with this?

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# 112Sheriff AA Jan 24 2022, 21:20 PM
Dimon this was never meant to go personal, but since you've once again decided to take it there you leave me no choice. Apologies to everyone who doesn't care at all about this drama.

QUOTE(Dimon0000000 @ Jan 24 2022, 06:42 AM) *

Sorry for little break, it's getting hard to find time to talk with this ppl.
AA, I want to clarify the situation. I prefer to ignore your messages, for me you became trash long time ago and I can't believe here exist ppl who respect you at least a bit and even listen you. But since they somehow exist...


No offense taken as I've always viewed you as trash from the very first time you opened your mouth in my direction. Garnering respect from you hasn't and will never be on my bucket list.

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You partly show problem of this argument. Exactly, noone was banned for last 8 years. Why? Because fairplay system didn't work at all. No fairplay system - no punishments. It should be a reason to not give adequate punishment to player who deserve it? 1st punishment should be easy? In current case - patheticly easy? In my opinion, 1st punishment should be not less than adequate. Also like 2nd, 3rd, Xth. If you want to say player who did what andrey did don't deserve more than 2 weeks ban - there is nothing to talk about. In my opinion and i'm sure, opinion of any player who regularly get gamecrashes from random morons, it should be hard ban. Just for crash, I even don't count anything else. 5 mins ban for andrey - the biggest punishment for player in revora server history! This is FACT! So it means this 5 mins is enough big punishment! LOGIC.


How is 2 week punishment too easy? You really think such punishment won't send the message of "we can take action, this is your warning to stop"? You really think Andrey is going to come back, keep crashing, and receive 2 week punishment each time? You said it yourself - it's strictly your opinion that 1st time punishments should be more severe. I'm certainly glad that nobody here besides Warprism shares that same sentiment smile.gif

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It's right only in 1 case - when punishment is serious. 2 weeks - not punishment. But another FACT is soo strong argument.
Plz, more facts which means absolutly nothing. Dimon want 20$... Andrey stole Vindies passport for have at least 1 decent person in his boyband...AA got a foreign object in the colon and it affect on his intellectual opportunities...


This is borderline incomprehensible... maybe work on your insults a bit more before pressing submit?

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This is something what really impressed me. Let's think what are ranked games today... 1v1 games on 1.12 maps, when most of serious 1v1 are on 1.12.6. Why ranked games are important? Cause they give points in ladder and let players join LWs. And for join LWs you need to be in top 4...10...20...top 40... maybe top 100 now? I'm not sure. Anyway, more than enough for all active players. And even if you didn't come in top 100 - you anyway can ask Rage and he will let you join LWs. "ranked" games are not actual for much years. So you suggest to count only ranked games?


Even on the old GameSpy servers, fair play offenses were handled for ranked games only. The reason is those games are the only thing where anything is truly at stake. Yes, game crashing/DCing can affect ladder rankings. Regardless of how easy it might be for someone like you or me to qualify for LWs, the same can't be said for every player here. Same thing goes if you crash, DC, or use exploit in tournament games. Those hold higher weight since there is prizes at stake.

In 3v3 or 2v2v2 game that gets crashed... what exactly are you being cheated out of? A +1 in your win column in main lobby? Yes I understand it can be annoying and I'm not saying such behavior is okay, but is it really worth the time to get this worked up over and demand instant permanent bans when the easier thing to do is... just not play with them? Think about that, honestly.

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Does it mean you suggest free crashes for 99% games? But fuck ranked games. What if game was unranked? Players in unrakned games like to get gamecrash? They don't deserve normal games? Fairplay in unranked games is nothing? This is biggest BS I ever seen from you. And I already seen some ***** repeat it. I'm sorry, if I'll insult someone here, even you, my message probably will be removed. Despite the fact andrey do it free. But I officially claim, anyone who say something like "andrey got banned for crash in UNRAKNED game WTF" - should ask for medical help asap.


Fairplay in unranked games isn't nothing, it just holds significantly less weight than ranked or tournament games for reasons already stated above. If you can't accept that and can only resort to throwing a temper tantrum with insults over not getting your way, then all I can do is sit back and shake my head.

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Now imagine here biggest insult you know - it's for you. With biggest respect from me, absolutly seriously.
"Noone of us" - you really think you can talk for someone else? You left this game much years ago. You not gonna play again. Only think what make ppl remember about you is your regular "activicy" on forum. BS spamming only. For any reason. Just to shit on ppl you don't like. Absolutly useless. Someone asked Warprism here - who the fuck you are? I can repeat this question to you. How you even related to this game? But you keep come and give your nonsense opinion like someone want it. You are lower than obiek and warprism, they at least play this game.


I think I can speak for a large majority of people who either don't care enough to respond or have to maintain a certain level of professionalism and can't get personally involved one way or the other. Yes, I left some time ago but I still care for the well-being of the game and the community and won't shy away from giving an opinion. My intentions here and in many threads were never "BS spamming only" nor shit on you simply because it's you, contrary to whatever fantasy you believe.

My main question here is this - why the sudden passion for fair play and demanding of perma-bans? Don't even try to convince me that Andrey crashing you was the first time you'd ever been game crashed. Where were all of your fair play reports and demands for perma-bans then? Where was this same energy when guys like berat were crashing/bug abusing in every game and in tournaments? It don't add up... until we take a look at posts like this.

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Engis are not op. Things which transport them are op. Riptides are OP. Vindicators are OP. Turrets are OP. I played like shit. I'm sure, Pika can say the same about himself. But score is 1-4. Where I won BBB just cause Pika miss BO with random shit moves. Where II he autowin free by random push, CR he autowin free by random push, IS he autowin free cause of my single mistake in game I dominated hard, TP he autowin cause when sov go flaks vs vindicators, allies can just go riptides and just by right using of them can block absolutly all opportunities of sov and sov can't do a shit except stupid staying on 2 refs base and use all units to defend while allies do w e he want free. Pika didn't do anything special, he just showed how allies can be abused for spam free wins soo easily. I understand low mids getting orgasms of this BS but there is no anything hard for good player to do. Soo nice to play when you have easy autowin ways vs everything opponent can do and opponent must play like a god and practice 24/7 to be able to counter it. I'm soo tired of this BS.


And suddenly it all starts to click (one of many posts btw, there's several more where you specifically refer to Andrey as "allied abuser"). It follows the same pattern as the time you tried to remove the harvester ghost walk as a balance change disguised as a "bug fix". You might be able to fool the simpletons here but anyone with a clue can see all of this.

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And to ppl who support Andrey. One of my messages had been removed, probably cause there I wrote something like "Andrey's monkeys". I can explain what I meant. For me human imply freedom of speaking and thinking. Human must be able to judge the situation by his own mind. Human must build his own opinion, doesn't matter what others say. And defend his opinion. I'm fair player. I never did gamecrashes, teamkills, intentional bugabusing and other dirty things. I don't accept someone use it, especially vs me. I also have here friends and just ppl I like and respect. Chris is my friend. But if tomorrow he will begin to crash games or do something else I can't accept, I'll tell him what I think. I'll say about it anywhere I want. I'll be against it. Defend him will be the last possible thing I can do. And doens't matter, who was his victim. He can crash games of AA, for me it's the same. This is why I'm here, almost alone, defending fairplay and common sense. I'm human, I build my own independent opinion, I believe it's right and defend it. And I respect ppl who do the same. And when someone mention how much ppl support andrey, only thing I can do is smile. When someone keep support person after gamecrash or teamkill or other crap, there is no Anything to respect.


This is just simply not true. I voiced an opinion and defended it, then got called a monkey and "a person a foreign object in the colon and it affect on his intellectual opportunities". You respect someone's opinion until it's one that clashes with your own, or if it comes from someone you don't view as "adequate". Don't play the good guy card now after already showing everyone here your true colors smile.gif

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AA - I not gonna spend my time on you anymore. For me you are over.


That would be fantastic actually - but something tells me it won't hold up because you've said this many times before and yet here we are wink.gif

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# 113c9q9md Jan 25 2022, 02:26 AM
I have gathered my thoughts for a bit and I am finally ready to contribute to this thread.
I have concluded that playing fair is good and that playing unfair is not good.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

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# 114Cervanthes Jan 27 2022, 13:42 PM
QUOTE(Feanor @ Jan 24 2022, 19:26 PM) *

I have an idea Warprism, as you seem so hellbent on catching and punishing cheaters. Why don't you take up the gauntlet, apply for Fair Play Specialist and assist the RA3 staff with this?

Fantastic idea, I could use a helping hand over there biggrin.gif It's not even that hard to learn if you have the right mentors it actually becomes easy to understand

QUOTE(c9q9md @ Jan 25 2022, 02:26 AM) *

I have gathered my thoughts for a bit and I am finally ready to contribute to this thread.
I have concluded that playing fair is good and that playing unfair is not good.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

:applause: magnificent and inspiring, truly a masterwork

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# 115Dimon0000000 Jan 27 2022, 14:09 PM
Yes plz, make Warprism ra3 staff. And AA too, maybe also Andrey, as fairplay specialist obviously.

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# 116c9q9md Jan 29 2022, 19:55 PM
For well over a decade cheaters were never punished. I think that finally being able to hold people accountable for their actions is a major step in the right direction. Dimon, I understand that you may find these punishments to be too soft(And that stance is entirely justified), but I think you are sort of missing the point in regards to the significance of this. The punishments will get more severe with each infraction. 2 weeks is just the "first time offence" after implementing this rule. If Andrey or anyone else keeps behaving poorly after the initial convictions, their punishments will of course get more severe. I think everybody wants to play in a fair environment that isn't riddled with flamers and cheaters.

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# 117Kkong76 Jan 30 2022, 11:50 AM
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For well over a decade cheaters were never punished. I think that finally being able to hold people accountable for their actions is a major step in the right direction. Dimon, I understand that you may find these punishments to be too soft(And that stance is entirely justified), but I think you are sort of missing the point in regards to the significance of this. The punishments will get more severe with each infraction. 2 weeks is just the "first time offence" after implementing this rule. If Andrey or anyone else keeps behaving poorly after the initial convictions, their punishments will of course get more severe. I think everybody wants to play in a fair environment that isn't riddled with flamers and cheaters.


++ well said smile.gif

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# 118Warprism Jan 30 2022, 11:54 AM
QUOTE(Feanor @ Jan 24 2022, 19:26 PM) *

I have an idea Warprism, as you seem so hellbent on catching and punishing cheaters. Why don't you take up the gauntlet, apply for Fair Play Specialist and assist the RA3 staff with this?

Since im not the one reporting (so im not catching cheaters) and junior staff don't decide about punishment, im not interested in fair play position rolleyes.gif

You should associate dimon for fair sanctions about cheaters/crashers/bug abusers/desyncers/disconnecters smile.gif

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# 119Dimon0000000 Jan 30 2022, 13:12 PM
QUOTE(c9q9md @ Jan 30 2022, 05:55 AM) *

For well over a decade cheaters were never punished. I think that finally being able to hold people accountable for their actions is a major step in the right direction. Dimon, I understand that you may find these punishments to be too soft(And that stance is entirely justified), but I think you are sort of missing the point in regards to the significance of this. The punishments will get more severe with each infraction. 2 weeks is just the "first time offence" after implementing this rule. If Andrey or anyone else keeps behaving poorly after the initial convictions, their punishments will of course get more severe. I think everybody wants to play in a fair environment that isn't riddled with flamers and cheaters.

Man, I can understand 2 weeks ban for player, who did it 1st time, who have no idea about fairplay, maybe some lenitive factors idk. But not for active member of this community, who crashed over 100 games(his words) and ok with crash more, who teamkill ppl report on him and using names of other players for that, same time come here and spit in the face of ppl who trying to do something with it. I understand it's bad for community to lose decent active player, but exist limits. For me gamecrasher is not a player and I wish nothing except real punishment for things he did. 2 weeks in this case is self-humiliation and admitting one's own powerlessness. They just forgive him and bless for future endeavors, maybe less public, no more. Maybe he will forbit his slaves to stream games with him and don't talk about his crashes anymore.

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# 120Khay_ Jan 30 2022, 13:20 PM
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Man, I can understand 2 weeks ban for player, who did it 1st time, who have no idea about fairplay, maybe some lenitive factors idk. But not for active member of this community, who crashed over 100 games(his words) and ok with crash more, who teamkill ppl report on him and using names of other players for that, same time come here and spit in the face of ppl who trying to do something with it. I understand it's bad for community to lose decent active player, but exist limits. For me gamecrasher is not a player and I wish nothing except real punishment for things he did. 2 weeks in this case is self-humiliation and admitting one's own powerlessness. They just forgive him and bless for future endeavors, maybe less public, no more. Maybe he will forbit his slaves to stream games with him and don't talk about his crashes anymore.


Unpopular opinion

I agree with this. ^^

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