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Posted by: gav73 Jul 29 2009, 04:01 AM

Hey

Can you guys let us know what you think of our teamwork and combo on this map.Can you spot any glaring weaknesses or BO mistakes??


Thanks

BTW it's Fend3r and Fateat


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Posted by: fateat Jul 30 2009, 14:47 PM

The only glaring mistakes I can see are from the USA player. laugh.gif Looks to me like Bill's play is absolutely perfect besides the lack of troop crawler use to deal with the bunker in front of his base. But hey it would have been too pro to use a TC and Bill is obviously just a noob tongue.gif

Posted by: Maximus- Jul 30 2009, 16:28 PM

I believe Zayron wrote a guide about playing USA/CHINA on this map tongue.gif Easy findable tbh tongue.gif

Posted by: gav73 Jul 30 2009, 19:45 PM

QUOTE(fateat @ Jul 30 2009, 15:47 PM) *

The only glaring mistakes I can see are from the USA player. laugh.gif Looks to me like Bill's play is absolutely perfect besides the lack of troop crawler use to deal with the bunker in front of his base. But hey it would have been too pro to use a TC and Bill is obviously just a noob tongue.gif



100 posts Alex congrats. thumb.gif


Somewhat fitting that the mementous occasion of reaching your century of posts is totally wasted on you talking garbage. smile.gif

cool2.gif

Posted by: Trixx Jul 31 2009, 10:13 AM

You guys are funny. tongue.gif

Posted by: fateat Jul 31 2009, 14:57 PM

GavZor, I think we need to change this strat from gat/md to gat/pali. Plus I need to use some units to protect my front supply. In a spam strat like this, if I lose my supply, I might as well just give up. Also shouldn't we spam just one of the players hard in the beginning? I'm just brainstorming here, you are the "scheming Scot" who decides the strategies anyway! I am just the muscle (mostly just chubby), you are the brains.

Posted by: gav73 Jul 31 2009, 15:55 PM

Yeah some work to be done on this.Haze and TVR showed weaknesess last night. VeryFunny.gif cakes tbh.I still think that if we contained TVR's attack whilst working on Haze the outcome might have been different.Spam some tonight?????

Posted by: fateat Jul 31 2009, 16:33 PM

yeah we definitely need to spam some. I need to spam some 1v1 CvCs also, against good players I often find myself in a position to win, and lose because I get outmicroed. Its about time I start to learn how to do it.

Posted by: gav73 Jul 31 2009, 16:58 PM

Found this Alex....

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=103603

Posted by: fateat Jul 31 2009, 17:56 PM

yeah we should probably just try to perfect Skynny's strat.

Posted by: ^Zayron- Jul 31 2009, 19:25 PM

no,skynny's strat sux xD just do mine!!! biggrin.gif nice to see someone is reading my work tbh laugh.gif

Posted by: fateat Jul 31 2009, 19:35 PM

Zayron doesn't your strat involve pali/gat spam? can you please put a link to your strategy guide for CU on FE? I think your strategy guides are the easiest to understand. They are also easily understood by players not of your Pro]Z[oR status.

Posted by: ^Zayron- Jul 31 2009, 20:21 PM

mine is a gat/pali from usa's side, and gat/mds from china's one tongue.gif but ofc u can adapt and change things tongue.gif just adapt using the best way! wink.gif

ask hater for the link laugh.gif

Posted by: fateat Jul 31 2009, 20:55 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Jul 31 2009, 20:21 PM) *

mine is a gat/pali from usa's side, and gat/mds from china's one tongue.gif but ofc u can adapt and change things tongue.gif just adapt using the best way! wink.gif

ask hater for the link laugh.gif


Lets see if he just has a 6th sense and finds this...

Que Hater...

Posted by: gav73 Jul 31 2009, 22:39 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Jul 31 2009, 21:21 PM) *

mine is a gat/pali from usa's side, and gat/mds from china's one tongue.gif but ofc u can adapt and change things tongue.gif just adapt using the best way! wink.gif

ask hater for the link laugh.gif



TVR said no way that dual or triple rax is gonna work

Posted by: gav73 Aug 1 2009, 16:53 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Jul 31 2009, 20:25 PM) *

no,skynny's strat sux xD just do mine!!! biggrin.gif nice to see someone is reading my work tbh laugh.gif



Zay

Mabye Fat and me meet up and spam some with you and Hater.I know you guys love working on strats.Mabye play some then switch up teams and share strats and tips, also share Hater jokes tongue.gif

Posted by: ^Zayron- Aug 2 2009, 12:44 PM

hater is not that good at playing CCG but sounds a nice idea to me biggrin.gif

Posted by: -Chemical- Aug 3 2009, 11:01 AM

I can play instead of hater biggrin.gif

Posted by: ^Zayron- Aug 3 2009, 17:40 PM

great! xD just w8 for the 7th tongue.gif

Posted by: fateat Aug 4 2009, 17:17 PM

That would be awesome if we could play some learning 2v2s with you guys. I got thrust into the TD 1v1 scene pretty fast and never really played 2v2s or learned how to play them.

Posted by: ^Zayron- Aug 4 2009, 18:54 PM

Oh, you are missing a great part of CCG! 2v2s are the best games you can get tbh, you just need a good partner and 2 good opponents to have great fights and enjoy the game even more! biggrin.gif

Posted by: gav73 Aug 7 2009, 07:31 AM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Aug 4 2009, 19:54 PM) *

Oh, you are missing a great part of CCG! 2v2s are the best games you can get tbh, you just need a good partner and 2 good opponents to have great fights and enjoy the game even more! biggrin.gif



mmmmmmm

Or play two noobs biggrin.gif

Posted by: Trixx Aug 7 2009, 07:51 AM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Aug 4 2009, 20:54 PM) *

Oh, you are missing a great part of CCG! 3v3s are the best games you can get tbh, you just need 2 good partners and 3 good opponents to have great fights and enjoy the game even more! biggrin.gif


Posted by: -Chemical- Aug 7 2009, 08:53 AM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Aug 4 2009, 20:54 PM) *

Oh, you are missing a great part of CCG! 2v2s are the best games you can get tbh, you just need a good partner and 2 good opponents to have great fights and enjoy the game even more! biggrin.gif

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Posted by: ^Zayron- Aug 7 2009, 10:32 AM

Too long for a sig,huh? tongue.gif

Posted by: Trixx Aug 7 2009, 10:34 AM

Who`d put that into his sig? LOL!

Posted by: ^Zayron- Aug 7 2009, 11:10 AM

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lol nice one tongue.gif

Posted by: MayNotMeanNothing Apr 16 2010, 11:55 AM

Lol both are awsome, 3v3 was were I started.

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Posted by: Skynny Jun 21 2010, 19:25 PM

Gat/Pala and MD to China side is best strat IMO. Gat/MD is OK, but not realistic since it's too slow.

Posted by: DesireNNNNNNNN Oct 6 2010, 06:42 AM

China take safe, USA Go 1 Supp, China bunker his side, make 1 WF at safe supply, gat spam to USA. USA come with Pala MD combo game ova

Posted by: Diamond- Oct 25 2010, 22:59 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Jul 31 2009, 20:21 PM) *

mine is a gat/pali from usa's side, and gat/mds from china's one tongue.gif but ofc u can adapt and change things tongue.gif just adapt using the best way! wink.gif

ask hater for the link laugh.gif


That strat needs much to much micro and a single mistake on china side is fast failure with fast upcoming loss. Perfect micro necessary, but still too much distracting. A very passive and more or less slow strat leading to a campy game.

QUOTE(Skynny @ Jun 21 2010, 19:25 PM) *

Gat/Pala and MD to China side is best strat IMO. Gat/MD is OK, but not realistic since it's too slow.


As above stated, paladin/gat on usa's side is ok, but china's side is too weak then, and rush is very slow -> same opinion as skynny.


QUOTE(DesireNNNNNNNN @ Oct 6 2010, 06:42 AM) *

China take safe, USA Go 1 Supp, China bunker his side, make 1 WF at safe supply, gat spam to USA. USA come with Pala MD combo game ova


Not as good either, as China tries to just hold off the rush from USA. Strat fails fast if china faces a fast rush, and if USA gets doubled fast, china can do nothing to help him. Weak again.

I do have the same opinion as squaak, USA going for fast cross drop after 1 (or 2, depending on opponent armies) supplies, while china is fast pressuring hard its opponent to finish off quickly. Just micro properly at the the main spots, while usa's base can switch fast and doesn't need high priority to be protected -> meaning faster and superior rush vs any slower strats relying on multitaking capability of the players.

Speed is the key when skill is more or less equal!

Posted by: ^Zayron- Oct 26 2010, 18:05 PM

Skynny said what I said ohmy.gif


Oh btw, it's slow but you can't stop that in most of cases, as you can see in the last 8 games we played laugh.gif


On a sidenote, also works what Justin said, as you can see in the reps vs Deadclown+Naab :l

Posted by: Diamond- Oct 28 2010, 19:32 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Oct 26 2010, 18:05 PM) *

Skynny said what I said ohmy.gif
Oh btw, it's slow but you can't stop that in most of cases, as you can see in the last 8 games we played laugh.gif
On a sidenote, also works what Justin said, as you can see in the reps vs Deadclown+Naab :l


No zayron - you are talking of games I played with an underpowered teampartner - which says NOTHING. Give me squaak, stu, danzor or someone on this level, and you will see how this strat will fail vs a faster played rush. I didn't say your strat totally sucks, I just said it has its weak points, and the micro-thing can be a huge disadvantage: 1 second you cannot spend attention can be enough to let your md's die vs enemy gat(s), then it's game over for china side most likely.

Or the other way round, if your strong side (USA + China WF) gets a fast double facing a dual china WF + USA rax drop, game is over as well, same btw if a gla is tt'ing the china or the usa WF.

Your strat is campy and can work, if enemies do play 1v1 each side. Your rush is delayed and therfore not strong enough in the very begin.

Posted by: ^Zayron- Oct 30 2010, 09:26 AM

There are differences either if you're playing against 2 china or china\gla. I dont recommend this strat vs a USA.


ANyway, I'm talking abut the games we had after I had a break of severals months and Diego a break of a year or so post-13661-1143531603.gif And I'd like to underline that this strat requires a lot of micro, so.. whistling.gif

Posted by: trve^viking Oct 30 2010, 13:06 PM

QUOTE(Diamond- @ Oct 28 2010, 19:32 PM) *

No zayron - you are talking of games I played with an underpowered teampartner - which says NOTHING. Give me squaak, stu, danzor or someone on this level, and you will see how this strat will fail vs a faster played rush. I didn't say your strat totally sucks, I just said it has its weak points, and the micro-thing can be a huge disadvantage: 1 second you cannot spend attention can be enough to let your md's die vs enemy gat(s), then it's game over for china side most likely.

Or the other way round, if your strong side (USA + China WF) gets a fast double facing a dual china WF + USA rax drop, game is over as well, same btw if a gla is tt'ing the china or the usa WF.

Your strat is campy and can work, if enemies do play 1v1 each side. Your rush is delayed and therfore not strong enough in the very begin.


yea "give me squaak,stu,danzor" who would not win with that guys as m8? tongue.gif

Posted by: DesireNNNNNNNN Oct 30 2010, 16:26 PM

QUOTE


Not as good either, as China tries to just hold off the rush from USA. Strat fails fast if china faces a fast rush, and if USA gets doubled fast, china can do nothing to help him. Weak again.






lol man what are you saying, how is usa gonna get doubled fast when you spamm all your gats to USA base. also if USA rushes your china, you have two bunkers at your entrances, mine your supplies and you have a rax their, you can hold it off with that. The Gat Pali comes so fast to china with decent micro theirs not much they can do.

Posted by: DesireNNNNNNNN Oct 30 2010, 16:31 PM

QUOTE
Just micro properly at the the main spots, while usa's base can switch fast and doesn't need high priority to be protected -> meaning faster and superior rush vs any slower strats relying on multitaking capability of the players.


And USA Base doesnt have a high priority to be pretected? Lol, thats something new i've heard.


Posted by: Diamond- Nov 1 2010, 09:50 AM

um... I truely think you do not understand what I am stating here:

You know what is faster? gat/pali or a drop?
And I am not the only one that is of the opinion that zayrons strat advice might be the best. It's strong, but not the best imo.

Posted by: DoMbErMaN Nov 1 2010, 12:04 PM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Oct 30 2010, 14:06 PM) *

yea "give me squaak,stu,danzor" who would not win with that guys as m8? tongue.gif


i noticed that u felt into ur old schema...to answer every post from me or diamond with an opposite oppinion... i wanna repeat u in this way and wanna say "a bit lame after years now"


Posted by: trve^viking Nov 1 2010, 14:34 PM

no, iam just saying that its a weak argument...i wouldve said that aswell if any1 else postet it, i rly try to be as nice as possible tho tongue.gif

Posted by: DoMbErMaN Nov 1 2010, 15:01 PM

i dont see the point if zayron playin with danzor and diamond with an unknown guy??? for sure he has a good point if he asked to play with his fav mate stu for example or just answered "let me play with danzor then"

Posted by: trve^viking Nov 1 2010, 15:49 PM

its about the strat and not the guys who play vs it, ofc its possible to win when u have the best players in ur team, zayron said he and his m8 were inactive a long time so its a fair matchup imo.
at least u could say that the good players argument is same bs then the "he have a bad m8" argument.
but lets drop it, 2 v 2 isnt my thing anyway tongue.gif

Posted by: Diamond- Nov 1 2010, 16:07 PM

yes I didn't take that as offense tbh, but anyways, if zayron thinks he is the best when playing me nearly 2v1 - ok. Btw, he played with one of his best 2v2 mates, so why should't I be allowed to pick one of my favorite 2v2 mates as well?

Or zayron, maybe: Let's play this and you get just some average random dude, will you complain after or not?

Again, your strat does't suck at all, I never said that, it's just that it has too many weak points in my eyes. Please scroll up, I won't repeat me again now.

Posted by: DesireNNNNNNNN Nov 2 2010, 18:17 PM

QUOTE(Diamond- @ Nov 1 2010, 05:50 AM) *

um... I truely think you do not understand what I am stating here:

You know what is faster? gat/pali or a drop?
And I am not the only one that is of the opinion that zayrons strat advice might be the best. It's strong, but not the best imo.


lol every fucking strat has weak points. USA being on the map when theirs a china on the map is a weak point in itself.

You got players who know what their talking about, whove played the game for a while telling you that this strat is the hardest to beat yet you deny deny deny.

The drop is faster obviously, but wtf are you going to drop? USA? China? Their both prepared... That would just take the oposing USA almost completley out of the game leaving china to get raped.


Posted by: squaak Nov 2 2010, 19:15 PM

QUOTE(DesireNNNNNNNN @ Nov 2 2010, 20:17 PM) *

lol every fucking strat has weak points. USA being on the map when theirs a china on the map is a weak point in itself.

You got players who know what their talking about, whove played the game for a while telling you that this strat is the hardest to beat yet you deny deny deny.

The drop is faster obviously, but wtf are you going to drop? USA? China? Their both prepared... That would just take the oposing USA almost completley out of the game leaving china to get raped.

I agree with Diamond as I'm the one who made up the early drop double rush U+C.
The goal is to rush China very hard. Usa drop md's,send rockvee and drop paladin while being on 1 supply 2 nooks. During this time his china allie goes for 2 wf on 1 sup and spamm gats/bm to kill the china very fast. There is not much you can do against such a rush.
Once china is dead, the usa player can base swap very fast and its like 2v1.
Too bad you weren't online in November and December 2009 when Deadclovvn and me experimented this pwnage tactic.

Posted by: ^Zayron- Nov 2 2010, 19:33 PM

You can't really do this strat against an USA, as a pat drop in the middle can be devastating. (As I said already)



Anyway, Diamond, I now realize what you're talking about: your ego got hurt because you lost those games and even if I didn't say anything about me being better than you, you felt like taking this "revenge" stating my strategy sucks and you had not a good mate.

First of all, since you really want this: I'M FUCKING BETTER THAN YOU AT ANY MATCH UPS, ON EVERY SORT OF MAPS BOTH IN 1v1s AND 2v2s AND 3v3s AND 4v4s.

Secondly: I cannot play with someone who doesn't know the strategy. It's not that wise to exlain the strategy to a guy who's never seen it before while playing. Moreover Diego is not THAT skilled from my SUPERPR0+++ point of view, he was 98 in top100 players of all time; but since you're not that good I assume he looks very powerful. Anyway, Diego is "good" not because he has an awesome micro, but because we've played a lot of times togheter. If I remember correctly you had Domberman as your teamm8. Now, you want me to seriously believe you played less than 50 games with him even if you both have cics? eyebrow.gif


Posted by: squaak Nov 2 2010, 19:54 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Nov 2 2010, 21:33 PM) *

You can't really do this strat against an USA, as a pat drop in the middle can be devastating. (As I said already)


Um no the strat is especially good in U/C mirror. I don't understand what you mean by a pat drop in the middle.
If you mean in the middle map, around the bridge, to slow down the china rush, I guess my drop will come at same time so there is no way you can keep your dozer alive and complete the pat against 2 md's.
If you meant pat drop to middle supply, that's not a problem since we don't use them at early game.

Posted by: ^Zayron- Nov 2 2010, 20:04 PM

I'll tell you in an example. (if I remember correctly some games vs iain and Adam)

(UC mirror ofc) Me and diego go for our strategy, he make a wf in his base and a wf at safe supply. They drop doz+2mds at our safe. Patriot > supply\wf. mds killing both china's and usa's dozers.

Posted by: squaak Nov 2 2010, 20:20 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Nov 2 2010, 22:04 PM) *

I'll tell you in an example. (if I remember correctly some games vs iain and Adam)

(UC mirror ofc) Me and diego go for our strategy, he make a wf in his base and a wf at safe supply. They drop doz+2mds at our safe. Patriot > supply\wf. mds killing both china's and usa's dozers.

Yes sure its total suicide then.

Your strat would most likely work against C+G since U+C is dominant in 2v2.

Altough you would probably have much trouble to beat dual china at a good level cause they would spamm gat/bm's from 4 wf's.

Posted by: DesireNNNNNNNN Nov 2 2010, 21:04 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Nov 2 2010, 15:15 PM) *

I agree with Diamond as I'm the one who made up the early drop double rush U+C.
The goal is to rush China very hard. Usa drop md's,send rockvee and drop paladin while being on 1 supply 2 nooks. During this time his china allie goes for 2 wf on 1 sup and spamm gats/bm to kill the china very fast. There is not much you can do against such a rush.
Once china is dead, the usa player can base swap very fast and its like 2v1.
Too bad you weren't online in November and December 2009 when Deadclovvn and me experimented this pwnage tactic.


Seems like a pretty good strat, but it would be interesting to see how it would fair vs the strat im talking about. if your able to kill the china dozer with the MD then it would beat it, but if you dont succeed, a couple TH will kill the dozer and then bunkers will be up before china can get their. And thats when the double on your china comes. until they dont have money.

Posted by: Diamond- Nov 2 2010, 22:01 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Nov 2 2010, 19:33 PM) *

First of all, since you really want this: I'M FUCKING BETTER THAN YOU AT ANY MATCH UPS, ON EVERY SORT OF MAPS BOTH IN 1v1s AND 2v2s AND 3v3s AND 4v4s.


to write in capslock:

NO I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE biggrin.gif

I consider you as slightly better in certain matchups on certain maps (1v1), in 2v2 I don't like to say I'm better, but neither are you. You underestimate my 2v2 skill.

Anyways zayron, nothing personally but what about you come back online and we play tons of 2v2's?

(I am not talking of a few games only)


Furthermore: thanks squaak, finally someone who shares my opinion(s) smile.gif

And to state the comment of DesireNNNNNNNN:
Ofc every strat has its weak points, but the "zayron strat" has much more weak points than one squaak described once again.
OK to finish this: different opinions, different strats, different players.... just come online and play. wink.gif

Posted by: DesireNNNNNNNN Nov 3 2010, 00:51 AM

I think thats opinion, i've seen the "Zayron Strat" which is really a strat that Me n John were doing back with NwM before zayron was born, a very effective strat.

Anytime you put Squaak and DC together their going to perform. The best USA and best China, they could make any strat look good.

You dont see many weak points in his strat? What about the fact its all or nothing, if that drop does not work, China cant live off 1 supply...

Posted by: ^Zayron- Nov 3 2010, 16:23 PM

QUOTE(DesireNNNNNNNN @ Nov 3 2010, 00:51 AM) *

You dont see many weak points in his strat? What about the fact its all or nothing, if that drop does not work, China cant live off 1 supply...

What he said.



QUOTE

zayron strat

Take that Justin! laugh.gif

QUOTE

I consider you as slightly better in certain matchups on certain maps (1v1), in 2v2 I don't like to say I'm better, but neither are you. You underestimate my 2v2 skill.

Anyways zayron, nothing personally but what about you come back online and we play tons of 2v2's?

lol, k. I won't come online, I almost got no time to play with university and if I do, I play bfme2 :L Got nothing to prove and you would make new excuses anyway sleep.gif

Posted by: DesireNNNNNNNN Nov 3 2010, 18:04 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Nov 3 2010, 12:23 PM) *

What he said.
Take that Justin! laugh.gif
lol, k. I won't come online, I almost got no time to play with university and if I do, I play bfme2 :L Got nothing to prove and you would make new excuses anyway sleep.gif


what Gayron said

Posted by: Diamond- Nov 3 2010, 19:03 PM

No I wouldn't... I'm at uni busy with uni as well - but anyways let's drop this discussion. We think different, that's it.

Posted by: DiNastyE Nov 30 2010, 04:32 AM

f0sh0

Posted by: trve^viking Nov 30 2010, 12:39 PM

QUOTE(Diamond- @ Nov 3 2010, 19:03 PM) *

I'm at uni busy with uni as well


good joke.

Posted by: Murder- Nov 30 2010, 12:56 PM

Tim, what do you have against Diamond-?

Posted by: trve^viking Nov 30 2010, 13:06 PM

"iam inactive for uni" = near 500 games in cw isnt funny?

Posted by: ^Zayron- Nov 30 2010, 18:52 PM

laugh.gif I've never reached 500 cw games not even when I was addicted to ccg tongue.gif

Posted by: trve^viking Nov 30 2010, 22:25 PM

its only possible if there are enough guys to play vs, but u also never won cw do u? so diamond > u wink.gif

Posted by: Murder- Dec 1 2010, 11:17 AM

STFU KRONOSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Posted by: ^Zayron- Dec 1 2010, 13:50 PM

I never won cw? laugh.gif I've got 2 or 3 titles laugh.gif

Posted by: trve^viking Dec 1 2010, 14:51 PM

QUOTE(^Zayron- @ Dec 1 2010, 13:50 PM) *

I never won cw? laugh.gif I've got 2 or 3 titles laugh.gif


wink.gif

Posted by: ^Zayron- Dec 1 2010, 15:05 PM

oh, gotta ask Santa for a new sarcasm detector post-13661-1143531603.gif

Posted by: Diamond- Nov 6 2017, 06:37 AM

Haha, it's so funny to read through all these comments from today's point of view. wink.gif

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