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Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 11 2011, 23:41 PM

what to believe. how do we know what we are seeing on tv is the truth. without personal experience, how can we know. the truth is what we are told is true. we tend to accept main stream media reports as being factual. is it the case.

this was taken from a blog i found on the net.

We all have witnessed the unrest in the Middle East since Jan 2011; first we saw the leadership fall in Tunisia, which was quickly followed by Egypt. Throughout the first two countries' rebellions, there was a constant stream of news reports with video footage to inform the world what was going on.

Then Libya followed, the oil rich nation controlled by a tyrant who has lead the country for over 40 years with a iron fist. It seemed natural that rebellion would grip this country as it did the others, since freedom, after all, is what people want and deserve. However, this uprising seemed very different to what took place in Tunisia and Egypt.

First of all, we noticed the lack of protestor footage, even after constant requests for journalist to film the scenes in Libya by Gaddafi and his son, which is rather bizarre, especially after witnessing the seething throngs that brought mighty Egypt to its knees.

Then we saw the UN get involved, with the UK and USA leading in suggestive speech that they would not hesitate to send forces into libya -- on "humanitarian grounds", of course. We agree that people should have freedom and should not be slaughtered by their own leaders, but there is a startling lack of proof that an uprising is even occurring, and indeed, a growing body of evidence that this is a conspiracy to get foreign forces into Libya.

Practically speaking, is it time for other countries to get involved, possibly leading to another middle eastern war? This doesn't seem to have been factored at all into anyone's decision making regarding Libyan intervention.

Surely, now is the time for the UN, UK and USA to send in officials to check, first hand, if these reports are accurate. When we hear of the many protestor casualties, is there any proof that these where not rebels as Gaddafi has suggested?

We were even fed a glimpse of some fighting and air attack on the 3rd of March 2011, apparently around the desert marina by the oil wells. Without trying to seem facetious, do protestors wielding giant machine guns normally go for a country's oil fields or other heavily guarded economic assets? Is this the stuff of protest, or the stuff of armed groups attempting to seize control of a country through a coup (or externally sponsored attack)?

Our views are that people are capable of governing themselves without the need to be terrorized by iron-fisted leadership. Simply put, Gaddafi should give up his power and free his people, and this is the reason the media is feeing us for the purported Libyan uprising. Then why is all the evidence pointing to this *not* being the case?

We propose the following questions:

1) Could the fact that Libya has Africa's largest oil reserves have anything to do with the sudden interest in the Libyan uprising?

2) Is it a little convenient that Tunisia and Egypt collapsed first, two countries that border Libya, and could this have any strategic impact on events in Libya?

3) Why isn't the media following up on Gaddafi's offer to film the country to prove that unrest is in fact, not occurring -- isn't it the media's responsibility to investigate? Surely it can't be due to safety reasons, as reporters from major new networks have no problem following father and son around.

4) Why are Sky News reporters harassing Gaddafi's son about purported bombings of civilians despite growing evidence to the contrary? And why are Sky News reporters trying to frame everything that comes out of his mouth as being an "attack on the people" despite the fact that bombings, according to witness accounts, have been taking place in open desert or strategic areas that any country would rationally seek to defend in time of war?

5) Why are protesters engaging in attacks that would be challenging for even armed and trained groups to successfully execute, such as seizing oil fields and other military assets?

6) Why is there so little footage of Libyan protest, aside from the same few clips of groups of four or five individuals waving around AK47s, shot at close range, without any sign of a crowd?

7) Where is the footage of the "massive battles" supposedly taking place throughout Libya's cities?

8) Why is Tripoli silent, when Cairo and Tunis were aflame with protest?

9) Why does this whole situation seem so similar to the treatment of Iraq prior to the US invasion, especially since Iraq possesses the mideast's largest remaining untapped oil reserves, and at that time a leader the world loved to hate?

10) Why is there a pattern forming between imploding nations, or nations of US interest, and countries around those targets suddenly facing collapse? (Tunisia, Egypt in the case of Libya, and Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan in the case of Iran -- which, by the way, also possesses massive oil reserves.)

11) Why has no one attempted to address Gaddafi's son's comment when asked about the Libya reaction to this situation: "If 40 armed men with machine guns showed up in London, what would you do?"

12) Why are all the little countries surrounding Saudi Arabia also sliding the way of Tunisia and Egypt, and is Saudi Arabia another target in the queue?

13) Where is the footage of the "hundreds of thousands of refugees" pouring over the borders into Tunisia and Egypt, especially when foreign reporters made it a point to let it be known that they now have safe and easy access into Libya at those areas?

14) In Zimbabwe and Rwanda and Ivory Coast (all where there's no oil), the population was (and is) routinely slaughtered simply for voicing an opinion, yet there was no intervention there, so why Libya?

15) Prior to this mideast uprising, numerous warships from various western nations were dispatched to "deal with" Somalia, Yemen, and the "rampant piracy" that occurs along their coasts -- could this have had some future-set strategic purpose that potentially involved Libya and events in the Middle East?

Hopefully time will answer these questions for us all, and help clarify what is appearing like a seemingly conspiratorial scenario.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 12 2011, 07:50 AM

very interesting,i have not followed the situation there but whatever the outcome,a Libya without gaddafi is a good Libya smile.gif.

Posted by: Murder- Mar 12 2011, 08:54 AM

QUOTE(-WaRPiG^ @ Mar 12 2011, 00:41 AM) *

what to believe. how do we know what we are seeing on tv is the truth. without personal experience, how can we know. the truth is what we are told is true. we tend to accept main stream media reports as being factual. is it the case.

We can't. I doubt we will ever really know what is true and what isn't.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 12 2011, 08:55 AM

i agree the people of libya deserve a better life, especially considering its potential. things could get worse rather than better though.

Posted by: Murder- Mar 12 2011, 09:00 AM

Yes. Prospects are not that bright. sad.gif

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 12 2011, 09:03 AM

QUOTE(Murder- @ Mar 12 2011, 19:54 PM) *

We can't. I doubt we will ever really know what is true and what isn't.


we can, we just are not allowed.

so why do we accept the news that is delivered to us as being true? its odd isnt it. we read it, or watch it, and think oh fuck, and just accept it to be true. i do it.

Posted by: Murder- Mar 12 2011, 09:21 AM

We aren't allowed and we can't basically comes down to the same point. tongue.gif Yep, i do it to. sad.gif But what are the other options besides that.. It's not like we can start a revolution against mainstream media. post-13661-1143531603.gif

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 12 2011, 09:26 AM

QUOTE(Murder- @ Mar 12 2011, 19:21 PM) *

We aren't allowed and we can't basically comes down to the same point. tongue.gif Yep, i do it to. sad.gif But what are the other options besides that.. It's not like we can start a revolution against mainstream media. post-13661-1143531603.gif

we can boycott mainstream media,thats what i do anyways. btw im watching this japanese tsunami thing right now....omg its like im dreaming this shitt.....so surreal.

Posted by: Murder- Mar 12 2011, 09:35 AM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 12 2011, 10:26 AM) *

we can boycott mainstream media,thats what i do anyways. btw im watching this japanese tsunami thing right now....omg its like im dreaming this shitt.....so surreal.

These are the words im looking for all week.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 12 2011, 09:43 AM

the footage of the tidal wave is mind boggling.the nulear reactor could pose an even bigger threat though. if it goes off, it will be a bigger disaster than Chernobyl.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 12 2011, 09:44 AM

QUOTE(Murder- @ Mar 12 2011, 19:35 PM) *

These are the words im looking for all week.

That will be $295 thank you very much.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 12 2011, 09:46 AM

all week? it happened yesterday. tongue.gif

Posted by: Murder- Mar 12 2011, 09:48 AM

QUOTE(-WaRPiG^ @ Mar 12 2011, 10:43 AM) *

the footage of the tidal wave is mind boggling.the nulear reactor could pose an even bigger threat though. if it goes off, it will be a bigger disaster than Chernobyl.

Hiroshima ftw.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 12 2011, 09:53 AM

QUOTE(-WaRPiG^ @ Mar 12 2011, 19:43 PM) *

the footage of the tidal wave is mind boggling.the nulear reactor could pose an even bigger threat though. if it goes off, it will be a bigger disaster than Chernobyl.

When i woke up today,before i went to work i had a little glimpse on the net of what was going on.....needless to say i couldnt function properly at work.
check this out...so fucken scaryyyyy


mother nature is terrifying powerful force.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 12 2011, 09:59 AM

mad isnt it. i stayed up last night watching it all. seen it like 100 times now. tongue.gif

if they cant cool that reactor though, and it melts, all this will seem insignificant.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 12 2011, 10:02 AM

man ive been working every single day,cant keep up with current events or ccg sad.gif.
last i heard the reactors went into auto shut-down mode and all is well?

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 12 2011, 10:57 AM

they have shut down, but so have the pumps that run the cooling system. the water in the cooling system has to circulate or it will boil away and the core will melt. it is boiling right now. that is why they are saying they have to vent some of the gas/steam. its been it contact with the reactive material and is highly radioactive. this is also taking place in the cooling pools where they keep the spent fuel rods.

Posted by: Murder- Mar 12 2011, 11:13 AM

DEMZ PREMIER LEAGUE IS ON SAMMMZOR

Posted by: fateat Mar 14 2011, 20:46 PM

I know you guys sort of like conspiracies and cover ups. This one I found particularly interesting especially after the recent events that unfolded in Japan.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/459/072/Nibiru_To_Break_Through_Ecliptic_March_4th_2011.html

Posted by: squaak Mar 14 2011, 22:04 PM

I'll talk about Lybia in a next post cause it's a complicated subject, and hard to analyse.

I just want to comment about the post from Fateat now.

@ Fateat :
You really feel yourself smarter than anyone cause you are "over" all these "crazy guys" who warn you from a conspiracy ?
You don't even take the time to inform yourself about it, that's disapointing.
For example, just with the Federal Bank system, you should be able to see that it's real and that it's an unacceptable conspiracy !!
Or maybe do I overrate the competence of the average american citizen ?

I think yes since you continue voting for guys like Bush or Obama and seem happy when they are elected.

Do you even heard about the HAARP project ? That's a project in order to controll the elements using the technology from Tesla. (like the machine to make rain or the earthquake machine).

Here an example of the russian earthquake machine :


And keep in mind that this machine was developped during the Cold War so it's for sure far more developped nowadays through the HAARP project.

Now here is a document of Benjamin Fulford, an influent man who worked for the Forbes magazine.
He is also specialized about Japan. Watch at 55' when he talk about the earthquake in Japan in 2008 and the way how Japan lost the control on its financial system.
But you can also watch the whole video if you have the time cause this guy explains a lot of things and there are prooves about it.




Then I just want to talk about another "conspiracy" in France since you seem to believe we live in the perfect world and all is yellow.

Watch this announce about the meeting of today in Paris :

Attached Image

It means "Not any jew vote for the FN"

(The FN is the national party in France, announced to be currently 1st in a recent survey about the presidential election of 2012). It represents 25% of the population at least atm and this party want France to quit the EU and the Euro and to get our National Sovereighty again and also want that we stop the immigration.
So more and more people join these ideas cause our current government is already destructing our country and the "official oppisition party, the Socialist party" offcially ask to "change our civilization" and want to create a "Muslim Identity and Nationality" !!!

And then we see on this tract that the big jew (zionist) lobbies in France, CRIF (the equivalent to AIPAC in USA), UEJF, LICRA, ... oppenly ask jews to vote against the national party that want to give us our national sovereighty ???

Is that not a terrific conspiracy ?
By this, you clearly see that "Jew" is not about a religion, it's all about politics and it takes the control of governements !

How would you react for example if you see the same tract in USA calling "Jews" not to vote for Ron Paul ?

Wake up please Fateat ...

Posted by: fateat Mar 14 2011, 22:14 PM

I'm not even going to read your post, that's how irrelevant I consider you and your latest posts to be. The only thing I noticed was the HAARP technology which I monitor and find interesting.

For the most part I find conspiracy theories to be interesting, but I don't jump in with both feet and believe them. I also am quite confident there are and must be secrets kept from the general population, but I think they are often blown out of proportion, by people who notice the anomalies.

For the record, I just wanted to post something that I find interesting for Warcrimm and Warpig, not get into a crazy discussion with you squaak.

Posted by: squaak Mar 14 2011, 22:51 PM

QUOTE(fateat @ Mar 15 2011, 00:14 AM) *

I'm not even going to read your post, that's how irrelevant I consider you and your latest posts to be. The only thing I noticed was the HAARP technology which I monitor and find interesting.

For the most part I find conspiracy theories to be interesting, but I don't jump in with both feet and believe them. I also am quite confident there are and must be secrets kept from the general population, but I think they are often blown out of proportion, by people who notice the anomalies.

For the record, I just wanted to post something that I find interesting for Warcrimm and Warpig, not get into a crazy discussion with you squaak.

You post about paranormal things and you reject the debate when I come with rational subjects, facts and prooves ?
What kind of mentality is that?

What's the rate of brainwashed american people ?
That's terrific.

1 line about the subject of the topic :
Ask yourself why all governements suddenly wants to kill Kaddafi cause he killed civilian people while no1 say anything about IsraŽl when they do the same in Gaza ?
Also keep in mind that the power of the dollar is related to oil. Making an oil buble reinforce the value of the dollar and contributes to give more time to Ben Bernanke with his Quantitative Easing 2 before the Hyper-Inflation and the big collapse.

Also, last week, PIMCO, 1 of the biggest investment funds in the World officially went out of the dollar !
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-09/gross-drops-government-debt-from-pimco-s-flagship-fund-zero-hedge-reports.html

You're in the very 1st rank for this spectacle, Fateat, have fun !
Your imaginary world will be destructed soon and the Empire will fall down, hopefully.


Posted by: fateat Mar 14 2011, 22:53 PM

Cool. Thanks for posting. smile.gif

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 14 2011, 23:09 PM

Squaak your so wrong on so many levels

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 14 2011, 23:40 PM

QUOTE(fateat @ Mar 15 2011, 08:14 AM) *

For the record, I just wanted to post something that I find interesting for Warcrimm and Warpig, not get into a crazy discussion with you squaak.

I'm not a conspiracy nut thank you very much,but when there is evidence to the contrary i tend to look further than the official story.

Posted by: fateat Mar 14 2011, 23:44 PM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 14 2011, 17:40 PM) *

I'm not a conspiracy nut thank you very much,but when there is evidence to the contrary i tend to look further than the official story.

Well to be honest, I wasn't trying to make that distinction. It just seems to me, that you guys are into questioning what you read and hear (which is fine with me by the way), and you might find this interesting. I'll leave it alone now though and gtfo.

Posted by: squaak Mar 14 2011, 23:50 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 01:09 AM) *

Squaak your so wrong on so many levels

I posted links to proove my facts at least.

Read "Secrets of The Federal Reserve" Eustace Mullins. And then proove me that it's wrong ok ?

And we could speak about larger subjects than just the financial subject, but that's just the more important one cause money permits to controll all.

Wanna talk about the "conspiracy" concerning slave drivers in Europe against people from "slaves countries" and who they actually were ?
Oh no .. I forgot ... it never existed ...only black people were slaves, that's well known smile.gif

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 14 2011, 23:55 PM

QUOTE(fateat @ Mar 15 2011, 09:44 AM) *

and you might find this interesting. I'll leave it alone now though and gtfo.

You're the one who found it, so i will assume that you find it interesting...not me!

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 14 2011, 23:59 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 15 2011, 09:50 AM) *

Wanna talk about the "conspiracy" concerning slave drivers in Europe against people from "slaves countries" and who they actually were ?
Oh no .. I forgot ... it never existed ...only black people were slaves, that's well known smile.gif

Watch it Squaak......i can see where this is heading,you will be painted as an anti-semite and this topic will get locked tongue.gif

Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 00:23 AM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 15 2011, 01:59 AM) *

Watch it Squaak......i can see where this is heading,you will be painted as an anti-semite and this topic will get locked tongue.gif

lol yes you're right, we shouldn't talk about economics and history. Strangely it always end up about anti-semite accusations smile.gif

Posted by: fateat Mar 15 2011, 00:31 AM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 14 2011, 17:55 PM) *

You're the one who found it, so i will assume that you find it interesting...not me!

I just said I found it interesting, so yes I do. If you don't find it interesting thats just peachy, just thought you might.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 01:29 AM

Well i didnt...so take that!! numchuks.gif

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 15 2011, 02:42 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 15 2011, 00:23 AM) *

lol yes you're right, we shouldn't talk about economics and history. Strangely it always end up about anti-semite accusations smile.gif


then dont talk about that all the time tongue.gif 2 closed topics should be enough to know whats ok and whats not imo.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 02:46 AM

lets talk about how zh owns ccg tongue.gif

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 15 2011, 05:31 AM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 15 2011, 10:59 AM) *

Watch it Squaak......i can see where this is heading,you will be painted as an anti-semite and this topic will get locked tongue.gif
QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 15 2011, 13:42 PM) *


then dont talk about that all the time tongue.gif 2 closed topics should be enough to know whats ok and whats not imo.


i have spoken to both awful, and jack, regarding such discussions, and it seem they are fine, as long as, it doesnt break out into childish flame, and trolling, and it stays in clan forums and mess halls. so to the people who dont like discussing such things, simply dont take part.


to the topic, i didnt read all this. its all over the shop. but i will add this.

i invited squaak via pm, to take part in this discussion, because i was interested in hearing his views on the topic. it seems people like to gang up on squaak in these sorts of topics. imo he is the only one, that makes any rational arguments at all. he also trys to back up his comments with evidence. which is more than anyone else does. anyone can make smart ass comments.

at the start of this topic i raised the question. what to believe? how do we know what is true? how can we really know the truth without experiencing it personally. can we trust the media? the whole idea was to discuss this, with the libya crisis as a great subject.

i love a good conspiracy theory as yo might be able to tell. like fateat though, i dont just jump in with both feet. but the sites that contain all these wacky ideas, also contain real current events, they draw from real sources. what i like to do, is take a story like the libyan crisis, and read the story from both sides, and then try and decide for myself what makes the most sense. more often than not, it is the story from the "wacko conspiracy nut website" that makes a more believable account.

now back on topic. tongue.gif



Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 05:43 AM

Hey piggy....i hate vegemite sad.gif ,tastes like used car oil (not that ive tasted car oil)

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 15 2011, 05:54 AM

taste for vegemite has to be developed from birth.

back on topic noob. tongue.gif

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 05:58 AM

QUOTE(-WaRPiG^ @ Mar 15 2011, 15:54 PM) *

taste for vegemite has to be developed from birth.

back on topic noob. tongue.gif

Do germans have anything similar that needs to be developed at birth? Viking......?

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 06:01 AM

on topic.....this is what the media equates to in my eyes

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 15 2011, 06:36 AM

excellent example crimm. i can draw some similarities to discussions here at GR.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 06:39 AM

Can you spot the zionist in that video tongue.gif

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 15 2011, 06:51 AM

QUOTE(-WaRPiG^ @ Mar 15 2011, 05:31 AM) *

i have spoken to both awful, and jack, regarding such discussions, and it seem they are fine, as long as, it doesnt break out into childish flame, and trolling, and it stays in clan forums and mess halls. so to the people who dont like discussing such things, simply dont take part.
to the topic, i didnt read all this. its all over the shop. but i will add this.

i invited squaak via pm, to take part in this discussion, because i was interested in hearing his views on the topic. it seems people like to gang up on squaak in these sorts of topics. imo he is the only one, that makes any rational arguments at all. he also trys to back up his comments with evidence. which is more than anyone else does. anyone can make smart ass comments.

at the start of this topic i raised the question. what to believe? how do we know what is true? how can we really know the truth without experiencing it personally. can we trust the media? the whole idea was to discuss this, with the libya crisis as a great subject.

i love a good conspiracy theory as yo might be able to tell. like fateat though, i dont just jump in with both feet. but the sites that contain all these wacky ideas, also contain real current events, they draw from real sources. what i like to do, is take a story like the libyan crisis, and read the story from both sides, and then try and decide for myself what makes the most sense. more often than not, it is the story from the "wacko conspiracy nut website" that makes a more believable account.

now back on topic. tongue.gif


i dont saw squaak posting anything i could take serious tbh, ofc he writes a big text wall and have links in it but the outcome is racist, discriminating bullshit and i rly doubt that any1 from the mod team tolerate anti semitism in clan forums wink.gif
iam out here.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 15 2011, 07:16 AM

viking, thats because you dont actually readt it. well thats the way it seems to me. that is why you still confuse antizionism with anti semitism. he has said nothing racial what so ever, that i can remember. please provide quotes.
just saying thats a load of bull shit without even trying to present an opposing argument of any kind what so ever, is bull shit, if you ask me.

like i said i have spoken to mod admins about this sort of discussion. ask them about it your self if you want. besides this topic is about the media coverage of the libyan rebelion. has nothing to do with religion or racism, but "warning may contain political content".

beisng ant zionist is not being antis Semitic.

being anti zionist is not being racist.


Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 07:19 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 15 2011, 16:51 PM) *

i dont saw squaak posting anything i could take serious tbh, ofc he writes a big text wall and have links in it but the outcome is racist, discriminating bullshit and i rly doubt that any1 from the mod team tolerate anti semitism in clan forums wink.gif
iam out here.

Honestly viking,its becoming hard to explain what anti-semitism really is but i will attempt it once more.
hating on someone for his personal religious jewish beliefs IS "anti-semitic".
Criticising someones political views who happens to be jewish is NOT anti-semitic.(but thats what they want you to believe)

I oppose muslim immigration into europe,does this mean i hate muslims viking?

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 15 2011, 07:23 AM

i still dont get it, can you explain it again. tongue.gif

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 07:55 AM

aye right squaak, if thats true then why do the French eat Croissant's answer me that ! you don't see the link?? exactly your wrong

Posted by: Murder- Mar 15 2011, 08:58 AM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 15 2011, 03:46 AM) *

lets talk about how zh owns ccg tongue.gif

Die.

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 15 2011, 07:51 AM) *

i dont saw squaak posting anything i could take serious tbh, ofc he writes a big text wall and have links in it but the outcome is racist, discriminating bullshit and i rly doubt that any1 from the mod team tolerate anti semitism in clan forums wink.gif
iam out here.

Ooh please.. wacko.gif


Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 15 2011, 09:11 AM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 18:55 PM) *
aye right squaak, if thats true then why do the French eat Croissant's answer me that ! you don't see the link?? exactly your wrong


because they are delicious?

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 09:57 AM

no look deeper

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 15 2011, 13:05 PM

Scots is right. Croissants are filled with drugs that enslave you. They make you believe they're tasty but in fact you're becoming a slave of the real leaders in this world. The reptilians from Zeta Retaculi planet X! Just watch these vids man!



BTW
Squaak = a conspiracy nut.
Warcrimm = definitely anti Judaism in any shape, just like his religion prescribes.

Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 14:41 PM

@Viking :
That's not a surprise that you act like this since you have been educated in Germany. Due to what happened during WW2, you have been educated for an extrem tolerance toward jew people, whatever they do or say.
German people are considered as the eternal evil by the zionist, generation after generation, and you will always have to pay for it (taxes).
On an other hand, these taxes are used by IsraŽl to finance their army and their war against Palestinian people, paradoxal isn't it ?
Do you really feel yourself responsible for what happened to jews ?
Will you educate your kids and tell them they are responsible as well ?

I ask you Viking, would you have protested if you lost all your money due to Madoff fraud ?
Probably not cause you would have done the most evil thing that your education teach you :
doing an anti-semitic accusation.

@Opsnyder :
Here you come with video about legends. I don't see anything that can be taken seriously cause it can not be proved rationnaly with a demonstration.

I posted evidences, not legends.
The political leaflet for example in the 1st page : "Not a jew vote for the FN".
That's fact and this meeting has taken place in Paris yesterday.

How would you react if you see in Netherland a leaflet sponsorized by the biggest associations of your country saying : "Not a jew vote for Geert Wilders" ? (as he's your candidate)
Would you consider this consipary nut ?

And you Viking if you see "Not a jew vote for Angela Merkel" leaflet ?

Beeing jew, christian or muslim means that you agree with the religion in term of spirituality. But it should NEVER mean that you must have a comon interest in politics ! Else it's not a religion anymore but a political movement.
That's the difference between a jew (religious only) and a zionist (political).

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 14:54 PM

are all french racist or just squaak

Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 15:03 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 16:54 PM) *

are all french racist or just squaak

We have the biggest comunity of muslim people from all Europe in France.
So I guess we are the most tolerant about foreigners.

As far as I know, people jew is not a race. Moreover I never criticized their religion or their right to practice it.

On an other hand, swiss people voted against the Muslim priest towers.
And American people doesn't want a mosquee on Ground Zero.
So considering these facts, I can say they are not tolerant and far more racists than french people, if I follow your logic.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 15:07 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 15:54 PM) *

are all french racist or just squaak


Posted by: trve^viking Mar 15 2011, 15:51 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 15 2011, 14:41 PM) *

@Viking :
That's not a surprise that you act like this since you have been educated in Germany. Due to what happened during WW2, you have been educated for an extrem tolerance toward jew people, whatever they do or say.
German people are considered as the eternal evil by the zionist, generation after generation, and you will always have to pay for it (taxes).
On an other hand, these taxes are used by IsraŽl to finance their army and their war against Palestinian people, paradoxal isn't it ?
Do you really feel yourself responsible for what happened to jews ?
Will you educate your kids and tell them they are responsible as well ?

I ask you Viking, would you have protested if you lost all your money due to Madoff fraud ?
Probably not cause you would have done the most evil thing that your education teach you :
doing an anti-semitic accusation.

@Opsnyder :
Here you come with video about legends. I don't see anything that can be taken seriously cause it can not be proved rationnaly with a demonstration.

I posted evidences, not legends.
The political leaflet for example in the 1st page : "Not a jew vote for the FN".
That's fact and this meeting has taken place in Paris yesterday.

How would you react if you see in Netherland a leaflet sponsorized by the biggest associations of your country saying : "Not a jew vote for Geert Wilders" ? (as he's your candidate)
Would you consider this consipary nut ?

And you Viking if you see "Not a jew vote for Angela Merkel" leaflet ?

Beeing jew, christian or muslim means that you agree with the religion in term of spirituality. But it should NEVER mean that you must have a comon interest in politics ! Else it's not a religion anymore but a political movement.
That's the difference between a jew (religious only) and a zionist (political).


u know nothing about me, i was always a individual person, but i am also tolerant to almost all people/religions, not cause i was educated to be so, no, i think a normal human beeing should have tolerance wink.gif
we have to pay taxes/money cause our grandparents killed a few million peoples and lost a war, thats not the fault of the people they killed, its their/our own fault.
that israel have a big army is part of their history, they live in a region where people hate jews and they know from the past that they have to fight for themselves.
also, u can criticise them for a rly aggressive policy, but if u say it in the same sentence with"zionists" its wrong.

responsible no, ofc its part of our history , but as long as the new generations of germans and israelis build new history and not live in the past its ok.

of i would have protestet, i dont see the connection tho.

i think ur the guy who got brainwashed by watching too many conspiracy videos tongue.gif i mean whats next? are the zionists part of a big alien arrival?

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 15 2011, 15:55 PM

But lets get back on this croissant thingy. How long are you clean Scots? I see things way more clearly since I stopped eating them. Reptilians are everywhere. In their cooperation with the greys(alien race) they've succeeded in enslaving several galaxies with their croissant trick, but we might stop them! JFK tried it but got killed. Japan tried it but the greys crashed meteors in the sea to create tsunami's. The earthquakes didnt happen, the uploaded movies were fake!(LOL at people believing we live on moving plates bumping on each other) Our last resistance are the Jews which brew a magic potion to stop the reptilian advance. Lets hope they're able to fend off the third wave of orcs at Minas Tirith

Also, we live in the year 30.360. They try to make us believe we live in 2011 but thats a lie.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 15:58 PM

aye but nessie will have them greyskins so dw

Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 17:34 PM

@Viking :
It's clear that you're sincerly tolerant about religion/people, I don't deny this, and I think the same as you on this point.
But the problem is when a religion tries to influence people about politics (like the leaflet I posted).
We live in Republics and Democraty and there is a separation between the religion and the State.
Religion = private only.
That's what we call "laÔcitť" in french.

So when you applicate this law from the republic, it is illegal that a religious group make public advices about politics or about a politic party.

I'm tolerant about what's legal, but that's defnitly not, so we must applicate the law !
And the law is sometimes not that tolerant since it has limits.
For example if you kill someone, there won't be much tolerance about you.

Letting jew association making advices about politic parties would only be acceptable in a jewish State, but not in a Republic.
That's as dangerous as the muslims who wants to applicate the sharia like in an islamic Republic.

About the war you lost, yes it's normal to pay reparations. But obviously, you mostly pay reparations to the IsraŽl State. A lot of french families which are not jew lost all what they had as well and lost a lot of members of their families in the war, but they don't get money for it.
Since 1952, Germany paied more than 35 Billion Ä to IsraŽl.
Every year, Germany continue to pay 367 Million Ä to IsraŽl.
Hovewer, there are jew people who live in Jerusalem and who were deported during the war who live with less than 290 Ä per month (they protested in 2007 in Jerusalem).
In Netherland, a jewish survivor get 2000 Ä per month.
Isn't it a problem somewhere ?? Why does the IsraŽl State don't care about the jew survivors in IsraŽl ?
They are just happy to get your money so that they can finance their war.
And the money you give helps killing palestinian people ...

Btw IsraŽl is a colony, that's why people hate this country in the area.
That was the same with France in Algeria, England in India, ....
The pacific solution is to remake the whole Palestinian State and to stop the war. Palestinian people have nothing against israŽlian people, they just want to live in peace in their State.
"Zionists" are the guys who wanted to establish the colony.
Before the creation of IsraŽl, there were a lot of jew people who lived in Palestinia and there was no problem.

What's the goal of every colony in the history ? Getting ressources and money.
I think that in the 21th century, the times of the colonies should be over.


Posted by: Murder- Mar 15 2011, 17:42 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 16:58 PM) *

aye but nessie will have them greyskins so dw

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Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 17:56 PM

Okay just read your post for once squaak and what a load of bollocks, for starters it was the British who moved the Jews in and created Israel after the war... round them all up after the war as they have fled the Nazi's and spread across Europe.. the British herded them all up and created the state of Israel not fucking "Zionists".

Now gtf and go learn USA rookie

Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 19:14 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 19:56 PM) *

Okay just read your post for once squaak and what a load of bollocks, for starters it was the British who moved the Jews in and created Israel after the war... round them all up after the war as they have fled the Nazi's and spread across Europe.. the British herded them all up and created the state of Israel not fucking "Zionists".

Now gtf and go learn USA rookie

Your ignorance is on the same level as your arrogance.

The Zionist movement was created in 1897 by Theodor Herzl, and the goal was to create a Jewish State called IsraŽl in Palestinia and to make sure jew people immigrate there.

British didn't give his agreement for IsraŽl after WW2, BUT during WW1 !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917

And here the important quotes :

"The declaration was made in a letter from Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The letter reflected the position of the British Cabinet, as agreed upon in a meeting on 31 October 1917. It further stated that the declaration is a sign of "sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations."

The statement was issued through the efforts of Chaim Weizmann and Nahum Sokolow, the principal Zionist leaders based in London; as they had asked for the reconstitution of Palestine as ďtheĒ Jewish national home, the declaration fell short of Zionist expectations.[2]"


Also this declaration in 1917 was the condition to give by the Allies so that America enter in the war in order to defeat Germany.
Zionists controlled America at this time and they made sure America comes to defeat Germany only if the allies agree on the zionists plans (IsraŽl).

That was the only reason why America financed the war then and that so much people died in 1917-1918.
The war would have ended in 1916 else cause the countries in Europe had no money anymore.

The only problem after the WW1, is that the jew people in Europe didn't want to immigrate massivly in IsraŽl like the zionists planned it. That's why they needed to employ stronger methods ...

There are even documents from WW2 which prooves that Germany agreed to sell the captive jews to the zionists leaders in IsraŽl. But the zionists always refused it and didn't want to waste their money for saving jews !!!

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust-zionism.htm#SELFopen

So read this link and give me your feelings please !

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 19:21 PM

LOL squaak did you go to a "special" school by any chance

Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 19:34 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 21:21 PM) *

LOL squaak did you go to a "special" school by any chance

Are you denying the existence of the Balfour declaration 1917 ?

It just show how pittyfull education is nowadays.

Read my links, it's very well documented, it will teach you the life !

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 19:40 PM

Its a load of shite, the library of Edinburgh University holds much more accurate and non-bias materials, I suggested you pay it a visit sometime and stop looking at history and believing propaganda like an idiot laugh.gif

Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 19:47 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 21:40 PM) *

Its a load of shite, the library of Edinburgh University holds much more accurate and non-bias materials, I suggested you pay it a visit sometime and stop looking at history and believing propaganda like an idiot laugh.gif

So the Balfour declaration of 1917 is false in your opinion ? It's propaganda ?

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 19:59 PM

no all the bumf that's dragged into it, we went into great detail with it and your quite insane by any standards if you think they control the world, way back tae yer tree hoose m8

Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 20:09 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 21:59 PM) *

no all the bumf that's dragged into it, we went into great detail with it and your quite insane by any standards if you think they control the world, way back tae yer tree hoose m8


My links explain it properly imo.
It even lists the publications in the New York newspapers during the century and it gives the opinions of many anti-zionists rabbis (the jew anti-zionists).
Moreover they link official documents from the German army to justify the facts.

Then you can make your own conclusions, you're free to think what you want.

"When the wise man points at the moon, the idiot looks at the finger " Confucius.


Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 20:13 PM

Yeah and reach for the stars you'll get the moon rofl

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 21:43 PM

Im sorry guys,pls forgive me.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 15 2011, 21:47 PM

lol wat a butt pirate

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 15 2011, 22:19 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 15 2011, 21:47 PM) *

lol wat a butt pirate


Posted by: squaak Mar 15 2011, 22:59 PM

Viking what do you think about the arguments in post #61 ?

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 15 2011, 23:03 PM

Thats you scott...dont lie and confess this instant you anti-semitic bastard.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 16 2011, 05:39 AM

this is so far off topic it isnt funny. i would still like to here squaaks views on the libyan rebelion. any further off topic replies will be removed.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 16 2011, 06:42 AM

why not make such discussions in ur pf then?
on topic:i hope the people kick gaddafis ass, its about time for other countrys to send troops.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 16 2011, 07:10 AM

because it is not meant to be a private discussion.

1) Could the fact that Libya has Africa's largest oil reserves have anything to do with the sudden interest in the Libyan uprising?

2) Is it a little convenient that Tunisia and Egypt collapsed first, two countries that border Libya, and could this have any strategic impact on events in Libya?

3) Why isn't the media following up on Gaddafi's offer to film the country to prove that unrest is in fact, not occurring -- isn't it the media's responsibility to investigate? Surely it can't be due to safety reasons, as reporters from major new networks have no problem following father and son around.

4) Why are Sky News reporters harassing Gaddafi's son about purported bombings of civilians despite growing evidence to the contrary? And why are Sky News reporters trying to frame everything that comes out of his mouth as being an "attack on the people" despite the fact that bombings, according to witness accounts, have been taking place in open desert or strategic areas that any country would rationally seek to defend in time of war?

5) Why are protesters engaging in attacks that would be challenging for even armed and trained groups to successfully execute, such as seizing oil fields and other military assets?

6) Why is there so little footage of Libyan protest, aside from the same few clips of groups of four or five individuals waving around AK47s, shot at close range, without any sign of a crowd?

7) Where is the footage of the "massive battles" supposedly taking place throughout Libya's cities?

8) Why is Tripoli silent, when Cairo and Tunis were aflame with protest?

9) Why does this whole situation seem so similar to the treatment of Iraq prior to the US invasion, especially since Iraq possesses the mideast's largest remaining untapped oil reserves, and at that time a leader the world loved to hate?

10) Why is there a pattern forming between imploding nations, or nations of US interest, and countries around those targets suddenly facing collapse? (Tunisia, Egypt in the case of Libya, and Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan in the case of Iran -- which, by the way, also possesses massive oil reserves.)

11) Why has no one attempted to address Gaddafi's son's comment when asked about the Libya reaction to this situation: "If 40 armed men with machine guns showed up in London, what would you do?"

12) Why are all the little countries surrounding Saudi Arabia also sliding the way of Tunisia and Egypt, and is Saudi Arabia another target in the queue?

13) Where is the footage of the "hundreds of thousands of refugees" pouring over the borders into Tunisia and Egypt, especially when foreign reporters made it a point to let it be known that they now have safe and easy access into Libya at those areas?

14) In Zimbabwe and Rwanda and Ivory Coast (all where there's no oil), the population was (and is) routinely slaughtered simply for voicing an opinion, yet there was no intervention there, so why Libya?

15) Prior to this mideast uprising, numerous warships from various western nations were dispatched to "deal with" Somalia, Yemen, and the "rampant piracy" that occurs along their coasts -- could this have had some future-set strategic purpose that potentially involved Libya and events in the Middle East?


Posted by: trve^viking Mar 16 2011, 08:21 AM

then u shouldnt complain about critical posts, why u dont said that off topic as squaak startet to post his lies again?tongue.gif

1. no
2.yea, people see that the protests in other countrys cant beat down and start to protest aswell.
3.theyre scared to get beat up/shot, also, it would be like acting, no critical voices would be heard and so on, i would compare that to chinas way to show tibet, "all people are happy and the rest is just a bunch of criminals."
4.cause they bomb at their own people, theres no war going on, its only a old man who loves his power.
5.to reach that gaddafi steps dowhttp://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?act=post&do=reply_post&f=2900&t=755585n and make a way to free elections.
6.dont know what u see in australia, i saw a lot of big protests and demonstrations.
7.journalists are scared to drive into the frontlines, cause its dangerous there, they also show videos from the desert fights, which are made from the rebells.
8. cause they have the total media coverage from gaddafi there, also, i dont saw any "free" journalist movies from there yet, only what gaddafi gave out.
9.its complete differend.
10.the government of most of these states are outdated, people see the protests in other countrys and start to fight for their freedom.
11.cause its a bullshit question, the armed men showed up as gaddafi startet to attack peacefull demonstrations, lybia have a dictatorship england democracy, that alone makes the question senseless, cause u dont need to be armed to get ur right for free elections.
12.same government forms, same problems.
13.on tv.
14.cause gaddafi is a weird guy and hes so far the only guy who shot on his own people in these new protest wave, its differend to other cauntrys, cause the majority of the people want a change, but he will fight for his power while guys in equal situations, like mubarak and the president from tunisia gave the people what they want.
15. i dont think so, western countrys dont want more situations like in afganistan or iraq, thats why they wait so long to bring the ,much needed, help for the people there.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 08:48 AM

warpig America is split on the no fly zone, its the UK, France and lebanom for it. Also your not reallly watching the news if you haven't seen any fighting or refugees lols

"Germany, Russia and China are said to be among those opposing such proposals, aimed at preventing air attacks on rebels by pro-Gaddafi forces, and the US has yet to declare its position."


Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 16 2011, 09:02 AM

hey im not claiming anything, in case you havnt notice im just asking questions. not getting many answers though.

there has not been the footage of tripolli amass with protesters like egypt.

in the begging of all this the reported claims of mercenaries from africa killing civilians. the media also claimed (without any proof whats so ever) that these mercenaries were working for gadaffi. gadaffi claimed the opposite. that his country was being attacked by mercenaries, and that there were no protests. so do we just believe the media, because they do a good job at making an idiot look stupid. we have no more reason to beleive than media claims than we do his.

how do normal every day people manage to capture highly guarded military assets, and oil feilds. this would be a challenge even for an elite tactical force.

why didnt the usa, and its nato m8s intervene to stop the blatantly obvious genocide in zimbabwe and rwanda.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 16 2011, 09:26 AM

oh yea and why would gadaffi want the media to film what was going on, if his forces were killing civilians. they are not scared to go inot other war zones. there wasnt even any aerial footage. so why did they really refuse to cover it i wonder.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 16 2011, 09:27 AM

its common sense that the black military dressed people are mercenarys, i mean theyre not there to play golf.
gaddafi is known to be a weirdo and he kills his own people to keep his power, thats a fact.
or u rly think that he get attacked from al kaida? tongue.gif

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 16 2011, 09:31 AM

im not disputing they were mercinaries. the media claimed they were working for him. whats really going on is not a civil uprising. but rather a coup, that is sponsored by western interests.

-E- people like gadaffi naturally have lots of enemies. it wouldnt be hard to find a group, to rise against him given the proper funding. seizing highly guarded military assets takes organiziation, leadership, and coordination. its not a job for an angry mob.

-E2- thats not to say the people wont be happy to see him go. of course they would dream of the day.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 16 2011, 09:33 AM

Never thought of it like that,interesting.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 16 2011, 09:35 AM

to do what? and why they wait so long to march in then? they have enough from wars in irak and afganisthan, also, gaddafi was a long time friend from the western countrys, to let him replace from a differend, and possible more muslim friendly, government makes no sense in ur theory, where would be the win for the usa for example?

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 16 2011, 09:43 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 16 2011, 19:35 PM) *

where would be the win for the usa for example?

access to more oil maybe.

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 16 2011, 09:46 AM

libya contains the largest oil reserves in africa.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 09:55 AM

QUOTE(-WaRPiG^ @ Mar 16 2011, 10:31 AM) *

im not disputing they were mercinaries. the media claimed they were working for him. whats really going on is not a civil uprising. but rather a coup, that is sponsored by western interests.

-E- people like gadaffi naturally have lots of enemies. it wouldnt be hard to find a group, to rise against him given the proper funding. seizing highly guarded military assets takes organiziation, leadership, and coordination. its not a job for an angry mob.

-E2- thats not to say the people wont be happy to see him go. of course they would dream of the day.



Your forgetting the military presence within the rebellion, most of these military assets turned without fighting...

also a donít know if you noticed but the rebels are now being pushed back and losing the war due to the Mercenaries that have been drafted in and Airpower that they can't do anything against...

Posted by: squaak Mar 16 2011, 10:02 AM

First of all, I think it's important to recall that Gaddafi is an allie of the Empire (just like Ben Ali and Mubarak).
He has big commercial relation with Italy and he's also well respected from IsraŽl.
Moreover Kadhafi played a major role in the creation of the Africa Union.

On another side, Gaddafi can really be considered as a crazy man and he act like a dictator for sure.
He plays a double game : he criticizes the Empire all the times (he even destructed the UNO chart at his speech in the UNO lol) but on another side he collaborated with the Empire very much during the last 10 years. He was even invited by Sarkozy to come in France for 3 days in 2007 !!

Imo the Empire just want to replace him now since he made his time, and it's a good oppurtunity to do it now, after the other revolutions in the area, so that people think they get their revolution and democraty as well.
The opposition movement in Lybia is lead by Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who was the minister of the Justice previously.
This guy acts for the Empire, and he will ofc organize new "elections" after the transition government, so that the Empire keeps all their influence and advantages in this country concerning oil.

What's interesting is that the US leaders didn't block Gaddafi money and dividends cause they don't want to stop him right now, but just gaining some time in order to make the transition.

The resistants that we see on the TV want to deliver their country from Gaddafi and from the influence of the Empire. But I don't think they will be able to do it.
Gaddafi's forces are too strong, and as soon as Gaddafi will be replaced by a transition governements, they would have no other choice than stoping their revolution without being able o take the power by themselves.

It is probable that the goal of all these revolutions is to create a stronger Africa Union and to reinforce the controll of the US on it.
Remember also thay China has much interests in Africa and they're investing a lot there atm.
The bloody economic war between USA and China is becoming really interesting smile.gif

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 10:05 AM

QUOTE
While Col Gaddafi's forces make advances on rebel-held territory, the capital is reported to be quiet but tense. One Tripoli resident - who did not want to be identified for his own safety - described the latest scenes to the BBC.

In recent weeks, the mobile phone service that allows users to check their credit has stopped working.

You now get a message saying "Unknown application" instead of the usual "Your credit balance isÖ"

Several people had already noticed that phone calls appear to be free - despite endless conversations, the credit never runs out.

Continue reading the main story
Libya in maps
Diplomatic options
Is a no-fly zone possible?
It is being topped up by the government - but to no avail now.

In Tripoli, most are terrified to say anything on the phone that could be construed as resentment towards the regime.

Conversations are quick, short and of little substance.

So too are the lectures in schools, many of which have re-opened, although student attendance remains a trickle.

Private schools are facing a shortage of teachers - posts that were, until last month, occupied by foreign teachers, most of whom - if not all - have fled the country.

One of my family members - a 17-year-old who has returned to school - says she is not learning anything.

"We go to class, it's more than half-empty, and the teachers are secretly not teaching in protest".

Detentions and disappearances

But protesting in Tripoli is a dangerous business - the two times people dared to take to the streets here, they were gunned down into submission.

And ever since, there has been a sustained campaign of detentions by security forces who go knocking on doors.


The Libyan government appears to be paying for mobile phone calls Many detainees are released within two days, but - as one friend told me - "only after they take a beating and have enough fear in their eyes".

Others simply disappear.

In one area of Souk al-Juma district, I heard that 120 men were taken last week.

Some young men now hide in safe houses offered by friends or acquaintances because "security people came and asked for me in my family home", they say.

Even residents who have family abroad, who spoke out on foreign news channels, have been arrested.

In the past three days, relatives and friends who have tried to leave the country tell me that they were asked by airport officials to present a legal document that states that they are "on vacation from work".

Those who claim to be unemployed will presumably be required to show an official document that proves they have registered "in search of work" with the labour office and that they have received the 150 Libyan dinars ($121; £75) in state aid that came into effect last week.

The limits on movement are tightening.

As flights out of Tripoli airport steadily decrease, many here believe that they will soon only be able to travel by boat or ferry - as they did back in the 80s and 90s.

New pastime

Not far away, in the town of Zawiya, residents and rebels have seemingly been bombed into submission.

Residents of the capital hold their breath in horror as they speak to relatives there - an increasingly difficult task.

Watching the news has become the new national pastime, as people venture out on a needs-only basis.

But the news is a source of increasing stress, bringing with it a sustained sense of frustration and helplessness.

"Why is it being described as a civil war when people are united, and the government and its hired forces are killing us?" people wonder.

But the capital is not united.


Many shops and stalls remain closed in Tripoli The city centre's Green Square has been occupied by pro-Gaddafi supporters - who opponents call the "paid traitors of the people's revolution".

Most are likely to be secret police, or members of the revolutionary guards and their families.

But, to the best of my knowledge, the price of fresh allegiance from average citizens came at a hefty sum of 17,000 dinars in cash, a new car and a lethal weapon - provided they pass some test proving their loyalty to the Gaddafi regime.

That aside, the media campaign being run by state television is gradually winning over the poorly educated.

They have expressed their belief in TV claims, such as: "The yoghurt brand, al-Naseem, is drugged."

This particular brand is owned by a family from Misrata, the port city under rebel control.

Or reports that: "The rebels are all al-Qaeda. Have you seen how they slaughtered our soldiers? We saw the pictures!"

"We just want to live in peace," another Gaddafi supporter says.

"Gaddafi is old now and he has been here for as long as we have been alive," an elderly neighbour complained. "The situation is breaking my heart."

Opponents of the regime would say the same, but for completely different reasons.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 16 2011, 10:19 AM

Whatever is happening there,as long as shitdaffi pisses off im happy.

Posted by: Murder- Mar 16 2011, 10:36 AM

Shitdaffy laugh.gif

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 16 2011, 11:06 AM

we will tell them gadaffi has weapons of mass destruction, that way we can take his oil. lol know way, we barely got away with that last time. then how about we say osama bin laden is hiding out there. lol naa people are not scared of him anymore. oh i know then we will say he is killing his own people, and he is using his airforce against protesters. everyone knows gadaffi is a tyrant, we can sell that easy.

you know why the rebels are being pushed back. because they have been let down. yea they were expecting to have air support by now, but the noobs havnt been able to muster up enough public support to get in there.

-E- please dont get me wrong i am not defending gadaffi. but it all sounds so 2 faced. when the usa and its allies kill innocent civilians while invading another country, it is a unfortunate fact of war. when israel kill innocent people it is ok. it is also ok for thousands upon thousands of innocent, men women and children to be slaughtered in zimbabwe, and rwanda. but if you happen to be the leader of an oil rich country, or the largest illicit opium producing country in the world, you better watch out.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 11:19 AM

let down by who, the jews? lol

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 16 2011, 11:28 AM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 16 2011, 21:19 PM) *

let down by who, the jews? lol

Dont hate on the jews scots.Hate zionists.... not jews!!!

@warpig,it does sound plausible but either way,a Libya without that tyrant is a good Libya.So maybe in the end their plans (if any) will backfire on them.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 11:33 AM

im not hating anyone im taking the piss out of the noobs who believe everything and anything tongue.gif

the bbc is a good source for the truth

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 16 2011, 11:37 AM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 16 2011, 21:33 PM) *

the bbc is a good source for the truth

I would rather get my information from a zulu warrior than the bbc (bullshit broadcasting corporation)

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 11:44 AM

then your incredibly naive, why would journalists risk there life and die like many have done and are doing like that camera man last week in Libya? the BBC dose a very good job in serving the British people and the world in bringing the truth forward to the public.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 16 2011, 11:55 AM

I didnt say they dont do a good job,they do a very good job but its the senior editors who have the final say on what to publish and how its interpreted .
Im sure you have heard of former bbc presenter Alan Hart?
Whats your opinion of him?


Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 12:03 PM

never heard of him and no sound at work tongue.gif

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 16 2011, 12:10 PM

Just try to imagine what hes saying tongue.gif

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 16 2011, 17:30 PM

It gets tiring that there are people that WANT to see conspiracy's everywhere.
There are riots everywhere, riots are/went crazy in Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrein and Yemen. But of course, when there's 1 country out of 5 in which the western world has lots of interests in, it suddenly has to be a conspiracy.
The dictators in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen are puppets of America. America and Europe favor from having these pro-western dictators in charge. Even more so for Israel. And Ghadaffi was becoming more and more pro western recently and they sell pretty much all their oil to Europe.
To sum up what im saying. Europe, Israel and America wanted the situation in the region to remain the same as it was for a long time.

If they did want to take over the country for some reason theyre doing an awfully bad job at it. They must have known before hand that Ghadaffi controls a big army and has lots of heavy weaponry. The protesters have no chance when this army is used on them. The middle eastern countries and several European countries support a no-fly zone. Whatever country wanted to control the country could have created a no fly zone way earlier and in the meantime bomb several other important things while no one would notice it and in that way make the protesters victorious.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 16 2011, 17:46 PM

total agree, good post ops tongue.gif

Posted by: squaak Mar 16 2011, 18:15 PM

@ Opsnyder :
It's cause the western doesn't want to take the controll by the force since Gaddafi already cooperates with them. They just want to make sure that the resistants fighters don't take the whole controll of the country, else the wastern Empire would loose its controll on it.
What they want is just to make an arrangment like in Tunisia or Egypt and to change the government pacifically so they can put someone under their controll at the head again.

What does the western win about it since he already controlled these countries ?

First of all, western gain the confidence of the public opinion again on these countries since they won't see old dictators anymore and the majority of the people believe that they will have a perfect democraty now.
That's also a way to boost the trade of weapons.
Moreover, there are many destructions in these sort of revolts so the western banks (world bank + IMF) can come here and make a lot of loans and they get an advantage on the oil controll then, with much more intesresting prices.

Finally this situation can also be a good preparation of the Mediteranean Union (Fusion of EU + the borderlines countries of Magrebh). This project has been heavily supported by Sarkozy for example.
This fusion wouldn't have been possible with these old dictators.

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 16 2011, 20:55 PM

The big majority of the American or European population didnt even knew who was in charge in these countries. And I bet that before these riots most people didnt even know which of these 5 countries was Libya. So why put unwanted attention on these areas? And why go trough all this trouble while the situation was already near-perfect? And why didnt they do this to Saudi-Arabia which has WAY more oil?
The western world has NOTHING to gain from these riots and still you see conspiracies. I wonder how much conspiracy-rage we would have seen from you if one of these riots where actually beneficial for the western world.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 16 2011, 21:16 PM

Ops makes a valid point...but so does squaak.Behind the scenes politics is a bitch and one can only wonder what is really going on.In any case even if there is a conspiracy to remove gadaafi it can only in the long run benefit the arab people in that region.once the arab mentality can fathom that dictators CAN be removed from power they will inevitably strive for self-determination and freedom.
Thats why i see this as good thing regardless of whats going on behind the scenes.

Posted by: squaak Mar 16 2011, 21:40 PM

The reasons aren't very clear atm, I agree, we'll probably understand it better in some weeks.
It's also probable that they want to create a huge movement of contestations in order to make it grow to the Middle East so that it can destabilize Iran.

On an other hand, these revolutions make the oil bubble grow very fast. That's a fact and that's very good for the oils companies, while it limits the growth it nearly all countries of the world, even China.
Moreover, the western governements get more taxes on oil consumption.

Also since dollar is still the world money and due to the fact its value is higly related to the oil value, thus bubble of oil contribute to appreciate the dollar while on the same time Ben Bernake (the chief of the FED) print dollars in mass with his QE2.
So this helps stabilizing the value of the dollar, which would decrease a lot else.

Concerning these revolutions, be aware that no successfull revolutions in the History came from the people only, without any foreign help in term of influence or money
That's the case for the American Revolution of 1776, the French Revolution of 1789, teh Russian Revolution of 1917, ...
That's also the case for the Revolutions concerning the ex-USSR countries after the fall of the Wall in Berlin. It is officially prooved that US leaders helped the revolutionaries there.

The best example of a total spontaneous Revolution leaded by the basic people is from the roman slaves group leaded by Spartacus, which wanted their independance. Such Revolutions usually finish in the blood.


Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 21:46 PM

we have revolted against England 10x and won and they have revolted against us also, most of the time without foreign aid since only people who tried to but their noses in was the French but we all know what happened their lols

Posted by: squaak Mar 16 2011, 22:05 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 16 2011, 23:46 PM) *

we have revolted against England 10x and won and they have revolted against us also, most of the time without foreign aid since only people who tried to but their noses in was the French but we all know what happened their lols

Yes but your revolt was more like a country vs counrty war. You didn't make the whole England governement fall down with your revolt, so that's not the same.

Revolution mean a total change of the government and the practices. It's different to a Coup which come due to an army group and doesn't represent the whole people.
If you applicate this defnition to Tunisia or Egypt, it doesn't even match, cause there are still old ministers in the new governement.


Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 16 2011, 22:06 PM

yes we did actually several times lols

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 17 2011, 04:52 AM

its oil, oil, and more oil. people have mentioned gadaffi becoming more westernised and taking part in blah blah blah. its actually the other way around. western countries have been cooperating more with him. he has the oil, he has the power. sadam had the oil, and the power. the problem though is guys like sadam and gadaffi, are mad men. of course gadaffi cant be put in the same league as sadam. sadam was a very smart man, gadaffi is a senile old man. and he is going to die soon. then what will happen with the oil. come on people, the concerned western nations dont give 2 fucks about the people of libya. they care about their national interest. if they cared about the people, they would care about the people in places like zimbabwe and rwanda, where blatantly obvious genocide has been carried out. they care about the oil. and all this is an attempt to install some sort of stability and cooperative leadership before gadaffi dies. other wise libya could turn into a chaotic mess. the oil fields could be set alite, it could be very ugly, and totally not in the national interests, of concerned parties.

the problem is they cant get public support to carry this shit out by saying, hey libya is going to go to hell, and we still need its oil. so we are going to remove gadaffi from power now to prevent it. to gain public support they need a cover story.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 08:32 AM

uh-huh

Posted by: -WaRPiG^ Mar 17 2011, 09:25 AM

well surprise a resolution that is broader than just a no fly zone has been put to the UN and is expected to be voted on as early as tonight. oh and the US secretary to the UN sarah rice said that further action may need to be taken, given developments on the ground.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 17 2011, 09:38 AM

So......its all systems go?

Posted by: -Chemical- Mar 17 2011, 09:46 AM

It is sad to see all the news about an atomic desaster which caused by human stupidity while in lybia one sick guy is killing hundreds of his own people...

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 09:52 AM

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Libyan rebels have deployed tanks, artillery and a helicopter for the first time to repel an attack by pro-Gaddafi forces on the key town of Ajdabiya, the BBC understands.

The town is the last population centre before the rebel headquarters in Benghazi - Libya's second city, with a population of one million.

Col Gaddafi's forces say they have taken Ajdabiya and Benghazi is next.

Earlier, the US urged the UN to act in Libya, including a no-fly zone.

US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice said a no-fly zone would bring only limited help. She hoped for an early vote on a draft.

Russia expressed concern at some of the implications of the proposals and put forward a counter-resolution.

Forces loyal to Col Gaddafi are taking ground from rebels, who say they fear "genocide" without swift UN action.

On Wednesday, the International Committee of the Red Cross withdrew from the rebel-held city of Benghazi, 160km (100 miles) from Ajdabiya, saying it feared an imminent attack by Col Gaddafi's forces.

'Over in 48 hours'

The UN Security Council on Wednesday undertook lengthy and difficult negotiations over a resolution aimed at authorising a no-fly zone.

The US has previously been cool on the effectiveness of such a zone, but Ms Rice said this - and further measures - were now needed.

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"The US view is that we need to be prepared to contemplate steps that include, but perhaps go beyond a no-fly zone, at this point, as the situation on the ground has evolved and as a no-fly zone has inherent limitations in terms of protection of civilians at immediate risk."

The BBC's Barbara Plett at the UN says the draft resolution contains controversial language authorising all necessary measures to protect civilians, which some interpret as permitting strikes against government ground forces if civilians are under attack.

She says that may have been what Russia's ambassador was referring to when he angrily declared that some members had introduced proposals with far-reaching implications.

Russia has strong reservations about military action, as does China, and instead offered a counter-resolution calling first for a ceasefire.

Continue reading the main story
Leaders flounder over no-fly zone
UK wants UN 'leadership' on Libya
Diplomatic options
Is a no-fly zone possible?
Western diplomats said it was rejected because it lacked teeth.

Supporters of the draft resolution stressed the urgency of action and are pushing for a vote on Thursday.

Ms Rice said: "We will continue our negotiations early on Thursday, fully focused on the urgency and the gravity of the situation on the ground and it's my hope that we may be in a position to vote a serious resolution as early as Thursday. We're working very hard toward that end."

Pro-Gaddafi troops have been moving closer to Benghazi in recent days.

One of Col Gaddafi's sons, Saif al-Islam, has claimed Benghazi will be recaptured soon even if a no-fly zone is imposed.

"Everything will be over in 48 hours," he told Euronews.

'Sterilised'

The BBC's Jon Leyne in Benghazi says the situation there is getting more tense by the hour, and the calls for the international community to impose a no-fly zone more desperate.


The BBC's Ian Pannell set out from the opposition stronghold of Benghazi to try to reach Ajdabiya, where both sides claim to be winning
Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's ambassador to the UN who has defected from the Gaddafi regime, warned the situation could escalate quickly.

"In the coming hours we will see a real genocide if the international community does not act quickly," he said on Wednesday.

On Wednesday evening, state TV warned residents of Benghazi that they had until midnight (2200 GMT) to abandon rebel locations and arms storage areas, Reuters reports.

Col Gaddafi told Lebanese TV that he did not expect there to be a battle in the city, saying the Libyan people had been helping to oust al-Qaeda elements.

"All the places where they [rebels] are fortified, are now being sterilised with the help of the people... who say where their locations are," Reuters quoted him as telling LBC TV.

Are you in Libya? What is your experience of the unrest? You can send us your experiences using the form below.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12769993

wee video there, dunno if ul beable to see tongue.gif

both sides are saying they have held/taken Ajdabiya eyebrow.gif

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 17 2011, 15:10 PM

QUOTE(-WaRPiG^ @ Mar 17 2011, 05:52 AM) *

its oil, oil, and more oil. people have mentioned gadaffi becoming more westernised and taking part in blah blah blah. its actually the other way around. western countries have been cooperating more with him. he has the oil, he has the power. sadam had the oil, and the power. the problem though is guys like sadam and gadaffi, are mad men. of course gadaffi cant be put in the same league as sadam. sadam was a very smart man, gadaffi is a senile old man. and he is going to die soon. then what will happen with the oil. come on people, the concerned western nations dont give 2 fucks about the people of libya. they care about their national interest. if they cared about the people, they would care about the people in places like zimbabwe and rwanda, where blatantly obvious genocide has been carried out. they care about the oil. and all this is an attempt to install some sort of stability and cooperative leadership before gadaffi dies. other wise libya could turn into a chaotic mess. the oil fields could be set alite, it could be very ugly, and totally not in the national interests, of concerned parties.

the problem is they cant get public support to carry this shit out by saying, hey libya is going to go to hell, and we still need its oil. so we are going to remove gadaffi from power now to prevent it. to gain public support they need a cover story.

- Ghadaffi was getting more west oriented. Just take a look at a summary of his life or Wikipedia and you will see.
- His sons and in particular Saif-Al-Islam would continue Ghadaffi's policy without any problem. Saif-Al-Islam is very westernized. He lived and studied in England for a long time.
- All the other countries that face(d) equally bad revolts have very little oil.
- And last but not least, nothing is happening in Saudi Arabia. Saudi-Arabia has SO much oil, the Saudi's are equally horrible as Ghadaffi or Saddam, society and law based on the Sharia, the area's where the oil is located has a shiite majority that is ruled by a sunite government. Why not create chaos here? There's bigger loot and an easier target.

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 16:16 PM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 17 2011, 17:10 PM) *

- Ghadaffi was getting more west oriented. Just take a look at a summary of his life or Wikipedia and you will see.
- His sons and in particular Saif-Al-Islam would continue Ghadaffi's policy without any problem. Saif-Al-Islam is very westernized. He lived and studied in England for a long time.
- All the other countries that face(d) equally bad revolts have very little oil.
- And last but not least, nothing is happening in Saudi Arabia. Saudi-Arabia has SO much oil, the Saudi's are equally horrible as Ghadaffi or Saddam, society and law based on the Sharia, the area's where the oil is located has a shiite majority that is ruled by a sunite government. Why not create chaos here? There's bigger loot and an easier target.

It's probably cause the population of Lybia wouldn't have agreed to see his son take the controll of the country. It would have bring chaos in the country and would have been a danger the controll of oil.
But if there is an organised revolution, then the people see a change cause the leader of the country has to go immediatly. So they're usually more confident about the successor and think that they have win their democraty themselves.

About Tunisia and Egypte, those 2 countries are borderline of Lybia. So it is probable that these 2 countries have been used to bring the contestation to Lybia.
Egypte is still a very strategic country cause of the Suez Canal and many pipelines.

About Saudi-Arabia, they controll it very well so it's probably fine like it is atm.
But it's hard to know, maybe they'll use it to continue the Revolutions till Iran, cause Iran is and remain the main goal imo.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 17 2011, 17:52 PM

QUOTE(-Chemical- @ Mar 17 2011, 09:46 AM) *

It is sad to see all the news about an atomic desaster which caused by human stupidity while in lybia one sick guy is killing hundreds of his own people...


good post, i think we should stop to discuss for a few days and should show a bit respect for the victims.

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 18:50 PM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 17 2011, 19:52 PM) *

good post, i think we should stop to discuss for a few days and should show a bit respect for the victims.

Where are the thousand of victims in Libya ?
Sorry but we didn't see any proof of the tons of dead people. Why didn't Gaddafi kill the whole citizens of Tripoli then ?

On an other hand, the victims in Japan are real victims and honnest citizens.

Again Viking you fall down in the selective victimization like you have been teached by the medias.
And then you will agree for a war against Libya which will make much more civilian victims, real victims !

Learn to think with your head not with emotional fears.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 19:10 PM

There was a picture of an elderly guy in the paper who had been shot in the head, was highly detailed and very disturbing and he was laying beside the corps of a small child and younger man. Then there was what looked like hundreds of body bags and a photo of the camera man who was killed last week in an ambush. And IMO squaak you really should pay a lot more respect to these people, if you do not believe the hardships they endure pack a bag and go find out for yourselve, see how long you last in Libya atm.

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 19:36 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 17 2011, 21:10 PM) *

There was a picture of an elderly guy in the paper who had been shot in the head, was highly detailed and very disturbing and he was laying beside the corps of a small child and younger man. Then there was what looked like hundreds of body bags and a photo of the camera man who was killed last week in an ambush. And IMO squaak you really should pay a lot more respect to these people, if you do not believe the hardships they endure pack a bag and go find out for yourselve, see how long you last in Libya atm.

You should go to Gaza if you want to see tons of civilian victims due to the war.
I don't and I will never do selective victimization. I'm against any form of war and I don't accept that some medias try to change the truth only to organise a real war in this country.

Here Scotsman come the announce (according to the official french press) :
"France, England, Qatar and the Arabian Emirate agreed on bombing Libya in the night between thursday and friday if the UNO give them its permission."

Now it's easier to see who gave all these weapons to the so called "resistants" and what was their interests.

You'll have all the victims you wanted now, Scotsman.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 19:44 PM

1. That makes no sense since its only Thursday night eyebrow.gif
2. I hope they do, end it as quick as possible and get rid of the dictatorship and usher in democracy.
3. You should go to Glasgow and see what a real civil war is and see many civilian victims.
4. The lives of the many do NOT outweigh that of the few... And your wrong about not helping poor African countries with no oil.

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 19:53 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 17 2011, 21:44 PM) *

1. That makes no sense since its only Thursday night eyebrow.gif
2. I hope they do, end it as quick as possible and get rid of the dictatorship and usher in democracy.
3. You should go to Glasgow and see what a real civil war is and see many civilian victims.
4. The lives of the many do NOT outweigh that of the few... And your wrong about not helping poor African countries with no oil.

I know who you are now, the spiritual Son of Georges W. Bush !!

War is a waste and always cost the life of the weakest people.
I don't understand how you can be for an intervention of the Empire in an other country (especially a country full of oil !!)
Did you really learn nothing after the war in Iraq ?

African countries have nothing to do with Europe and they must make their choices by themselves without any intervention from western countries !

PS : Are you really able to accept all the consequences of a war ?
What if Libya use its weapons to bombard Paris or London, which would be justified !

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 20:00 PM

Your the one saying no one helps them as they have no oil when its just not true.. more aid and military policing has went into Africa than it has the middle-east.

I don't give a shit about oil.. Scotland has plenty but we aren't being invaded by America so whey.

If for example Scotland was under rule of a dictatorship and being murder and treated unfairly, deprived of human rights, we would not stand for it and we would also be hoping for aid.

To sit back and let poorly armed and un-trained civilians fight a war against a mad man and dictator whos showing no remorce in killing his own people. Its like the British Government turning on the people of Britain and murdering them, It just wouldn't happen they would resign, that's the difference between dictatorships and democracy.

These people deserve their human rights, who are you to say otherwise?

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 20:13 PM

The Human Rights is a peace of bullshit. It has been used so much times for economical interests only.

The people in Gaza deserve their Democraty as well, so why we don't go judge the israŽlian leaders in an international courthouse for the crimes against Human Rights they did ??

You're so naÔve Scotsman and naÔve guys are dangerous cause they get manipulated and are for the Wars in the world then.

Gaddafi hasn't got completly crazy, for example there is no problem in Tripoli, no one has been killed there.
The army of Gaddafi mainly fight against armed groups, which were armed by foreign countries like we can see now.

What would you do if a group of armed people come in Scotland and start fighting the government ?
Ah ye, you'll call France and England to come bombing Scotland in order to save you !

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 20:21 PM

LOL you are the one who is naive you can't even see what's in front of you.

And you just proved your own insanity by saying nothing is happening in Tripoli...

People told to stay indoors, scared to speak to each other in public, hundreds of protesters have been killed there already and made examples of.

A group of armed people haven't came to Libya, the Libyan "Government" if its even worthy of the title turns its guns on its own people and the people quite rightly are turning on them. If the British Government was to turn on its people then yes blow the fuck out of them, please. (that would never happen though as we live in a democracy.)

If France is under attack by Germany again and being invaded shall we just stand by and let them own you? I guess we would come save you for our daily shipments of baguettes.

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 20:37 PM

You're totally lost Scotsman, it's really clear that you udnerstand nothing of what happens in the world considering your last post.

And stop saying we live in Democraties please, you don't know what it means.
We don't even have our monetary sovereighty anymore.
I don't know about England, but the public opinion of France is clearly against a war.
In a direct democraty, it would have been impossible to go to a war without the aprovment of the citizens.

Se by youself who decide of the war ?
France or England by themselves ? NO
Are the 27 countries of EU for a war ? NO
Can EU decide for a war ? NO

So who decide ? UNO and NATO = US leaders

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 20:39 PM

FRANCE saying no to a war rofl, no surprises there, and no you stfu cause you have no idea about ANYTHING. Your a conspiracy theorist nut ball who should be para dropped into Libya

p.s the UK dose not use Euros

and p.s you do not understand politics or the current affairs as your to caught up in being a stupid French guy who sucks at CCG

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 20:50 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 17 2011, 22:39 PM) *

FRANCE saying no to a war rofl, no surprises there, and no you stfu cause you have no idea about ANYTHING. Your a conspiracy theorist nut ball who should be para dropped into Libya

Ye what a shame to be pacifist and to respect the National Sovereighties.

Hopefully the Lisbonne Treaty wasn't active in 2003 so France could stay away from the big Iraq deseaster.

We in France don't sell our freedom to the Empire, and we'll fight to get our Sovereigty back trust me.
Such guys like Sarkozy are high traitors to the french Nation.

PS : No I was taking about France with the monetary system.
But well the English system is sold to the banksters as well and you also have to loan money on the markets instead of printing it directly without interests.

Scotland and England are in the EU so you don't have your national sovereighty as well. You need to follow what EU say when they give european directives.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 20:52 PM

pacifist are gay

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Scotland and England are in the EU so you don't have your national sovereighty as well. You need to follow what EU say when they give european directives.


Yes we do... Scotland and England even have their own notes and coins, the UK is not a fully pledged member

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 22:12 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 17 2011, 22:52 PM) *

pacifist are gay
Yes we do... Scotland and England even have their own notes and coins, the UK is not a fully pledged member

You're kidding or what?
See how much UK has to pay each years to the EU (free money out of your taxes), in order to help developping less developped countries like Romania.

Here is a graphic of the net contribution of the budget of EU in 2003 (in Billion €). That was still the EU of 15 members.

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So that was 8 years ago !!
It's harder and harder to find this information nowadays cause EU doesn't want to tell it.

Basically in 2010 Germany is the 1st, France 2nd and UK 3rd.
France give about 7 Billion € net per year to UE atm.
There are much more poor countries in UE in 2011 than in 2003 so the contribution from developped countries get higher and higher each year.

Mrs Thatcher even said in 1979 "We want our money back !"

Study your history please.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 22:20 PM

Britain is monetarily sovereign.

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 22:22 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 00:20 AM) *

Britain is monetarily sovereign.

Of course not ! You HAVE to give free money to EU out of your taxes.
And your government can't do anything about it cause it's the decision of EU.

If you were monetarily sovereign you could say "No we don't pay".

You don't have the euro, but you still need to pay.

PS : Paying free money like we do atm can be compared with the countries which had to pay reparations after loosing a war, like Germany.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 17 2011, 22:23 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 17 2011, 18:50 PM) *

Where are the thousand of victims in Libya ?
Sorry but we didn't see any proof of the tons of dead people. Why didn't Gaddafi kill the whole citizens of Tripoli then ?

On an other hand, the victims in Japan are real victims and honnest citizens.

Again Viking you fall down in the selective victimization like you have been teached by the medias.
And then you will agree for a war against Libya which will make much more civilian victims, real victims !

Learn to think with your head not with emotional fears.


dont know what u talk about, i think i understand these things better than u wink.gif u have a rly weird way to look on that things and if more people would think the same way u do, we would have a lot more problems tongue.gif




Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 17 2011, 22:33 PM

monetarily sovereign means to be-able to print an unlimited amount of your own currency, the UK can and dose! its called the Pound sterling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling) we rejected the Euro as we don't give a shit about noob EU regulations cause we aren't a bunch of pussy's like the french

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 17 2011, 23:27 PM

LOL I've put Squaak on ignore. I had no idea this feature existed.

Posted by: squaak Mar 17 2011, 23:34 PM

@Viking :
So you're for the war as well ? Damn that's incredible !
Obviously the german leaders, Russia and China seem to think like me on this.

@Scotsman :
Yes the Bank of England is owned 100% by the Government since 1997.
But there is still a contradiction since the bank continue loaning money WITH interests to the government.
So the country continue to get more and more into debts.
What's behind the Bank of England is something very very complex and confidential.
Keep in mind that this bank was initially a private cartel when it was created and that most of the current problems that we have nowadays cause of the financial system come from here.

If UK was totally independant and controlled only by its citizens, there wouldn't be so much debts and there wouldn't be more and more restrictions on the budget. (ex : the universities)

Moreover you didn't respond to my question.
Why are you still in the EU since you give free money there ? If you were free, this is a non-sense.

For sure I never said that it's better in France, we're totally under controll as well.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 17 2011, 23:50 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 17 2011, 23:34 PM) *

@Viking :
So you're for the war as well ? Damn that's incredible !
Obviously the german leaders, Russia and China seem to think like me on this.




who talks about war? gaddafi brings the rest of the world in a position where they have to do something, a week ago a flying ban wouldve bin ok, now it might be too late.
and that russia and china are against it is clear, lybia have the same dictatorship system as them, well russia not that extrem anymore, but still, if the people win the revolution in lybia others wake up in these countrys aswell wink.gif

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 00:04 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 18 2011, 01:50 AM) *

who talks about war? gaddafi brings the rest of the world in a position where they have to do something, a week ago a flying ban wouldve bin ok, now it might be too late.
and that russia and china are against it is clear, lybia have the same dictatorship system as them, well russia not that extrem anymore, but still, if the people win the revolution in lybia others wake up in these countrys aswell wink.gif

It's not really a Revolution in Libya but better something like a civil war, a bit like the Civil War in USA in th 19th century. It's 1 clan vs an other 1.
You don't even know The rate of the citizens who are for Gaddafi and the rate of citizes against him !
There are probably more of them with Gaddafi.

This history concerns Libya, only and only Libya.
It's a private story from this country and no other governements has something to do there.

What would you say if Bismarck would have entered in War against the yankees in 1862 cause of the crimes they did and would have helped the South to win ???

That's exactly on the same level.

If Russia and China are dictators as well, I ask you who in the world isn't a dictator ???
You'll answer USA and Europe ?? LOL !

I hope for you that you don't buy any product made in China due to your convictions.
Recall me what's the biggest partner of China in Europe in term of trading ? GERMANY.

PS : UNO gave his permission to attack Libya.
What a shame !!! We'll pay the consequences for it.
There will be tons of victims.
Did you guys think about the hundred of thousand refugees who will come across Europe to save their life ???
That's crazy !

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 18 2011, 02:55 AM

Im sorry,but if you guys think that the western powers are acting in the ebest interests of the Libyan people then your're pretty much stupid and naive.And here is my evidence that these nations only act in their own selfish interests.

Algeria 1992:First ever democratic elections held.
Islamic party win in a landslide.
Army cancels elections and civil war begins.
200,000 people dead,thats 200,000humans dead!
Western powers:Zzzzzzzzzzzz


Libya 2011:Revolt with no mass protesters (recall Egypt).
Western powers: Gaddafi must be removed "he is killing his own people"

Can you see the hypocrisy there or no?

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 18 2011, 03:06 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 18 2011, 00:04 AM) *



PS : UNO gave his permission to attack Libya.
What a shame !!! We'll pay the consequences for it.
There will be tons of victims.
Did you guys think about the hundred of thousand refugees who will come across Europe to save their life ???
That's crazy !



u rly thought they would not do that? was about time, hope its not too late.

i dont know what u mean crimm.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 18 2011, 03:19 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 18 2011, 13:06 PM) *

i dont know what u mean crimm.

i mean why didnt they intervene then,why now? The people of Algeria voted for this IFS party and won by a landslide (majority).The Algerian army didnt like the results and annulled the elections and started killing people in mass.
Why didnt anyone get involved?Why didnt they impose a no-fly zone lol,on the algerian army.

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 03:22 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 18 2011, 05:06 AM) *

u rly thought they would not do that? was about time, hope its not too late.

i dont know what u mean crimm.

Viking, what about the pacific Revolution of the Bahrain. Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain to crush the revolution !!!
Nobody talks about it, that's not mediatized !


http://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2011/03/tnn-bahrain-revolution-saudi-intervenes-us-ignores-abuses/

Strangely the attack on Lybia come just when Gaddafi said that he will better trade his oil to the Chinese now, lol.

What an hypocrisy :

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Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 07:52 AM

Bahrain.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12769168 so your wrong again

Libya 2011:Revolt with no mass protesters (recall Egypt).......... em they took over half the country lols

and p.s if your so unsure keep an eye out for his latest video where he says he will kill anyone who won't surrender

squaak not sure what you mean by university budgets as Scotland and England have a very different set up, scotland has free education where as England doesn't, RBS is also the biggest bank

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 08:14 AM

It's a proved fact that the revolt in Barhain has been crushed by the forces.

Like I told it in a previous post, you guys do selective victimization.

Fact is that Barhain is 100% allied to USA, so they can't accept any contestation here, just like in Saudi Arabia.

And btw, take it easy with your main stream medias propagand please. That's the same medias which tell you that the situation is going way better at the nuclear plant in Japan .... while it's going worse ...

Gaddafi also revealed some interesting secrets like the fact that he financed Sarkozy's campaign in 2007 !
Anyway Gaddafi didnt attack any other country.
The first to attack are always the sames ...

About the universities in England, it's now 3 times more expansive smile.gif

PS : if we want to bring the glorious democraty to barbarian countries, why don't we finally just attack China, come on we can do it !

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 08:58 AM

the bbc has been reporting all along that its no safe..?

Gaddafi is murdering his own people openly even addmitted it and said he would continue to do so and the British people are 100% behind the action yet to hear anyone say against it...

Barhain hasn't been going on for months, it was over before it began... though wouldn't be suprised if it starts up again

What has that got to do with anything who gives a fuck about english unis lol

china is not slaughtering their own people if they were im sure we would

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 18 2011, 09:04 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 18 2011, 18:14 PM) *

PS : if we want to bring the glorious democraty to barbarian countries, why don't we finally just attack China, come on we can do it !

Nah thats a bit risky,those chinese are not defenceless,they will put up a mighty fight....plus we need them to make cheap shit for us.
I suggest we find another third world country to spread our "democracy and freedom" in.

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 09:17 AM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 10:58 AM) *

the bbc has been reporting all along that its no safe..?

Well I didn't watch the english medias, but the french ones officially say it's going way better there,

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 10:58 AM) *

Gaddafi is murdering his own people openly even addmitted it and said he would continue to do so and the British people are 100% behind the action yet to hear anyone say against it...

Barhain hasn't been going on for months, it was over before it began... though wouldn't be suprised if it starts up again

What's the sense for Gaddafi to kill his own people. Why don't he give them the order to suicide themselves ? He's the suprem Guide there so they would listen to him !
Imo at least 75% of the Libyan people is behind Gaddafi, the conditions of the livyan people has increased a lot since he's the leader of the country.

A French expert of Africa Bernard Lugan, said that the Empire just want to get the controll of the East (that's the area with all the oil) and want to cut Libya in 2.

Imo it's not logic to attack Gaddafi and not the Barhain since they officially both killed civilian people.

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 10:58 AM) *

china is not slaughtering their own people if they were im sure we would

Ohh really ????
What's the repression of the Tian'anmen Place in 1989 then ?


Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 09:26 AM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 18 2011, 11:04 AM) *

Nah thats a bit risky,those chinese are not defenceless,they will put up a mighty fight....plus we need them to make cheap shit for us.
I suggest we find another third world country to spread our "democracy and freedom" in.

Ye anyway I was ironic here smile.gif
The western countries have no way to defeat China and would get their ass kicked if they would start a war against it.
Moreover, Russia + Iran would military help China, just to show some resistance against the Empire.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 09:50 AM

same time i was born 1989 so don't really remember it, that video showed a peacefull protest and they tried to go around him ? didn't see people murdered in cold blood.

ah not really as china wont murder people needlessly, people are killed in demonstrations in the UK also, but there is a big difference, gaddaficunt is murdering, slaughtering women, children anyone who opposes him, until you listen to his brodcast stfu cause your just talking pish and using stupid example to try and justify the actions of a mad man, and fyi the west has not made any money from iraq or afgan, they have lost it by the millions

and china is no where near ready to take on a mobolized west..



Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 18 2011, 10:26 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 18 2011, 19:26 PM) *

Ye anyway I was ironic here smile.gif
The western countries have no way to defeat China and would get their ass kicked if they would start a war against it.
Moreover, Russia + Iran would military help China, just to show some resistance against the Empire.

i know tongue.gif,i just posted some nonsense the western powers would say.

UPDATE READY TO POUNCE LIKE A RABID http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8225608/UN-vote-clears-way-Libya-air-strikes

More deaths will occur now,its a shame that wanker wont just step down and let his people be.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 10:36 AM

YAY! go freedom

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 18 2011, 10:44 AM

WTF..look in that link i posted,theres a crazy chinese dude smashing up his lambo!!!

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 18 2011, 14:12 PM

No matter what the west does, you guys see conspiracies.
Oil free countries see massive protests > the west supports the protest to have control over neighboring countries
Oil rich countries see massive protests > the west supports it to have more control over the oil
Oil rich country has no protests > the west supports this country to have control over the oil
The west is gonna intervene in a conflict > the west supported the revolt to get control over the oil
The west lets Ghadaffi massacre the Libyan protesters > the west secretly supports Ghadaffi to get control over the oil
The west doesn't intervene in a conflict > they dont because there is no oil
Aliens land in Benghazi and kill everyone > the west has a secret space program and hired the aliens to have control over the oil

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 16:06 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

bbc ask uk Prime minister some of the questions ur asking squaak, hes a complete dick but hes explaining his actions and intentions

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 16:38 PM

You use the term conspirary too much Opsnyder, many things you stated here are just FACTS and EVIDENCES.
And it's a bit easy to discredit any opinion by using this conspiracy word without trying to verify the facts. You would see that's it's true and logic with some easy researchs.
For example, 1 of the biggest expert of Africa in France Bernard Lugan approve this version and clearly say that USA is behind this.

So afer treating all the smart guy "conspirators" ? What's left ? You feel yourself happier now ?
Is you life better ?


When Galileo wanted to proove that the Earth was round and not flat and gave its evidence, he was always treating as a "conspirator".

When reading Opsnyder, it's like reading some utopic Church analysis from the world.
It's FLAT it's FLAT, WTF what did you say ? Heretic !!!

@Scotsman :
No ofc USA didn't win anything in Iraq, they had too much money so they decided to waste some.
About Afghanistan, it's cause they had too many bombs and couldn't stock them anymore. So they gave them by charity to Afghan people. But ofc USA lost a lot of money cause of it.
Basically everything what the US army does is always by charity anyway.


PS : the bbc is really your bible for the geopolotics analysis. Everyone one knows that all what's come from the TV is the Holy Truth.

USA had 1 very infiltred country in Europe which was like a dog following its orders : that was UK.
Now with Sarkozy, they have 2 of these countries in Europe with France.

Sarkozy declares this war by himself when the favorable opinion about him is less than 20% in France.
I predict big strikes coming soon ...



Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 17:08 PM

if you watched it you would see why its a "bible for the geopolotics analysis"

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 18:50 PM

and also about time we got revenge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 19:03 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 20:50 PM) *

and also about time we got revenge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

Yes we lost a civil plane with some french people in as well cause of Gaddafi terrorism in the 80's.

But why didn't we kill him and take the country at this time then ?

Why Gaddafi did come to France in 2007 for 3 days and was received like a God ?

The official version isn't logic. It would seem that it's more worth to go save "Libyan civilian" than saving civilian from western countries which have been killed.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 19:10 PM

Also we are not committing ground forces to Libya, only air/artillery if needed (they brake ceasefire). I don't see us(the UN) moving in and taking control of the country and its resources.. how do you think they do that? magic? tongue.gif

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 19:26 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 21:10 PM) *

Also we are not committing ground forces to Libya, only air/artillery if needed (they brake ceasefire). I don't see us(the UN) moving in and taking control of the country and its resources.. how do you think they do that? magic? tongue.gif

They will take the controll of the Noth East for sure. That's were all the oil reserves are.

It would be useless that France enter in the war in the 1st rank then.
We have almost no air army and almost no naval forces.

Only USA is able to bomb efficiently non stop.

France and UK will just be used to secure the terrain with infantry forces and make sure to give the region to the rebells.

You thought that Gaddafi would fall down only with air strikes ?
It didn't work for Saddam, so no way it works for Gaddafi, who has a more modern and powerfull army.

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 18 2011, 19:45 PM

If thereīs anything the western nations shouldnīt have problems with itīs standard armies. Sadamīs army got destroyed so easily and Ghadaffiīs will as well if its needed to.
The problem in Iraq was the population resisting western occupation. In Libya they fight Ghadaffi.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 19:45 PM

Only reason France is involved is due to the new alliance with Britain as far as I can tell, we have stated their will be no ground forces deployed in Libya. The air strikes will be on his airfields and key military positions, once they are gone see how quickly the people will turn.. they fear him, 45 years of hardship for most of them, they have been inspired by recent events in neighbouring Egypt and now with backing from the UN and the UN is putting pressure on him to step down peacefully, he may do so.. he is highly unpredictable.

QUOTE
Gaddafi, who has a more modern and powerfull army.


The rebel force had no weapons at first yet managed to take many key city's and positions, they bled by the hundreds taking bullets from the army but it didn't stop them.

Another way of looking at the situation is this, your playing UvC vs Deadclown and you have no chance, hes using his superior air power to own your every move. Your only hope is to call in scotsman to come bomb his airfields so you have a chance!

In fact no its more like, okay your vs scotsman and are trying to beat him UvG on DF with vee spam like a retard, you get completely owned and he posts it on youtube and GR CCG portal, the whole community laughs at your(LIBYA) inability to command your forces and applauds me(GIDAFFIECUNT) for a job well done. HOWEVER to protect you from further embarrassment someone comes along and sets it invisible and protects you.(UN).. actually no I dk where I am going with that

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 19:47 PM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 18 2011, 20:45 PM) *

If thereīs anything the western nations shouldnīt have problems with itīs standard armies. Sadamīs army got destroyed so easily and Ghadaffiīs will as well if its needed to.
The problem in Iraq was the population resisting western occupation. In Libya they fight Ghadaffi.


THATS THE ONE, also the reason why we wont deploy troops to the ground...

its not about oil its about international justice and you will be seeing a lot more of it as the world becomes more and more globalized, its the first step in world peace imo

Posted by: fateat Mar 18 2011, 19:52 PM

I've got $20 to donate to send Squaak to the front lines in Libya and report back on what's happening. Bullet proof vest not included.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 19:55 PM

He would most likely say he was killed by US ground troops who are already there dressed as Libyan soldiers(that's whos really killing and beating civilians for the past month)

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 18 2011, 20:02 PM

Nah you got that wrong Scots. It were aliens from Zeta Reticuli that sent the reptilians on this world so they could give orders to the Zionists so that they could make America send soldiers that hired Libyan soldiers to kill civilians. Please get your facts straight.

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 20:03 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 21:47 PM) *

THATS THE ONE, also the reason why we wont deploy troops to the ground...

Well Gaddafi didn't come in France for nothing in 2007. We sold him a lot of weapons, planes, tanks, ...
He had also many contracts with Italia
So his army is very modern, like the average western countries. But of course, if he has to fight against USA + UK + France, it would be hard lol.

It would be really cool if the international coalition could do such similar action in France. After 4 years of Sarkozysm, it's a deseaster ! 80% of the french people are against him ! Please come help us for the justice !!

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 21:47 PM) *

its not about oil its about international justice and you will be seeing a lot more of it as the world becomes more and more globalized, its the first step in world peace imo

Oh ! So you're a partisan of the Bush theory ? Bring wars everywhere to get the peace ?

Yes if the globalization works, the world would be in peace under the orders of the Empire.
Like Hitler said : Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein FŁhrer.

What a wonderfull dream he had ! The 4th Reich will beginn for 1 000 years this time.

It seems there are a lot of neo-nazis on this site, that's scaring.

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 18 2011, 20:07 PM

QUOTE
Yes if the globalization works, the world would be in peace under the orders of the Empire.
Like Hitler said : Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein FŁhrer.

What a wonderfull dream he had ! The 4th Reich will beginn for 1 000 years this time.

I guess thats why the French didnt put up a fight in 1940.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 20:10 PM

Didn't say by war, its by unification of nations, joint decisions and co-operation, trade etc

Some may need persuaded not to commit atrocities against their own people... that's fine especially when he comes out with "we will show no mercy or pity" talking about his own people..

No use trying to compare the UN to Hitler just makes you look like EVEN MORE of an idiot(I thought that would be impossible)

Vote in your next election?

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 20:11 PM

Britain should have wiped France off the map when It had the chance and re-named it "farmland".

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 20:18 PM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 18 2011, 22:07 PM) *

I guess thats why the French didnt put up a fight in 1940.

Guess who gave all the powers to the Marechal Petain ?
That was the Socialist movement SFIO, created and leaded by zionists in the most parts.
When Leon Blum was in the power in the 30's, more than 50% of the governement was composed by zionists guys, and the communist party (PCF) was very very strong in France.
And this PCF was directly linked with the Russian Communist Party.

So it's easy to see that the whole french governement was totally corrupted.
France and UK even declared the war to Hitler, while they didn't have the way to beat him.

Real french people fighted as they could at this time, but that's was nearly impossible since all the corrupted governement immigrated to UK or USA, letting the army alone !

Btw, Netherland got invaded as well, you didn't stop anything, so stop with you're agressive theories please.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 20:21 PM

Lets face it, you all gave in like pussies!

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 18 2011, 20:34 PM

QUOTE(fateat @ Mar 18 2011, 19:52 PM) *

I've got $20 to donate to send Squaak to the front lines in Libya and report back on what's happening. Bullet proof vest not included.

another 20 from me, i mean it cant be that dangerous what i read here tongue.gif

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 20:41 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 22:10 PM) *

Didn't say by war, its by unification of nations, joint decisions and co-operation, trade etc

Yes that's called the corporate globalization, the NWO.
They tried to get it by the force : Napoleon Wars, WW2. But it didn't work cause people resisted too much. Now they do it with manipulation, and as people have become total idiots, it works !

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 22:10 PM) *

Some may need persuaded not to commit atrocities against their own people... that's fine especially when he comes out with "we will show no mercy or pity" talking about his own people..

Sarkozy said in 2009 "We'll go all together to the NWO, and nobody, I said nobody, will be able to do anything against it".
For me that's facsism and it show "no mercy and no pity" towards the people opinion.

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 22:10 PM) *

No use trying to compare the UN to Hitler just makes you look like EVEN MORE of an idiot(I thought that would be impossible)

Why would it be idiot ? The goal is the same : take the controll of the world.
It's like for the European Union : in 1942 when Germany invaded France and nearly all the countries fo Europe, the transition governements asked to calm down and to accept to be annexed to Germany, for building a stronger Europe.
With the creation of the EU and the euro, it's exactly what happened and we just have to obei to what Bruxelles say.


QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 22:10 PM) *

Vote in your next election?

The small candidates who have solutions and want to give us our independance are diabolized non stop by the medias, or can't even be invited in the medias.
The big candidates are approved by the system and some big groups finance their campaign then.
Elections is just an illusion while it's all about money and publicity.

Moreover, we voted "NO" to the Lisbon Treaty of Europe, and the governement ignored our votes !! The so caled "democrates" hates the real democraty and change the vote of the people when it doesn't fit.


QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 22:11 PM) *

Britain should have wiped France off the map when It had the chance and re-named it "farmland".

You're a treator to Scotland. Your ancestors fighted for their freedom and independance while you ally yourself with corporate globalization who want to lead your country and all the countries of the world.

Think about why guys like William Wallace fighted against England. You'll maybe understand what liberty and honor is.

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 20:44 PM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 18 2011, 22:34 PM) *

another 20 from me, i mean it cant be that dangerous what i read here tongue.gif

It was abolutly not dangerous in Tripoli since all the journalist of the Earth went there to interview Gaddafi and his son.
Now once the whole western enter into the war, it will be chaotic.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 21:31 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 18 2011, 21:41 PM) *

Think about why guys like William Wallace fighted against England. You'll maybe understand what liberty and honor is.


Scotland was terrorised by years of English aggression, our human rights and freedoms were at stake just as the Libyan peoples are today. We had the means to stand up for ourselves and fight the oppressors, the Libyan people do not and therefore we use our strength to secure the rights and freedoms of every man woman and child in Libya who are being oppressed and bullied, living in fear without rights.

It is our duty, our responsibility and our obligation to help the people of Libya with military and humanitarian aid without it they are lost. They have risen in overwhelming numbers in support for democracy and their rights as human beings, it goes against everything that William Wallace, Andrew Murry and Robert the Bruce fought for all those years ago.

One month ago the Libyan people protested peacefully and it was met with an iron fist, yet they have stood and held showing great resolve in their actions, that's how strongly that they now feel about the importance of their rights and clearly want a change of government.

If your so un-happy with your government then take action, you do live in a democracy your just to afraid to stand up for your beliefs and rights, go make a statement of intent, chain yourself to the Eiffel tower or better yet jump from it.

The Libyan people are doing what your afraid to do, and quite frankly I think your just jealous and wish you had the balls to take a bullet for your rights and "beliefs". But you won't and and dying in your bed, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to march to the Parliament of France and tell that Nicolas Sarkozy that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR BAGUETTES!!!!!!

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 22:31 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 23:31 PM) *

Scotland was terrorised by years of English aggression, our human rights and freedoms were at stake just as the Libyan peoples are today. We had the means to stand up for ourselves and fight the oppressors, the Libyan people do not and therefore we use our strength to secure the rights and freedoms of every man woman and child in Libya who are being oppressed and bullied, living in fear without rights.

The problem is that UNO accords himself the right to judge what's good or what's bad for a country and where we have to send soldiers and where not.
UNO is leaded by USA and it's the policeman of the world.
So of course when there are problems in friendly countries like in IsraŽl, Barhain, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, then the Human Rights don't exist anymore.
But obviously when it's about Libya, it's essential to go there to "save people".


QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 23:31 PM) *

It is our duty, our responsibility and our obligation to help the people of Libya with military and humanitarian aid without it they are lost. They have risen in overwhelming numbers in support for democracy and their rights as human beings, it goes against everything that William Wallace, Andrew Murry and Robert the Bruce fought for all those years ago.

Why don't they try to find a pacific solution ? I'm sure that would be possible.
They just need to convince Gaddafi to let all the revolted citizens quit the country so they can all immigrate to Scotland and Scotish people would help them to live better I'm sure.

That's the same for the poor guys in Lampedusa in Italia, there are evil Italian who try to avoid them coming in Italia.
Imo, in the name of the Human Rights and in the memory of William Wallace, the Scotland Governement should propose to reveive them all and to give them better living conditions.

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 23:31 PM) *

One month ago the Libyan people protested peacefully and it was met with an iron fist, yet they have stood and held showing great resolve in their actions, that's how strongly that they now feel about the importance of their rights and clearly want a change of government.

Lybian people have the best living conditions (in term of money) from the whole Africa countries. They're not poor and the country is much more developped than what you seem to know.
Why do they have such weapons if they protest pacifically ?
If a large majority of the country would have been revolted, Gaddafi would have fall down. The country is too large to deploy an army everywhere at the same time.

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 23:31 PM) *

If your so un-happy with your government then take action, you do live in a democracy your just to afraid to stand up for your beliefs and rights, go make a statement of intent, chain yourself to the Eiffel tower or better yet jump from it.

You don't make governement change in good with a Coup and we don't have weapons in France anyway. It's much better to make it change pacifically by saying the truth to more and more people. You seem to understimate the power of the medias in western countries. It's really really strong and the majority of the people usually get manipulated. Elected people don't have to respect their programm if they don't want to, so they can lie as much as they can to be elected.
That's the case of Sarkozy. What he's doing now is the total opposite of his programm.

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 23:31 PM) *

The Libyan people are doing what your afraid to do, and quite frankly I think your just jealous and wish you had the balls to take a bullet for your rights and "beliefs". But you won't and and dying in your bed, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to march to the Parliament of France and tell that Nicolas Sarkozy that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR BAGUETTES!!!!!!

You should better respect foreign countries cause only alliances for freedom between the citizen of different countries will work to get our National Sovereighty back. Remember yourself the Alliance of Scotland and France vs England.
Scotland lost its war in 1701 when they were unified with England.
I see that know you have the SNP (Scottish National Party) which made about 20% in your election. Its goal is the total independance of Scotland.
That's good that some people are aware of this and try to fight for their independance, against the globalization.


Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 22:44 PM

QUOTE
Scotland lost its war in 1701 when they were unified with England.


Eh no,

QUOTE
James Francis Edward, Prince of Wales (James Francis Edward Stuart; "The Old Pretender" or "The Old Chevalier"; 10 June 1688 Ė 1 January 1766) was the son of the deposed James II of England (James VII of Scotland). As such, he claimed the English, Scottish and Irish thrones (as James III of England and Ireland and James VIII of Scotland) from the death of his father in 1701, when he was recognized as king of England, Scotland and Ireland by his cousin Louis XIV of France. Following his death in 1766 he was succeeded by his son Charles Edward Stuart in the Jacobite Succession.


This is the act of union.. from the king of Scotland, it also seen Scotland become the "place to be".. and the intellectual capital of the world. Leading manufacture and very prosperous. Then Margaret Thatcher came into power a few hundred years later and screwed us all.

We were the backbone and key component in forging the greatest Empire in the history of the world.

P.s your responses are so incredible ridiculous I won't even respond your just arguing for the sake of it and you have not one single point in any of those responses I mean common just admit your run and suck at CCG.
The war your referring to was not Scotland vs England it was a British civil war.. Scottish vs Scottish and English v English, big FFA where it ended with lots of Scottish clans massacring another load of Scottish clans.. this resulted in the end of the war and the French guy got sent packing

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 18 2011, 22:31 PM) *

Scotland was terrorised by years of English aggression, our human rights and freedoms were at stake just as the Libyan peoples are today. We had the means to stand up for ourselves and fight the oppressors, the Libyan people do not and therefore we use our strength to secure the rights and freedoms of every man woman and child in Libya who are being oppressed and bullied, living in fear without rights.

It is our duty, our responsibility and our obligation to help the people of Libya with military and humanitarian aid without it they are lost. They have risen in overwhelming numbers in support for democracy and their rights as human beings, it goes against everything that William Wallace, Andrew Murry and Robert the Bruce fought for all those years ago.

One month ago the Libyan people protested peacefully and it was met with an iron fist, yet they have stood and held showing great resolve in their actions, that's how strongly that they now feel about the importance of their rights and clearly want a change of government.

If your so un-happy with your government then take action, you do live in a democracy your just to afraid to stand up for your beliefs and rights, go make a statement of intent, chain yourself to the Eiffel tower or better yet jump from it.

The Libyan people are doing what your afraid to do, and quite frankly I think your just jealous and wish you had the balls to take a bullet for your rights and "beliefs". But you won't and and dying in your bed, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to march to the Parliament of France and tell that Nicolas Sarkozy that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR BAGUETTES!!!!!!


This is where it ends, you have no counter argument to this, any kind of disagreement with it simply make you look like an evil man who should be send on a suicide mission with what's left of your terrible life, perhaps end it by doing something productive and helpful like saving Japan from Godzilla.

Posted by: squaak Mar 18 2011, 23:08 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 00:44 AM) *

This is the act of union.. from the king of Scotland, it also seen Scotland become the "place to be".. and the intellectual capital of the world. Leading manufacture and very prosperous. Then Margaret Thatcher came into power a few hundred years later and screwed us all.

Yes that was an act of union. But this act was like if Scotland lost a war against England. Read why they had to accept this union ! England menaced Scotland to stop the free trade exchanges between the 2 countries if Scotland wouldn't accept.
There was many protestation in the population and the majority was against it, but they needed to accept it for the trading.
The scottish parlement was removed then and the Britain Parlement was created in London.

However in 1997, some parties wanted the indepedance of Scotland and that's why there is a Scottish parlement again. However, the country stays highly influenced by the Britain Union, but you're in a better way for your independance now.

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 00:44 AM) *

We were the backbone and key component in forging the greatest Empire in the history of the world.

Yes that's why England wanted it and forced it.
But again you see the goal is to make an Empire = to conquer to biggest possible part of the world.

All Empires have always fall down in History cause it doesn't respect the liberty of the people.

Especially in the 21th century, we must fight so that all the countries get their independance and can live how they want with their own culture.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 23:31 PM

Uh no, we where joined because our Scottish king claimed the English throne, obviously some would not be to happy with the union(on both sides) this was due to the history. England did not exactly push it though.. most wanted to build and "English" Empire, they had already started expanding, it was actually far more beneficial to Scotland. It opened up the rest of the world for Scotland and then Scotland thrived!.. before the act of union Scotland was a few scattered settlements essentially with no real structure or government, the act of union open Europe up to us and also brought great wealth and prosperity to us. It was one of the most remarkable changes in the history of Europe, we kept everything that made us Scottish(clear to see from today) yet received the benefits of security and began to develop at an extraordinary rate! We built most of the ships that made the British nav what it was and a quote As the Secretary of War told Parliament in 1751, "I am for having always in our army as many Scottish soldiers as possible...because they are generally more hardy and less mutinous." Being part of this Empire was highly beneficial, we may not even be hear today if it was not for the act of union.

Scotland in 1755 was a poor rural, agricultural society with a population of 1.3 million. A handful of powerful families, typified by the dukes of Argyll, Atholl, Buccleuch, and Sutherland, owned the best lands and controlled local political, legal and economic affairs. As late as 1878, 68 families owned nearly half the land.[50]

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Scotland's transformation into a rich leader of modern industry came suddenly and unexpectedly. The population grew steadily in the 19th century, from 1,608,000 in the census of 1801 to 2,889,000 in 1851 and 4,472,000 in 1901. The economy, long based on agriculture, began to industrialize after 1790. At first the leading industry, based in the west, was the spinning and weaving of cotton. In 1861 the American Civil War suddenly cut off the supplies of raw cotton and the industry never recovered. Thanks to its many entrepreneurs and engineers, and its large stock of easily mined coal, Scotland became a world centre for engineering, shipbuilding, and locomotive construction, with steel replacing iron after 1870.

Nevertheless, there never were enough high-paying jobs, so during the 1841-1931 era, about 2 million Scots emigrated to North America and Australia, and another 750,000 relocated to England. By the 21st century, there were about as many people of Scottish descent in both Canada (see Scotch Canadians) and the U.S. (see Scottish American) as the 5 million remaining in Scotland


Scotland has played a huge role in the History of the world and really left its mark everywhere, would perhaps have been very different.

Today it is very different, we do have our own parliament but SNP has so far not been able to get enough votes, support, this might change after the next election due to the "coalition government" and the mess of things its made like Margaret thatcher did... some are unsure over dividing at this stage though, Scotland theoretically would also come out of the "divorce" better off but just a theory.. who knows what it could mean, currently we have it pretty good, we have the best of England but all the Scottish benefits, free education etc... just kind of depends whos in charge in London.. labour is usually pretty popular in Scotland

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Especially in the 21th century, we must fight so that all the countries get their independance and can live how they want with their own culture.


Disgusting statement, we should live together with our cultures in tact like Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales have done. Division cause problems and wars, unity is the way forward, discussing problems as an International community and working together to solve them. The age of conquest is over, we should look to the future and to a united future, preserve your culture and national identity but act as one world not as one nation.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 18 2011, 23:57 PM

What's the difference between Libya and Yemen or Bahrain?

All three states have been using violence to crush pro-democracy protests.

But only against Libya are the US and its Western allies planning a military response.

Yemen and Bahrain's crackdowns have so far been met only with words, not action.

On one level the answer is obvious.

Bahrain and Yemen are US allies - especially Bahrain with its large US naval base. Libya is not.

The US response to Bahrain is further complicated by neighbouring Saudi Arabia, Washington's number one Arab ally.
Sunni 'red line'

The Saudis were not happy to see Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak go.
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Having watched Tunisia and Egypt go, other Arab leaders are following Libya's lead in drawing a line in the sand and opting for force rather than dialogueĒ

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Losing the Sunni monarchy in its neighbour is a red line - that's why it took the unprecedented step of sending 1,000 troops over the border into Bahrain, after which the crackdown began.

But what happened to the "universal values" US President Barack Obama cited when he eventually backed protesters in Egypt?

His decision to abandon an old US ally there - Mr Mubarak - gave some the impression he was preparing to apply those values universally and to break with the past US policy of cosying up to other Middle Eastern regimes.

Critics say it was a dangerous impression, raising protesters' expectations as well as Gulf monarchs' blood pressure.
'Interests come first'

"The US always preaches values that it cannot live up to," says Marina Ottaway, director of the Middle East programme at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.

"In the end, its interests come first."

As the uprisings have spread out of North Africa to Bahrain and Saudi Arabia, those interests have come to the fore again, with Washington taking a more cautious, country-by-country approach.

For the US, stability in those oil-rich states now appears to trump the hopes of their protest movements.

Yemen is crucial to Washington for its battle with al-Qaeda - which makes the Obama administration cautious in how hard it pushes Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh.

"The US is very afraid that if Saleh goes, Yemen will fall apart," Ms Ottaway says.

Mr Obama condemned the latest violence in Yemen, in which at least 30 protesters were killed.
Reluctance

But he would only call for "those responsible... to be held accountable", without directly laying it at Mr Saleh's door.

Washington has had a low-key response as well to violence used by Iraqi security forces against protesters there.

Even with Libya, the new caution is on display. The administration was reluctant for some time to back a no-fly zone, fearing it could lead to a third US war on a Muslim country, after Afghanistan and Iraq.

It only did so only after it got support from Arab states and European allies.

And it is still not clear how much the US will contribute militarily to the UN-backed no-fly zone or what will happen if Col Gaddafi succeeds in hanging onto power.

With recent history in mind and the tide of protest still sweeping through the region, caution arguably looks a sensible policy from a US point of view.

But it also risks giving conservative Arab leaders the breathing space they need to stall the push for reform and hang on.

Having watched Tunisia and Egypt go, other Arab leaders are following Libya's lead in drawing a line in the sand and opting for force rather than dialogue.

It's not clear if Mr Obama can do anything about it.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 19 2011, 00:00 AM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 09:31 AM) *

we should live together with our cultures in tact like Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales have done. Division cause problems and wars, unity is the way forward, discussing problems as an International community and working together to solve them. The age of conquest is over, we should look to the future and to a united future, preserve your culture and national identity but act as one world not as one nation.

You are funny scots...conquest is over????? lmao!The bigger fish has and will always eat the smaller fish.
its a shame but thats how the world is.

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 00:20 AM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 01:31 AM) *

Disgusting statement, we should live together with our cultures in tact like Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales have done. Division cause problems and wars, unity is the way forward, discussing problems as an International community and working together to solve them. The age of conquest is over, we should look to the future and to a united future, preserve your culture and national identity but act as one world not as one nation.

There are a lot of contradictions here.
First of all we can't live all together with our own cultur in the same country.
For example if you put an amazonian Indian in Scotland, it will be totally impossible for him to live with his culture in Scotland. That's the same for a very religious muslim arabian for example. In his culture, he has to prey 5 times per day, which would not be possible if he works in Scotland.

The Alliance of Ireland and Great Britain works cause you have all a very close culture. You have the same principles of life which are the western principles.

But why would you ask that all the world to convert themselves to the western principles and not to eastern ? The facts is that the cultures are so different between an African, an Arabian, a Japanese, an european, ... that they can't all lives with their own cultures on the same country, else it's chaotic.

The corporate globalization or uniformization want to remove all the specific cultures and kill the national identities of all, in order to form a new citizen. That's the real ideology of the Human Right, so that all the citizens are equally the same.
So the goal is that there should be no differences between an African and a Scottish. In order to create this new citizen, they encourage the people interbreeding.
Imagine how it would be good in term of marketing if all the people have the same culture and the same needs !

For these leaders, the scottish identity, like the french identity doesn't exist, and it is a danger for the globalization.

Like you said the goal should be to live in peace and that all the nations can cooperate. That's what I want as well : creating a world of nations and not an uniformized world without nations and without national identities !

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 19 2011, 02:16 AM

France got bashed as if it was Poland which still had a cavalry army France was supposed to be one of the worlds powers. France kept its reputation high.

BTW, this night 40 unarmed protesters in Yemen were killed by the government. Yemen has no oil though. How are we gonna explain this unrest?

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 02:47 AM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 19 2011, 04:16 AM) *

France got bashed as if it was Poland which still had a cavalry army France was supposed to be one of the worlds powers. France kept its reputation high.

You're not patriotic but nationalist with the hate of the other nations. So you're very close to Nazism with this way of thinking.

France was already highly infiltred in the 3rd Republic and it got worse after the Dreyfus judgment (the jew accused to be a spy from Germany). The partisan of Dreyfus won and then zionist jews took a very very high influence in France till WW2.

France "got bashed" like you said but that was in 1789 and never could stand up again cause of this non-sense revolution. All what followed was a total waste (Except Charles De Gaulle after WW2).

You seem to resume the Wars in the 19th and 20th century as nations vs nations wars without even trying to see who financed those wars and who was the real winner of this chaos.

I recommand you to study Mathematics and Philosophy, cause you absolutly need to increase your capacities to think.

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 19 2011, 04:16 AM) *

BTW, this night 40 unarmed protesters in Yemen were killed by the government. Yemen has no oil though. How are we gonna explain this unrest?

Yes they protested against the tyranic governement of Yemen and got killed cause it's a tyranic governement which can't accept any form of opposition.
Yemen HAS oil. Its reserves are estimated as 1,7 Billion barils that can be exploited !
Ofc Yemen is very well controlled by USA and the leaders obey very well since they respect all the production rate that USA wants.

For example Yemen could increase their production of barils very very much and distribuate all the money to the population.
BUT then the global price of oil would decrease cause there would be more global production around the world and the big companies wouldn't win as much money !!!
If they would do this, you could be sure that the UNO and NATO would attack them in the week.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 11:34 AM

Scotland and England have the same culture do we? That alone proves my point.

Posted by: Murder- Mar 19 2011, 13:08 PM

Scotland isn't even a country!

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 13:26 PM

We are 10000x the country the pussy country your come from

Posted by: Murder- Mar 19 2011, 13:50 PM

Never!

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 13:51 PM

ofc we are

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 15:01 PM

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Scotland and England have the same culture do we? That alone proves my point.

You live in the same area and speak the same language isn't it ? You have a comon history with them over cenuries.

Is it true or is Scotland an African clan with Voodoo magical practices ?

Saying that Scotland and England have not the same culture is like saying France and Italia don't have the same one.

Culture is different than identity.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 15:22 PM

Culture is music, dialect, traditions, language etc... Scotland and England are very different.

My aunt Carol is African living in Scotland and she keeps all her traditions and culture, just one example of many.

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 15:50 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 17:22 PM) *

Culture is music, dialect, traditions, language etc... Scotland and England are very different.

They have not the same identity ofc but a part of comon culture especially since the Union Act.
Also Scotland, like the whole UK is a Christian State by tradition.
If England would have been an islamic country, there is no chance that you would have make an union with them.

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 17:22 PM) *

My aunt Carol is African living in Scotland and she keeps all her traditions and culture, just one example of many.

That seems impossible to me.
It's like if you say a scottish guy can live like in Scotland when he goes to an African country.

Moreover, there is no way that an immigrate can integrate himself if he doesn't adopt the culture from his new country.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 16:13 PM

Its like talking to a brick wall... you have no idea what culture is do you? Scottish and English culture is very different and very clear. And on religion its like 1.5% of the population attends Catholic churches, and 1.4% Anglican churches. Church of England is not Catholic. Church of Scotland is not Catholic.

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 16:45 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 18:13 PM) *

Its like talking to a brick wall... you have no idea what culture is do you? Scottish and English culture is very different and very clear. And on religion its like 1.5% of the population attends Catholic churches, and 1.4% Anglican churches. Church of England is not Catholic. Church of Scotland is not Catholic.

The christian Church played a very very important role in Scotland and was introduced since the 7th century. It's a big part of the scottish culture for sure.
You wouldn't have had any Kingdom without the influence of the Church ...
Due to a survey in 2001, 42% of the population is attached to the Church of Scotland ...
And of course it's not Catholic, they've been separated from it in the 16th century and are Protestant just like England.

Stop saying BS

PS : Even the flag of Scottland is from the Catholic Church and it represents a Cross of Saint Andrew

"The legend surrounding Scotland's association with the Saint Andrew's Cross dates from a 9th century battle, where ”engus II led a combined force of Picts and Scots to victory over the Angles, led by ∆thelstan.[7] Consisting of a blue background over which is placed a white representation of an X-shaped cross, the Saltire is one of Scotland's most recognisable symbols."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Scotland

The whole scottish indentity like most of the countries in Europe where unified under the Church. That's the source of your identity and that's why most of the european countries have comon culture and tradition. I never said that the culture are the same 100% but the comon point is the Christian tradition.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 17:03 PM

Its you that's saying BS and now contradicting yourself!... you said..

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Also Scotland, like the whole UK is a Christian State by tradition.


Incredibly false, most of our traditions come from before the Romans showed up, before the churches were established. Christianity is also different from catholic as is protestant, not to mention other religions across the UK, such a huge part of our culture yet only like 2% attends?

Religion is not culture, culture is a spirit and traditions, Just like its French custom and culture to run the fuck away scared, its in your blood and genetics it will always be a part of you and your descendants:)

Fact is Scotland and England have lived side by side with sketchy at best borders but have two very unique and different cultures. Nothing you can say will ever change that... and it just back up my point that people with different backgrounds, cultures beliefs can live, work and co-operate together peacefully.

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 17:28 PM

You deny your own flag so ?

Saying that your cultures is only and only what's before the Romans is like if I say that french people have nothing to do with France but are Gaul.

Yes religion is spirit and tradition and that's what unified the countries of Europe into Nations.
But the culture of the country gets inspired from the religion then.

Like the Classicism, the Romantism, the Baroque, the gothic ....

Those movments have taken place in most of the countries of Europe, even in Scotland and influenced its architectur and art.

So it's just dumb to reject all what's from the Christian domination and from the Greek and Roman culture. Really that's insane.

It's impossible to speak with you Scot. Everytimes I say "white" you say "black" and you reject all the arguments, even historical facts.


Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 17:32 PM

No... your the one claiming that Scotland and England have the same cultures because for a short period they were both largely practising the same faith.... its a modern and historical FACT that Scotland and England have VERY different cultures and NOTHING you say changes it as its simply FACT.

FACT FACT FACT.

Not your stupid look on everything, not your conspiracy its FACT.

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 17:42 PM

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No... your the one claiming that Scotland and England have the same cultures because for a short period they were both largely practising the same faith.... its a modern and historical FACT that Scotland and England have VERY different cultures and NOTHING you say changes it as its simply FACT.

FACT FACT FACT.

Not your stupid look on everything, not your conspiracy its FACT.

Are you saying that Scotland lived isolated from the whole Europe and developped itself all its own architectur, art, philosphy ... ????
That's FALSE since all the countries were linked in the west of Europe.

You also developped the Renaissance yourself ? NO Renaissance came from Italia and influenced all the countries from Europe, even Scotland.

You don't know what culture means.

You should go to an arab city and see what's the difference between Saudi Arabia and Scotland vs England and Scotland ........

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 17:56 PM

I have been to Scotland and England, you wont find anything the same, they are like different worlds..

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 18:07 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 19:56 PM) *

I have been to Scotland and England, you wont find anything the same, they are like different worlds..

That's probably just you since you live in the 4th dimension.

When I go to England, Germany, Swiss, Italy, I'm far from being lost cause there are comon culture with my country.

I guess I would be lost if I had to go to India or Africa.

PS : What's ironic is that you can't even see what's close between Scotland and England culture, but you're a partisan to the corporate globalizatiion to uniformize all the cultures. HAHA

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 18:50 PM

uniformize(not a word) all the cultures.... that's where you are wrong and can't understand.. its maybe you are not 100% efficient as a human being and struggle with simple things? I don't know..

You have not been to Scotland or England right? not both or you would understand and see the differences... for starters Scotland's major cities Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen are all VERY different architecturally. Then the rest of the country.. small port towns, villages with spread out housing acres of space, each house with a distinctly Scottish feel to it. Castles.. etc

Edinburgh
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Glasgow
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Aberdeen
http://www.europeancitiesmarketing.com/userfiles/image/Aberdeen.jpg



Falkirk
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http://www.thetimesharemart.com/yellow_images/1290268007_logo_Loch_Lomond_Cameron_House.jpg



London
http://www.tudorcoachhire.com/data/images/Tudor/LondonSkylineEngland.jpg

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 20:37 PM

Ceilings of these houses were decorated with vividly coloured painting on boards and beams, using emblematic motifs from European pattern books or the artist's interpretation of trailing grotesque patterns.[4] The grandest buildings of this type were the royal palaces in this style at Linlithgow, Holyrood, Falkland and the remodelled Stirling Castle,[5] all of which have elements of continental European architecture, particularly from France and the Low Countries, adapted to Scottish idioms and materials (particularly stone and harl)

However, there were some churches built in a grander continental style. French master-mason John Morrow was employed at the building of Glasgow Cathedral and the rebuilding of Melrose Abbey, both considered fine examples of Gothic architecture.

The Scots baronial Style (new Gothic style) is from the Gothic Architectur. And the Gothic Architectur comes from France.

That's always the same, 1 coutry invents a new design, and then all the other countries around try to do the same and adapt it to their countries.

There are also parts of the Victorian Style in Scotland.

The cities are also VERY differents from each other in France cause there are many many architectural styles and adaptations from te whole history, which is comon to all European countries.

But for sure there are also very traditional Scotland architecture that you can't see anywhere else and that Scottish people invented. But that looks more like that :

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Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 20:52 PM

funny since thats not even Scottish design

your post makes no sense btw your not even talking about anything just quoting stuff from wikpedia that actually doesn't even fit lol

I think you should stop pretending to know things about Scotland, Libya anywhere when you don't even know the basic things about your own country.

Your arguing for no reason, your arguments have no reason, thought structure or even a point. What your saying is essentially just shite, its like saying your USA could match an average players China, complete and utter fantasy.

Wake up and stop living in a dream world squaak

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 21:13 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 22:52 PM) *

funny since thats not even Scottish design

your post makes no sense btw your not even talking about anything just quoting stuff from wikpedia that actually doesn't even fit lol

I think you should stop pretending to know things about Scotland, Libya anywhere when you don't even know the basic things about your own country.

Your arguing for no reason, your arguments have no reason, thought structure or even a point. What your saying is essentially just shite, its like saying your USA could match an average players China, complete and utter fantasy.

Wake up and stop living in a dream world squaak

Of course Black House are Scottish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_house

Wtf scot, firstly you didn't know about the origins of your flag, now you don't even now about the traditionnally Scottish architecture ...

You seem very ignorant about your own country, culture, religion, architecture ...

You should take your card to the SNP and ask for some history lessons imo, those guys are real Scotsmen.
You're just 100% americanized.

And about Libya, I heard that the troops of Gaddafi destroyed a rebell plane !
So those "poor civilians" actually have an airforce ? smile.gif

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 21:20 PM

Yeah you should read you wiki links first as I am sure it well tell you somewhere its of Irish design..

"And about Libya, I heard that the troops of Gaddafi destroyed a rebell plane !
So those "poor civilians" actually have an airforce ?"

Go watch the video of it? ... its a Libyan plane, most likely stolen or someone who has turned to the rebel side.

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 21:39 PM

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110319/twl-rebel-jet-shot-down-by-libyan-troops-3fd0ae9.html

It is impossible to "steal" a plane.
Moreover since they're all innocent civils, this is no way they can know how to pilot a military plane.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 21:51 PM

holy fuck squaak... read the headline you ignorant bastard.

A rebel-operated jet fighter has crashed in Benghazi - as Libyan forces intend to deploy 'human shields' to thwart a UN-backed bombing campaign.

Posted by: squaak Mar 19 2011, 22:06 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 19 2011, 23:51 PM) *

holy fuck squaak... read the headline you ignorant bastard.

A rebel-operated jet fighter has crashed in Benghazi - as Libyan forces intend to deploy 'human shields' to thwart a UN-backed bombing campaign.

Yes so what?
I still don't see how it can be possible to steal planes.
Except if some1 gave them these planes.

You didn't answer to this question : How come innocent civil learned how to pilot a jet fighter ?

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 22:08 PM

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... its a Libyan plane, most likely stolen or someone who has turned to the rebel side.


answered it several posts ago.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 19 2011, 23:01 PM

there is military personnel who have defected to the rebels squaak,maybe thats how they got the plane.

Scots your words are getting very harsh towards squaak.

one thing i would like to comment on concerning france surrendering in ww2,when germany invaded france they were no so fortunate to have a body of water surrounding them and protecting them.
Had England been connected to the European mainland,maybe we would all be speaking german now.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 19 2011, 23:05 PM

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Falkirk
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Scots i remember seeing a doco about this,is it that thing that lifts boats up and moves them upstream to a different level of the lake,river?

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 19 2011, 23:17 PM

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Scots your words are getting very harsh towards squaak.




understandable imo.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 19 2011, 23:19 PM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 20 2011, 09:17 AM) *

understandable imo.

Not really.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 19 2011, 23:50 PM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 20 2011, 00:05 AM) *

Scots i remember seeing a doco about this,is it that thing that lifts boats up and moves them upstream to a different level of the lake,river?


yeah it is smile.gif

short walk from my house! and im being nice to squaak noob whos just talking shite.
You are my master crim! :@

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 00:07 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 20 2011, 01:17 AM) *

understandable imo.

You get manipulated like a little kid. I can't believe that a german can be for the war today.
German leaders have learned the lesson at least.

So you agree with Scot, Scotland has nothing to due culturally with Europe ?
You all went to islamic schools or what ??

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 20 2011, 01:01 AM) *

there is military personnel who have defected to the rebels squaak,maybe thats how they got the plane.

There are many suppositions here :
Firstly innocent civilians, then the same civilians who stole a jet, and now a whole rebell army with tons of weapons.


QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 20 2011, 01:01 AM) *

Scots your words are getting very harsh towards squaak.

Violence is the only defense for weak persons when their ego get hurt.
I forgive him, cause he will maybe learn with the age and apologies later.

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 20 2011, 01:01 AM) *

one thing i would like to comment on concerning france surrendering in ww2,when germany invaded france they were no so fortunate to have a body of water surrounding them and protecting them.
Had England been connected to the European mainland,maybe we would all be speaking german now.

Hitler never wanted to be in war with Britain.
Of course he wanted to take his revenge against France cause of the Versailles Treaty, that's understandable.

Remember of the "Miracle of Dunkerque" ?
The British army was totally encircled by german forces and they would have die.
BUT Hitler stopped his armys and let 330 000 British soldier leave with ships to England.
He said that the British blood is much too precious in his eyes.
Don't forget he was racist and for the white supremacy.
He wanted an alliance of the occidental countries in order to destroy the communist menance in Russia. Hitler was totally anti-communist and that's for this reason he came to the power.

What Hitler absolutly didn't want was a 2 fronts war (East + West) so he made all what he could to make the peace with Britain.

He even sent Rudolph Hess (the 2nd man of the 3rd Reich) the 10. May 1941 to England in order to negociate the peace.
He thought he had the agreement from the British leaders and that's why he started the war in Russia 1 month later the 22. June 1941.
Else, he would never had attacked Russia before destroyed England (and he had the possibility to destroy it before he oppened the 2 fronts). Don't forget he had the German-Sovietic Act and so he was safe on this east side


Hitler just didn't understand at this time that "the Allies" were totally under controll of the big finance and all what they wanted is to make the worst possible war and to kill the most possible people, in order to make money, to create IsraŽl and to create the UNO in order to make a world governement controlled by themself for "the peace".

PS : Btw with Libya it's really possible that it finish real bad. I mean an alliance of Iran + Russia + China vs the western.
Russia and China announced today that they officially stop using the US dollar for their trade.
On the road to WW3 ?


Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 20 2011, 00:09 AM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 20 2011, 09:50 AM) *

yeah it is smile.gif

short walk from my house! and im being nice to squaak noob whos just talking shite.
You are my master crim! :@

I know m8,thank you very much for your kind words.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 00:11 AM

Maybe we will get lucky and there will be no France after WW3!

Posted by: -HaTeR- Mar 20 2011, 00:11 AM

No no, squaak is right. It's impossible that military pilots joined the revolution and probably did that with "their" jets.
Totally irrealistic that areas controlled by revolutionairs have air force bases which usually have aircrafts.

And of course, there didn't land a few jets and 4 military helicopters on italian (or at least european) territory and applied for asylum.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 00:12 AM

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Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 00:13 AM

BTW the gaddaffikent who yi love so much says we will all regret it if we let the al-Qaeda take over his country laugh.gif that includes France:(

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 20 2011, 00:19 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 10:07 AM) *

Remember of the "Miracle of Dunkerque" ?
The British army was totally encircled by german forces and they would have die.
BUT Hitler stopped his armys and let 330 000 British soldier leave with ships to England.
He said that the British blood is much too precious in his eyes.

yes im quite familiar with this event,shame its not talked about alot or the importance of it.

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 10:07 AM) *

Don't forget he was racist and for the white supremacy.

That he was not,another lie from the mass media.I can provide you with evidence squaak if you want.

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 10:07 AM) *

PS : Btw with Libya it's really possible that it finish real bad. I mean an alliance of Iran + Russia + China vs the western.
Russia and China announced today that they officially stop using the US dollar for their trade.
On the road to WW3 ?

When the saudis decide to trade oil in euros and not $'s you can be sure ww3 is imminent.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 20 2011, 00:32 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 00:07 AM) *

You get manipulated like a little kid. I can't believe that a german can be for the war today.
German leaders have learned the lesson at least.




see what i mean warcrimm? wink.gif

i think ur the on whos manipulated squaak.

Posted by: -HaTeR- Mar 20 2011, 00:39 AM

At least, you guys love conspiracies.

I don't know what you guys' knowledge about international law and stuff around that is, but China and Russia--as two of five permanent members of the security counsil of the UN--have the ability to put a Veto. But they didn't make use of it. Why?
Most likely because they do have very similar situations in their own country: China->Tibet; Russia->Chechnya
That would be totally hypocrite of they said Go-Go to the Resolution 1973 while doing the same at home.
Is oil the main creteria? Probably not, else other countries or the US would have intervened earlier and without waiting for the security counsil to decide.
The US as well as some other european countries are not really interested getting dragged into another and maybe endless war.
Don't neglect that the Arabian League requested an intervention. Gadaffi is crazy, he's totally dangerous and unpredictable. I'm swiss, we had the pleasure to deal with him for about 2 years.

Personally, I'm a bit confused about Sarkozy. I haven't seen through yet the real motive for his intentions.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 00:49 AM

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 02:11 AM) *

And of course, there didn't land a few jets and 4 military helicopters on italian (or at least european) territory and applied for asylum.

Neutral swiss is for the war as well ?
You should join UE and leave your direct democraty then, it prevents the war too much post-13661-1143531603.gif

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 20 2011, 02:13 AM) *

BTW the gaddaffikent who yi love so much says we will all regret it if we let the al-Qaeda take over his country laugh.gif that includes France:(

al Quaeda = leaded by USA. So yes they can make terrorism act where they want when they want once USA say it's ok.

But the big menace is all the immigrants which come from these countries.

See what happens in Lampedusa (Itlalia) atm :
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/11_marzo_18/immigrati-lampedusa-nuovi-sbarchi-rischio-naufragio_28f7932a-514e-11e0-b0a4-77b20470b36e.shtml

So they're in the UE and can go where they want. 10 000 have come since 1 month.

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 20 2011, 02:19 AM) *

That he was not,another lie from the mass media.I can provide you with evidence squaak if you want.

He was for the defence of the white race at least and he was eugenic. That's enough to say he was racist imo.

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 20 2011, 02:32 AM) *

i think ur the on whos manipulated squaak.

Cause I'm against the war ?
The US coalition already killed more people today than Gaddafi during 1 month.
They've sent 110 tomahawks missiles, imagine it.

I'll never understand the little "Bush guys" like you.

Posted by: -HaTeR- Mar 20 2011, 01:07 AM

Ehhh, I think you totally fail to see the severeness of this conflict. Gadaffi slaughters his own ppl. He needs to be stopped and also the Charter of the UN says clearly in case of humanitarian crisis the security counsil is allowed, no even MUST intervene stop potential genozide. Libya is member of the UN and therefore accepted its charter.
There is absolutely no objective reason to be against an intervention especially since air operations only are permitted. Civil victims caused by international attacks will most likely be kept to zero or to a very minimum, in any case lower as when they would not attack.

There is only one potential bad side. Probably, it'll stop the current arabian revolution. Reason: the ppl were not able by themself to free them as in egypt and tunesia.
Maybe, other countries struggeling with protests will cool down having in mind not be willing to risk to end up like Libya: civil war with possible outlandish participation.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 01:21 AM

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 02:39 AM) *

At least, you guys love conspiracies.

That's just deductions. Think rationally, use facts, judge by yourself and you'll be in the conspiracies as well once you understand.
The very first thing to study is the whole Financial system. Once you understood it properly and who created it, you will not call it a conspiracy anymore.

Remember "the NWO" was a conspiracy as well untill our leaders announced in officially on the TV !!!

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 02:39 AM) *

I don't know what you guys' knowledge about international law and stuff around that is, but China and Russia--as two of five permanent members of the security counsil of the UN--have the ability to put a Veto. But they didn't make use of it. Why?
Most likely because they do have very similar situations in their own country: China->Tibet; Russia->Chechnya

China and Russia have economical interests as well and probably they found it better to stay neutral.
A Veto would maybe have been interpreted like a declaration of War by US and Nato.

The terrorists of Chechnya are financed by US. That's the same for Georgia, US had much influences in this country and tried to set a military base there, to controll Russia. That's why Russia took a part of Georgia in 2008.
All is made by USA to encircle Russia at all costs.
Why do you think they absolutly want that Turkey enter in the EU ?

Anyway this war is a non-sens in Libya considering what happend in Barhain, Yemen and Ethiopia where thousand of christian people are killed. They should better go there if they want to save the peace.


QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 02:39 AM) *

Is oil the main creteria? Probably not, else other countries or the US would have intervened earlier and without waiting for the security counsil to decide.
The US as well as some other european countries are not really interested getting dragged into another and maybe endless war.
Don't neglect that the Arabian League requested an intervention. Gadaffi is crazy, he's totally dangerous and unpredictable. I'm swiss, we had the pleasure to deal with him for about 2 years.

Oil is most likely the main criteria, else they would have gone to Barhain too.
Their plans are to cut the country in 2 parts so they get all the oil in the North East.
Imo they wanted to do it pacifically firstly (forcing Gaddafi to leave) and to set 1 of their pawns to lead Libya. But Gaddafi is a patriot of his country (he made the revolution there) and he developped Libya a lot. He will never leave.
If he's so dangerous, we should have killed him ages ago, so why did he come like a god in France in 2007 ?


QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 02:39 AM) *

Personally, I'm a bit confused about Sarkozy. I haven't seen through yet the real motive for his intentions.

Sarkozy is a slave of the US leaders. They've put him as president in France so now they can use it as they want.
Sarkozy even signed an act in november 2010 (with Cameron) which agree that the French army is now totally under the order of US and Britain.

He has less than 20% of favorable opinion in France, and that was before the beginning of this war !!!




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Posted by: trve^viking Mar 20 2011, 01:25 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 00:49 AM) *


Cause I'm against the war ?
The US coalition already killed more people today than Gaddafi during 1 month.
They've sent 110 tomahawks missiles, imagine it.

I'll never understand the little "Bush guys" like you.


no, cause u rly seem to belive all this bullshit, not only from lybia but ur whole view on the things with
" zionists"
its not black and white, there are military actions which are ok and some which are not, same goes for political decisions.

how u know how many people they killed before? and now?

yea and i will never understand " i belive evry bullshit i hear, main thing is it sounds weird" guys like u biggrin.gif

and no, i dont liked bush.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 01:49 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 20 2011, 03:25 AM) *

no, cause u rly seem to belive all this bullshit, not only from lybia but ur whole view on the things with
" zionists"

I'm not the sort of person to trust some crazy rumors blindly.
I've a scientific and an economical formation so I only get my things by facts + deductions.
And I do many many researchs before I really trust at something.

I firstly had nothing about zionists or anyone, just was a bit surprised of why all the countries are into debts, why so much immigration and why all the delocalizations.
Cause I think you will agree that it's not very logic for a country to suicide itself.

So I studied the financial system. Where comes the money from ? Who creates money ? At what conditions ? Why the financial crisis in 2007 ? Why the financial crisis in 1929 ?
There are many facts and books about it, you will learn a lot of things.

So once you get in it, you suddenly understand that only privates banks have the right to create money. The Nations had this right before but they lost it in the western countries.
So then you ask yourself an essential question :
Why don't we take the right to print our money again without paying interests (just like it was before) ?

And for sure to answer this question, you must find who created this system. Once you find it, you'll see that all what rules the world are the banksters. They have an infinite power.
And it's maybe just a coÔncidence but the ones who created it were Jew and Zionist.
Believe it that I would have argued as much if they were muslim or catholics.

So then you just have to study what's the zionism, how it was created ? By who ? When ? What's the goal of it ?
And well you'll understand nearly all the wars of the world since 250 years.


QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 20 2011, 03:25 AM) *

yea and i will never understand " i belive evry bullshit i hear, main thing is it sounds weird" guys like u biggrin.gif

Study the financial system, forget about zionism or whatever, I understand that it can seem like xenophobia once you didn't understand the financial system perfectly.

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 20 2011, 03:25 AM) *

and no, i dont liked bush.

You don't like him but you agree with him as Bush wants the war.
Btw Sarkozy was also for the war in Iraq in 2003.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 20 2011, 01:53 AM

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 11:07 AM) *

Ehhh, I think you totally fail to see the severeness of this conflict. Gadaffi slaughters his own ppl. He needs to be stopped and also the Charter of the UN says clearly in case of humanitarian crisis the security counsil is allowed, no even MUST intervene stop potential genozide. Libya is member of the UN and therefore accepted its charter.

Hater you are very much right in what you say....but can you see my point when i say where was the international community when 400 children were being butchered in gaza,not by a dictatorship but by a so called democracy.Can you understand what i mean when i talk about hypocrisy?

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 20 2011, 01:53 AM

who said i was for the iraq war?

Posted by: -HaTeR- Mar 20 2011, 01:55 AM

Please, link of this act in nov 2010. I guess you misinterpreted that one. As you say "act", it's a so called gentleman-agreement which is classified as soft law. Soft law is like nothing in international circles.

I guess by "who created the financial system" you allude to 'the jews'. Uhm, how shall I say that... it's a religion, you know. It's not like race or anything. You can convert to it anytime and then you suddenly get that 'evil gene'?

Anyways! Kinda boring...
Can you picture us how it should have gone on without outlandish internvention in Libya?
I mean, it must have been the lesser evil to let Gadaffi do. So, I'm very curious for solution.

Posted by: -HaTeR- Mar 20 2011, 02:19 AM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 20 2011, 02:53 AM) *

Hater you are very much right in what you say....but can you see my point when i say where was the international community when 400 children were being butchered in gaza,not by a dictatorship but by a so called democracy.Can you understand what i mean when i talk about hypocrisy?

See, the palestina-israel conflict is a totally different thing. I am a bit doubfull towards that number you wrote and that they were litterally 'butchered'. I guess it's a number that comes together when you count all the collateral damage caused. But guess what triggered that attack(s) so 400 dead kids are to claim.
My intention is not to play down that tragedy. It's just completely different to Libya.

Have you heard any of Gadaffi's latest speeches? Everyone supporting the rebels in any way deserved death, they shall be punished. And I assure you in case Gadaffi's troops, which are in high numbers of mercenary soldiers, invade Benghasi, hundreds if not thousand of ppl are going to die. The revenge will be terrible.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 02:19 AM

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 03:55 AM) *

Please, link of this act in nov 2010. I guess you misinterpreted that one. As you say "act", it's a so called gentleman-agreement which is classified as soft law. Soft law is like nothing in international circles.

I guess by "who created the financial system" you allude to 'the jews'. Uhm, how shall I say that... it's a religion, you know. It's not like race or anything. You can convert to it anytime and then you suddenly get that 'evil gene'?

Anyways! Kinda boring...
Can you picture us how it should have gone on without outlandish internvention in Libya?
I mean, it must have been the lesser evil to let Gadaffi do. So, I'm very curious for solution.

I would have many essential documents to show you but most of them are in french.

Here is the cooperation act between France and England.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2010/11/02/01003-20101102ARTFIG00716-paris-et-londres-scellent-leur-entente-cordiale.php


Here is also 1 very interessant article in french about the war in Libya (it's from the 9. March)
http://sos-crise.over-blog.com/article-l-armee-fran-aise-est-sur-le-sol-libyen-avec-anglais-et-americains-68911959.html

About the financial system, it has nothing to do with a religion. Those guys use the term" jew" so that they can't be attacked but they're not religious, they have nothing comparable with the rabbys.
Btw why are there antizionists Jews in your opinion ?
The founder of this is Mayor Rothshild. Read his biography, you'll be amazed.
That's also the Rothshild family who buyed the terrain in Palestinia in order to create IsraŽl.
There are many many facts. Look by yourself to understand properly.

If western didn't enter in war against Libya, the revolution of the rebells would have failed. So as they tried to attack their governement with high weapons, that's high treason.
If they don't want to get killed they must leave the country, I'm sure Gaddafi would let them all leave without violence.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 02:39 AM

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 04:19 AM) *

See, the palestina-israel conflict is a totally different thing. I am a bit doubfull towards that number you wrote and that they were litterally 'butchered'. I guess it's a number that comes together when you count all the collateral damage caused. But guess what triggered that attack(s) so 400 dead kids are to claim.
My intention is not to play down that tragedy. It's just completely different to Libya.

What happens to Palestinia is far worst than Libya. All these Palestinian families who had to leave their home and their country, all these attacks against them. And they don't have planes nor tanks to defend themselves or modern weapons cause they are real civilians !!!

IsraŽl is a colonial State which make the Partheid.
I recommand you to read the Talmud or the best quotes of it to see what's their religion in fact.

Creation of IsraŽl State :




Palestinia between 1920 and 1930


QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 04:19 AM) *

Have you heard any of Gadaffi's latest speeches? Everyone supporting the rebels in any way deserved death, they shall be punished. And I assure you in case Gadaffi's troops, which are in high numbers of mercenary soldiers, invade Benghasi, hundreds if not thousand of ppl are going to die. The revenge will be terrible.

If all 5% of the swiss citizen take their weapons and go out in order to make a Revolution with their weapons, I'm sure the revenge will be terrible too.
Any normal governement would not accept it, except maybe suicide leaders like Louis XVI in 1789.
The revolutionaries have failed and they have to immigrate now to avoid any problem.

Posted by: -HaTeR- Mar 20 2011, 02:48 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 03:19 AM) *

I would have many essential documents to show you but most of them are in french.

Here is the cooperation act between France and England.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2010/11/02/01003-20101102ARTFIG00716-paris-et-londres-scellent-leur-entente-cordiale.php

It's too late to properly read that text in french... but from what I read by going through it quickly, it's about a coalition of France and Great Britain. Where are the US?
And I'd have loved to see the original document, not a pre-judged media article.

QUOTE
About the financial system, it has nothing to do with a religion. Those guys use the term" jew" so that they can't be attacked but they're not religious, they have nothing comparable with the rabbys.
Btw why are there antizionists Jews in your opinion ?
The founder of this is Mayor Rothshild. Read his biography, you'll be amazed.
That's also the Rothshild family who buyed the terrain in Palestinia in order to create IsraŽl.
There are many many facts. Look by yourself to understand properly.

I know too less to get deeper into that.

QUOTE
If western didn't enter in war against Libya, the revolution of the rebells would have failed. So as they tried to attack their governement with high weapons, that's high treason.
If they don't want to get killed they must leave the country, I'm sure Gaddafi would let them all leave without violence.

Wow, squaak. That is super naive. I'm shocked.

Are you as sure as the proclaimed armistice 24 hours ago was?

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 03:01 AM

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 04:48 AM) *

It's too late to properly read that text in french... but from what I read by going through it quickly, it's about a coalition of France and Great Britain. Where are the US?
And I'd have loved to see the original document, not a pre-judged media article.

It is said at the end of the article : "le feu vert amťricain ŗ cette alliance"
which means : "US gave its permission to this alliance"

Yes I agree it would be good to see the original document, I'll see if it is possible to find it.
Anyway this media is the 1st newspaper in France and no one contested the article.
Moreover France and England entered in war in Libya, so I guess we can suppose it's true.

Here is the article in english + the video between Sarkozy and Cameron :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11670247

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 04:48 AM) *

Wow, squaak. That is super naive. I'm shocked.
Are you as sure as the proclaimed armistice 24 hours ago was?

Gaddafi won't give his country for free now. And why wouldn't he have the right to defend himself against armed rebells ? All the powerfull armies of the world fire on him and you think he has to do nothing and just die ?
Ofc it will finish bad now, there will be high damages in the country and the whole region will be in trouble for long imo.

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 20 2011, 03:02 AM

QUOTE
Hitler never wanted to be in war with Britain.

Google: "Operation Sealion" and be amazed. Like always you have no clue about what actually happened in this world.

Posted by: -HaTeR- Mar 20 2011, 03:12 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 03:39 AM) *

What happens to Palestinia is far worst than Libya. All these Palestinian families who had to leave their home and their country, all these attacks against them. And they don't have planes nor tanks to defend themselves or modern weapons cause they are real civilians !!!

You talk like the IDF enter palestinean territory and kill ppl because they feel like doing so without any specific reason.
Just like yesterday when the Hamas bombed Israel with over 50 granades. What do you expect Israel to do?
Ever questioned why the Hamas do have their headquarters and their fire positions in/on hospitals or areas where many civilians are?
I mean, goddamnit, and that's legitime?
I'm not trying to legitimate civilian victims, but they're obviously not to avoid as awefully as it may sound.

QUOTE
If all 5% of the swiss citizen take their weapons and go out in order to make a Revolution with their weapons, I'm sure the revenge will be terrible too.

That scenario is not even absurd, it's totally irrealistic. Our policitcal and social is that awesome, it's actually impossible to happen.
But even if, Switzerland as the state under the rule of law of all states under rule of law would NEVER allow anything like revenge.

Posted by: -HaTeR- Mar 20 2011, 03:24 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 04:01 AM) *

Gaddafi won't give his country for free now. And why wouldn't he have the right to defend himself against armed rebells ? All the powerfull armies of the world fire on him and you think he has to do nothing and just die ?
Ofc it will finish bad now, there will be high damages in the country and the whole region will be in trouble for long imo.

Ye, they armed themself as he ordered to shoot protesters. Are you sure you're aware of what chronologically happened?
He should have done the same as Mubarak. Why didn't Mubarak go like Gadaffi?
You know that the Resolution 1973 says intervention is permitted in case of threats to civilians. This means when the Gadaffi troops stop, no intervention will/would have happen/ed. French jets intervened as the bombing continued this morning.

I'm sorry, but how can you argue that?

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 03:38 AM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 20 2011, 05:02 AM) *

Google: "Operation Sealion" and be amazed. Like always you have no clue about what actually happened in this world.

This operation Sealion was in September 1940.

What I'm talking about was earlier in end of May 1940.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dunkirk

Ofc Hitler still had the plans to conquest the whole France. There was resistance against it from the British air since they didn't wanted to talk about peace with Hitler.
The leader of England was Churchill and he was 100% for the war, which was not the case of all the British, especially the parti of the Duc of Windsor (he was the king Edward VIII)

See by yourself : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliveden_set

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 05:12 AM) *

You talk like the IDF enter palestinean territory and kill ppl because they feel like doing so without any specific reason.
Just like yesterday when the Hamas bombed Israel with over 50 granades. What do you expect Israel to do?
Ever questioned why the Hamas do have their headquarters and their fire positions in/on hospitals or areas where many civilians are?
I mean, goddamnit, and that's legitime?
I'm not trying to legitimate civilian victims, but they're obviously not to avoid as awefully as it may sound.

It is impossible that you understand it properly if you didn't study carefully the process of the creation of IsraŽl.
Criticizing the Palestinian "terrorists" like you do is like if someone in 1941 would have criticized the "French terrorists" who sabote things and kill nazis.
You must understand that Palestinia was their country and some one came to stole it, just like Nazis in France, and tbh it's even worst here since the Palestinian people have to leave their house while in France during WW2, french families could stay.

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 05:12 AM) *

That scenario is not even absurd, it's totally irrealistic. Our policitcal and social is that awesome, it's actually impossible to happen.
But even if, Switzerland as the state under the rule of law of all states under rule of law would NEVER allow anything like revenge.

It was just an example. But I doubt that the leaders of Swiss would let themselves be killed cause of the Holy Revolution without trying to do something.
But for sure this won't happen, Swiss has no oil.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 03:47 AM

QUOTE(-HaTeR- @ Mar 20 2011, 05:24 AM) *

Ye, they armed themself as he ordered to shoot protesters. Are you sure you're aware of what chronologically happened?
He should have done the same as Mubarak. Why didn't Mubarak go like Gadaffi?
You know that the Resolution 1973 says intervention is permitted in case of threats to civilians. This means when the Gadaffi troops stop, no intervention will/would have happen/ed. French jets intervened as the bombing continued this morning.

I'm sorry, but how can you argue that?

What you don't see is that the strategic area is in the North East.
If Gaddafi stops all and let the rebells cut the country like they want to do, then his part of Libya won't have oil anymore.
You think it's acceptable ?

If the majority of the people was against him in Tripoli, he wouldn't be able to keep the power, all the cities would get destructed by the citizens till he leave.

How can you be so sure of what's the rate of people against Gaddafi ?

What will the civilians pro-Gaddafi do once he will be killed ?

Posted by: fateat Mar 20 2011, 05:34 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 19 2011, 18:49 PM) *

al Quaeda = leaded by USA. So yes they can make terrorism act where they want when they want once USA say it's ok.

I find this pretty outrageous. You're getting more and more delusional squaak.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 06:11 AM

QUOTE(fateat @ Mar 20 2011, 07:34 AM) *

I find this pretty outrageous. You're getting more and more delusional squaak.

Al-Quaeda was directly created and financed by USA during the cold war in Afghanistan in order to fight the Red Army.
I thought that was a secret for no one.

Posted by: RUSSTY CCG Mar 20 2011, 08:22 AM

Good god this is a lot to take in. I skipped ahh most pages but is this about the Libyan rebelion etc, or is it anouther Europe radical argument?

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 08:43 AM

QUOTE(RUSSTY CCG @ Mar 20 2011, 10:22 AM) *

Good god this is a lot to take in. I skipped ahh most pages but is this about the Libyan rebelion etc, or is it anouther Europe radical argument?

There are quite a lot about Libya.
Basically Warcrimm and me (maybe Warpig too) are totally against this war.
All the others are totally for the war.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 20 2011, 08:46 AM

It seems like action movies are not enough,and people want to see real deal.So long as everyone is safely behind their computers i guess war is ok.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 10:51 AM

We are lucky to have the comforts of behind the computer, water, electricity, gas, food... a large proportion of Libya dose not.

Posted by: fateat Mar 20 2011, 13:49 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 00:11 AM) *

Al-Quaeda was directly created and financed by USA during the cold war in Afghanistan in order to fight the Red Army.
I thought that was a secret for no one.

Yes, I know we financed and gave weapons to the Mujahadeen back in 1980, to drive the Soviets from Afghanistan, but our government certainly aren't giving Al-qiueda targets today and financing them.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 18:11 PM

QUOTE(fateat @ Mar 20 2011, 15:49 PM) *

Yes, I know we financed and gave weapons to the Mujahadeen back in 1980, to drive the Soviets from Afghanistan, but our government certainly aren't giving Al-qiueda targets today and financing them.

How can you be so sure since it's secret ?
Moreoever, if the rebells in Libya really are from Al-Qiueda like Gaddafi said it, they fight in the same camp than the US coalition today.

And about Afghanistan, do you really seriously think that a small group of barbarians would be able to resist against all the armies of the coalition when no one finance them and give them weapons ?
That sounds like a religion to believe this blindly, especially when you now how much not exploited gold there are in Afghanistan and the fact that it's a strategic country for the Pipeline, to avoid being dependant from Russia.

About the 9/11 and Al-Qiueda, a recent report from a group of independant scientists in 2010 demonstrated that there were some particules of explosives on Ground Zero and on the 3rd Tower which fell down miracully.
I don't say we can trust it 100% but at least these guys are scientists and since I believe in the Physics laws, I'm always suspicious when a tower fall down spontaneously like this 3rd tower.
Believing the official version blindly is a religion again.




Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 18:19 PM

lol squaak your actually a retard!!

Okay... your going to rebel against your leader.. you swiftly seize control of most of the country(including military assets) as most of the outlying city's had no support for the government, your going to use what you obtain...

ALSO.. you clearly have no been following from the start.. at first they had NO weapons!! they where protesting peacefully at first, then things got ugly and the government started shooting them.. they took bullets, lots of bullets before they became an armed force.

Currently they have no real leadership or organization its just the like GLA angry mob unit, its now late game and they have been equipped with ak47's

Posted by: fateat Mar 20 2011, 18:25 PM

How can you seem so sure that everything you say is right squaak? You are blindly convinced that every government and all of the mainstream media is lying to you. I don't see any difference between my position and yours. Basically you blindly believe that the media is always lying to you, and I blindly believe the media is not always lying to me. So don't pretend like I'm some uneducated naive moron. You and I have a similar way of looking at things with the exact opposite point of view.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 18:26 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 20 2011, 20:19 PM) *

lol squaak your actually a retard!!

Okay... your going to rebel against your leader.. you swiftly seize control of most of the country(including military assets) as most of the outlying city's had no support for the government, your going to use what you obtain...

ALSO.. you clearly have no been following from the start.. at first they had NO weapons!! they where protesting peacefully at first, then things got ugly and the government started shooting them.. they took bullets, lots of bullets before they became an armed force.

Currently they have no real leadership or organization its just the like GLA angry mob unit, its now late game and they have been equipped with ak47's

You're way too religious for me.
You're like these scolastics fanatics who only believe to the original writings and always refear to it, without even trying to think rationnaly and to observe facts.

But like Einstein said "There are 2 infinite things :the universe and the human dumbness ... but I'm still not very sure about the universe"

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 18:31 PM

QUOTE(fateat @ Mar 20 2011, 20:25 PM) *

How can you seem so sure that everything you say is right squaak? You are blindly convinced that every government and all of the mainstream media is lying to you. I don't see any difference between my position and yours. Basically you blindly believe that the media is always lying to you, and I blindly believe the media is not always lying to me. So don't pretend like I'm some uneducated naive moron. You and I have a similar way of looking at things with the exact opposite point of view.

Did you read the document from Benjamin Freedman that I've sent to you by pm ?
Moreover what do you think of the financial system then ?
The mainstream media says it's ok, so sicne I know for sure that's it's not ok, I always doubt to what the main stream media says.

I never said all what I say is always true, but the real liberty is the doubt.
And doubting helps to think rationnaly.

It's like in Mathematics, you need a demonstration to be able to affirmate that the theorem is true.
I got my demonstration for the financial system. So then I can proove some others theorems out of the 1st one.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 18:35 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 19:26 PM) *

You're way too religious for me.
You're like these scolastics fanatics who only believe to the original writings and always refear to it, without even trying to think rationnaly and to observe facts.

But like Einstein said "There are 2 infinite things :the universe and the human dumbness ... but I'm still not very sure about the universe"


I am not religious at all wacko.gif
QUOTE

You're like these scolastics fanatics who only believe to the original writings and always refear to it, without even trying to think rationnaly and to observe facts.


THATS YOU. WTF

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 20 2011, 20:30 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 20 2011, 18:35 PM) *

THATS YOU. WTF


ahhh yea!

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 20:46 PM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 20 2011, 22:30 PM) *

ahhh yea!

Read this :

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Benjamin Freedman was a well respected and powerfull man in America.
He was conseillor from Woodrow Wilson and close to the JFK familly.
He was Jew himself but converted himself to Catholicism during his life.

Short after this declaration, JFK did his own declaration about secret lobbys in USA in April 1961 :




Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 20:49 PM

oyeah and that has anything to do with anything lols

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 21:00 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 20 2011, 22:49 PM) *

oyeah and that has anything to do with anything lols

I think you're one of the most stupid guy I ever meet.
You don't even take the time to read and watch facts.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 21:14 PM

Squaak you keep describing yourself...

QUOTE
lol squaak your actually a retard!!

Okay... your going to rebel against your leader.. you swiftly seize control of most of the country(including military assets) as most of the outlying city's had no support for the government, your going to use what you obtain...

ALSO.. you clearly have no been following from the start.. at first they had NO weapons!! they where protesting peacefully at first, then things got ugly and the government started shooting them.. they took bullets, lots of bullets before they became an armed force.

Currently they have no real leadership or organization its just the like GLA angry mob unit, its now late game and they have been equipped with ak47's


fact

Your response is..
QUOTE


You're way too religious for me.
You're like these scolastics fanatics who only believe to the original writings and always refear to it, without even trying to think rationnaly and to observe facts.

But like Einstein said "There are 2 infinite things :the universe and the human dumbness ... but I'm still not very sure about the universe"


You are arrogant, delusional, moronic and an embarrassment to the human race.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 21:35 PM

You recall me the Christian Church in the Middle Age arguing that the earth was flat and putting in jail all the scientists who contradicted it.
But those religious didn't have a clue about science.

The first in Europe who will be reacting are the Italians. I think they have a stronger national identity and are already revolting against their governement in Lampedusa.
This is about 500 000 people who will try to immigrate from Libya to Europe, and maybe much more once the door will be completly open (the fall of Gaddafi).



Posted by: trve^viking Mar 20 2011, 21:36 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 20 2011, 20:46 PM) *

Read this :

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Benjamin Freedman was a well respected and powerfull man in America.
He was conseillor from Woodrow Wilson and close to the JFK familly.
He was Jew himself but converted himself to Catholicism during his life.

Short after this declaration, JFK did his own declaration about secret lobbys in USA in April 1961 :




yea and that letter is supposed to do what? change my opinion?

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 21:43 PM

squaak your not even making any sense your blabbing on like a mad man posting random stuff that has nothing to do with anything, I posted facts and you keep posting random shit that makes no sense as it has no connection to what we are talking about. Is that so hard to understand.

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 20 2011, 22:13 PM

Just put him on ignore, it really helps.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 20 2011, 22:16 PM

Most loved American president ends up 6 feet below the earth.suspect Lee Harvey oswald is gunned down by jack Ruby


Yes,this world is very much conspiracy free.Only delusional people would call the jfk assassination a "conspiracy".

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 20 2011, 22:37 PM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 20 2011, 22:16 PM) *



Yes,this world is very much conspiracy free.Only delusional people would call the jfk assassination a "conspiracy".


there are so many conspiracy theorys around, the thing about all that is that its not proven, else it would be a fact.
some people are serious about that elvis lives on hawai atm, would u belive them?

its also not wrong to belive in these theorys, but to sell them as the truth is.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 22:51 PM

No warnub stfu nubieee, im saying wtf has that got to do with the fact that there is a rebellion going on in Libya and they have seized weapons. Squaak seems to think that is impossible and think aliens are supplying them, or they are actually a big huge ass army of terrorists dressed as civilians and such.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 20 2011, 22:57 PM

Thats different viking,those people are just fans who are obsessed with whoever.What im saying is that you guys dont believe in back-door shady deals,plans etc.you think nothing like that goes on in the backgrounds and every politician has our best interests at hand.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 22:59 PM

No obviously that goes on but squaak is basically pro gadffimotherfucker

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 20 2011, 23:02 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 21 2011, 08:51 AM) *

No warnub stfu nubieee, im saying wtf has that got to do with the fact that there is a rebellion going on in Libya and they have seized weapons. Squaak seems to think that is impossible and think aliens are supplying them, or they are actually a big huge ass army of terrorists dressed as civilians and such.

Well what squaak is saying is that why attack gaddafi now,there are plenty of other dictators in the mid-east?
maybe oil has something to do with it.
You can quite clearly see from my previous posts that i hate gaddafi more than i hate geotge bush and want him removed asap,but the way its happening is not right and looks a little suspicious from my end.

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 20 2011, 23:12 PM

Because the other countries are much more trickier, allies of America etc.. the situation in Libya takes the camera off the others and that suits America, its double standards but I feel the international community truly is doing it for the good of the Libyan people, if they weren't they would occupy Libya not just aid them.

The latest btw, huge uprisings in Syria which borders Iraq. Whole middle-east is turning, it could get much bigger in the next few months if this continues, they are all following one by one in trying to free their countries from the powers that control them, its either the start of the end or the start of the beginning, middle-east is going to be a completely different place pretty soon but

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 20 2011, 23:22 PM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 21 2011, 09:12 AM) *

Because the other countries are much more trickier, allies of America etc.. the situation in Libya takes the camera off the others and that suits America, its double standards but I feel the international community truly is doing it for the good of the Libyan people, if they weren't they would occupy Libya not just aid them.

now you're startring to make some sence tongue.gif

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 21 2011, 09:12 AM) *

The latest btw, huge uprisings in Syria which borders Iraq.

If thats true then you've made my day scots.

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 21 2011, 09:12 AM) *
Whole middle-east is turning, it could get much bigger in the next few months if this continues, they are all following one by one in trying to free their countries from the powers that control them, its either the start of the end or the start of the beginning, middle-east is going to be a completely different place pretty soon but

But what?

Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 20 2011, 23:46 PM

I believe in several conspiracies. For example, i dont believe in the official story of 9/11. But im not gonna come with some theory and claim it as truth like Squaak is doing constantly. Most of the time you simply dont know what happened.
And you both WANT to see conspiracies behind everything. Things happen without conspiracies as well.

Posted by: squaak Mar 20 2011, 23:48 PM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 21 2011, 00:37 AM) *

there are so many conspiracy theorys around, the thing about all that is that its not proven, else it would be a fact.
some people are serious about that elvis lives on hawai atm, would u belive them?

its also not wrong to belive in these theorys, but to sell them as the truth is.

Theorys about things which don't change our lifes are useless.
Where is Elvis atm ? How did MickaŽl Jackson die ? How did De Vinci paint the "Joconde" ?
Who care about this since it won't change our conditions of life.

But massive and uncontrolled immigration on Europe (Millions of people coming from Libya),
delocalization of our industry, unemployment, increasing prices of alimentation and oil, ....
This will contribute to change our life.
So it's essential for any citizen in Europe to look carefully on these facts and to understand why it happens.
(for example there is no immigration in IsraŽl, which is very close from this countries as well).

The old generations didn't care about this.
They said : well wait and see, these political are smarter guys and know what's the best for us.

But is it really what the european people want ?
Pay more and more taxes, taking more and more immigrates till they are the majority, deny our culture, changing our civilization completly ?

I don't see why we need to let our great civilization change ?
With some observations it's worst than before. (France in 1960 >>> France in 2011).

So let just reject any theory because it's bad to believe any theory and let's assume our leaders serve us the best possible and that the main stream media inform us by the best possible way.
Let's just do like the older generations who didn't have internet : wait and see, they know what they do and what's the very best or us. Let's vote for them again !

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 21 2011, 01:12 AM) *

Because the other countries are much more trickier, allies of America etc.. the situation in Libya takes the camera off the others and that suits America, its double standards but I feel the international community truly is doing it for the good of the Libyan people, if they weren't they would occupy Libya not just aid them.

Ok so if at any moment of the war, they announce that they have to send soldiers from the coalition in Libya (I think they plan to send the french infantry), then at this condition, you would agree you were wrong ?

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 20 2011, 23:51 PM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 20 2011, 22:57 PM) *

Thats different viking,those people are just fans who are obsessed with whoever.What im saying is that you guys dont believe in back-door shady deals,plans etc.you think nothing like that goes on in the backgrounds and every politician has our best interests at hand.

i could take a fe other examples, but all share the same thing : theres no proven fact which would say that these things are true.
if squaak says for example that zionists shot jfk, i could start a rumor and say that i belive a secret organization of clowns shot him, both theorys should get the same treatment cause no one of us can proof something, same goes for the "zionists rule the world" or "al quaida fights in lybia".
its true for the people who belive in that, for all others its bs.

Posted by: squaak Mar 21 2011, 00:07 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 21 2011, 01:51 AM) *

i could take a fe other examples, but all share the same thing : theres no proven fact which would say that these things are true.
if squaak says for example that zionists shot jfk, i could start a rumor and say that i belive a secret organization of clowns shot him, both theorys should get the same treatment cause no one of us can proof something, same goes for the "zionists rule the world" or "al quaida fights in lybia".
its true for the people who belive in that, for all others its bs.

About the financial system, it's proved that the Federal Reserve, the European Central bank and many many other central banks are not public but private.
Moreover the States have to loan money at a high rate of interests and they can't finance themselves directly on the central bank.
That's proved as well and it's in the constitution of Europe.

So I don't see how it is a conspiracy since we have all the documents who prove it ??
And if it wasn't the case, we wouldn't pay like 50 Billion € each years as interest for our "debt".

About the zionists, I explained it many many times, the very small group of guys who created this system are zionists, cause zionists jew were the one who controlled (and still controll) all the big private banks.

Maybe you have a problem with the word zionist and you maybe want me to use the word "clown", but it would change nothing at the reality.

Freedman was one of these zionists jew, and he explains it very well in this declaration of 1961.
So make the effort to read it and just say me what's so utopic in it ?? Show me one thing which is not true, please.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

PS :
Here is the document which proves it :
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-the-functioning-of-the-european-union-and-comments/part-3-union-policies-and-internal-actions/title-viii-economic-and-monetary-policy/chapter-1-economic-policy/391-article-123.html
So ask Hater since he's a specialist of laws if you don't believe me, but stop saying the financial system is a "conspiracy theory" please, cause he gave you all the proof you need.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 21 2011, 03:48 AM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 21 2011, 09:46 AM) *

I believe in several conspiracies. For example, i dont believe in the official story of 9/11. But im not gonna come with some theory and claim it as truth like Squaak is doing constantly. Most of the time you simply dont know what happened.
And you both WANT to see conspiracies behind everything. Things happen without conspiracies as well.

well im glad that you dont blindly follow official versions of events and subscribe to some alternative theorys ,but then why do you try and paint us as nutters with your alien stories?We dont follow these events blindly and we do own research and look closely at the evidence.

Where there's smoke there must be fire,when you have an american zionist living in switzerland telling you that europe must be multicultural and is not the monolithic society it once was,and that jews will naturally be resented for this because of "our leading role" you must wonder what the hell are these zionists up to,and what is their motive behind this?

When i see a 40 story building collapse on its own footprint at free fall speed,i wonder...wtf happened there!! i dont just listen and obey what my leaders tell me.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 21 2011, 07:29 AM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 21 2011, 00:07 AM) *

About the financial system, it's proved that the Federal Reserve, the European Central bank and many many other central banks are not public but private.
Moreover the States have to loan money at a high rate of interests and they can't finance themselves directly on the central bank.
That's proved as well and it's in the constitution of Europe.

So I don't see how it is a conspiracy since we have all the documents who prove it ??
And if it wasn't the case, we wouldn't pay like 50 Billion Ä each years as interest for our "debt".

About the zionists, I explained it many many times, the very small group of guys who created this system are zionists, cause zionists jew were the one who controlled (and still controll) all the big private banks.

Maybe you have a problem with the word zionist and you maybe want me to use the word "clown", but it would change nothing at the reality.

Freedman was one of these zionists jew, and he explains it very well in this declaration of 1961.
So make the effort to read it and just say me what's so utopic in it ?? Show me one thing which is not true, please.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

PS :
Here is the document which proves it :
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-the-functioning-of-the-european-union-and-comments/part-3-union-policies-and-internal-actions/title-viii-economic-and-monetary-policy/chapter-1-economic-policy/391-article-123.html
So ask Hater since he's a specialist of laws if you don't believe me, but stop saying the financial system is a "conspiracy theory" please, cause he gave you all the proof you need.


just wow, i googled a bit about this and it leads me to a few blogs full of anti semitism and anti jew propaganda, iam rly shocked that u belive in this.

but yea "Show me one thing which is not true, please."
here :
"Now what happened? The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. " they are jews? no ?

"Look at what happened to Germany for touching Jews"

imo the guy had a dispute with other jews, got mad and started to hate them.

so it seems a lot antisemitic people use that speaks to justify their own weird opinions, , for me its not more than bullshit and hate propaganda.
its also forbidden in germany as far as i understand wink.gif and i dont think u should be allowed to post that on gr.

its actually funny that u seem to copy his opinion, brainwash any1?

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 21 2011, 08:09 AM

you are funny viking biggrin.gif

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 21 2011, 08:22 AM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 21 2011, 08:09 AM) *

you are funny viking biggrin.gif


wasnt meaned as a joke, i actually think that its rly dangerous propaganda and i feel bad for all people who serious belive in that theorys/opinions.

Posted by: squaak Mar 21 2011, 08:51 AM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 21 2011, 09:29 AM) *

just wow, i googled a bit about this and it leads me to a few blogs full of anti semitism and anti jew propaganda, iam rly shocked that u belive in this.

It can be shocking cause it totally destroy all the view you had on this world and on history.
So despite all the proof, the documents, the writings, you always try to deny it cause it would break your conception of the world.
The word who blocks yourself is the word "jew" ofc and then you immeditaly deny all what's linked to them cause "it's bad, racist and anti-semetic".

Again it's bad to generalize so I better talk of "zionists" instead of "Jews" cause it's only about the elite of this community. Basic Jews are like you and me. And again, my criticize has nothing but absolutly nothing to do with religion.

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 21 2011, 09:29 AM) *

"Now what happened? The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. " they are jews? no ?

That's true, the greatest part of the Jews today are ashkenaze so from Eastern Europe.
About the Khazars Kingsdom, that's true as well :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars.
It's proved by historians and these guys converted themselves to JudaÔsm but have nothing to do and never went in the "Holy Land".
Khazars were extermly powerfull till the 9th century. They were incredibly rich cause they were trading between West Europe and China. Russia invaded them and they had to immigrate in the west of Europe then.

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 21 2011, 09:29 AM) *

"Look at what happened to Germany for touching Jews"

For a very long time the biggest jewish community in Europe was in Germany. They were extremly well treated by german. There are even a lot fo revolutionaries jews who immigrated to Germany after failing their revolution in Russia in 1905.
The document from Freedman shows exactly what happened with the treason of zionists toward Germany (Balfour declaration 1917). That's really very very high treason, I dunno if you can imagine.
It is also historically prooved that Germany was winning the war in 1915-1916 before USA entered in.
And once again Germany didn't start WW1 and never wanted it.


QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 21 2011, 09:29 AM) *

imo the guy had a dispute with other jews, got mad and started to hate them.

He wrote it in 1961 so that was in the worst moments of Cold War. He knew that if no one denounces these things, the world would probably go into another war, a nuclear war.
He's not the only one to write about it btw. A lot of people did but they get boycotted by the media.
His only way to publish was to create his own media.
Some historians found out that in the time of the Roman Empire, no real jew from Judea was deported. And they say it's just a myth from the Catholic church and adopted by the Jews from east Europe. So in fact, the originally jews are the palestinian from today.

Real Jews against IsraŽl :


QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 21 2011, 09:29 AM) *

so it seems a lot antisemitic people use that speaks to justify their own weird opinions, , for me its not more than bullshit and hate propaganda.
its also forbidden in germany as far as i understand wink.gif and i dont think u should be allowed to post that on gr.

Ofc it's forbidden in Germany, USA, France, whole Europe since they controll these countries. If you want to hide something, you won't let this come in the public space.
Finally that's a bit like the old USSR, all the opposition was forbidden. Opposants and anti-communist were diabolized (just like anti-semitism today).
Btw don't forget who created the USSR, that was the Jews, and more people died there than in Germany during WW2. Obviously you never see jews apologies for this, like the german do.

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 21 2011, 09:29 AM) *

its actually funny that u seem to copy his opinion, brainwash any1?

There are too much evidences not to believe it and too many people in the History who denounced it.
And seeing how France is today and who are the leaders, it confirms it 100%.
Moreover it's well formulated and it explains a big part of the 20th century history.
Also Freedman was a smart man and very influent.
Btw Henry Ford denounced it as well in "The international Jew".

Did you know that jews were expulsed out of all the countries of Europe during the last 2000 years ?
England, Spanien, Italia, Russia, France, Polen, Germany, ... and even from the Church State !!
So the question is : Has Europe a crazy desease of anti-semitism during his whole history, or is it really something wrong with the jew leaders ?




Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 21 2011, 14:26 PM

QUOTE(WaRCRiMM @ Mar 21 2011, 04:48 AM) *

well im glad that you dont blindly follow official versions of events and subscribe to some alternative theorys ,but then why do you try and paint us as nutters with your alien stories?We dont follow these events blindly and we do own research and look closely at the evidence.

Because most things you guys said is farfetched and supported by flawed logic. Like I said before, you guys WANT to see a conspiracy behind everything. And there's lots of people just like you, that believe in other farfetched stories like aliens and reptilians which also believe zealously in their stories and theories.
Is it really so strange to assume that people are fighting for their freedom now they finally see a chance to do it? And that the west tries to save them from being massacred? I've described several pages before how horribly this was organized if this was indeed a conspiracy.
QUOTE
Where there's smoke there must be fire,when you have an american zionist living in switzerland telling you that europe must be multicultural and is not the monolithic society it once was,and that jews will naturally be resented for this because of "our leading role" you must wonder what the hell are these zionists up to,and what is their motive behind this?

This is again assuming that all "zionists" work together in an organized way to achieve a higher goal. Thats quite an assumption.

QUOTE
When i see a 40 story building collapse on its own footprint at free fall speed,i wonder...wtf happened there!! i dont just listen and obey what my leaders tell me.

Thats exactly what I said, I dont believe it. And there are a couple of other things that makes me wonder what really happened. But when there is no reason at all to assume something different happened i dont have any reason to believe there is much more going on. This is much like how I approach religion as well.
In the cases where I think something different is going on, im not gonna spread some different version of the story as if its the truth like you guys do. Simply because I dont know what exactly happened.

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 21 2011, 14:59 PM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 22 2011, 00:26 AM) *

Because most things you guys said is farfetched and supported by flawed logic.

How is the logic flawed when you solely go by evidence?

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Like I said before, you guys WANT to see a conspiracy behind everything.

Now you're putting words in my mouth.

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And there's lots of people just like you, that believe in other farfetched stories like aliens and reptilians which also believe zealously in their stories and theories.

Now you're just painting everyone with the same brush.


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Is it really so strange to assume that people are fighting for their freedom now they finally see a chance to do it? And that the west tries to save them from being massacred? I've described several pages before how horribly this was organized if this was indeed a conspiracy.

Western nations,like most nations act in their interests and their interests only,not in the interests of a foreign nations people.Thats why i consider that something is amiss here.

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This is again assuming that all "zionists" work together in an organized way to achieve a higher goal. Thats quite an assumption.

Yes,this is very much far fetched.Nowhere in history have people,organisations,governments,societies etc ever worked together for a common goal or cause.Hell, even the early zionist didnt work together towards the creation of israel,everyone was just working by themselves and individually.


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And there are a couple of other things that makes me wonder what really happened. But when there is no reason at all to assume something different happened i dont have any reason to believe there is much more going on.

well why would you wonder then lol?


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In the cases where I think something different is going on,

When you think something different is going on what made you think this?Was it a dream you had or was there evidence to suggest that?

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im not gonna spread some different version of the story as if its the truth like you guys do.
Simply because I dont know what exactly happened.

If you dont know or haven't seen any evidence then by all means...dont say it!

Posted by: squaak Mar 21 2011, 17:53 PM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 21 2011, 16:26 PM) *

Because most things you guys said is farfetched and supported by flawed logic. Like I said before, you guys WANT to see a conspiracy behind everything. And there's lots of people just like you, that believe in other farfetched stories like aliens and reptilians which also believe zealously in their stories and theories.
Is it really so strange to assume that people are fighting for their freedom now they finally see a chance to do it? And that the west tries to save them from being massacred? I've described several pages before how horribly this was organized if this was indeed a conspiracy.

We back up our facts with many evidences like the book "The secrets of the Federal Reserve" from Eustace Mullins and documents from very intelligent guys in the 20th century like Freedman or Henry Ford. And these guys were highly censored.
Moreover it's a fact than in the beginning of the 20th century, the richest family in Europe was Rothshild and in USA Rockfeller.
After the creation of the big central banks like Bank of England, Federal Reserve, European central banks, all private books took the right to create money out of nothing.
So yes there is something wrong here, you think Woodrow Wilson was independant when he created the Federal Reserve, the IRS and the Society of Nations ??

When you have the power to create money, you can buy everything, you can give the money to corrupt anyone, so their power in without any limits.

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 21 2011, 16:26 PM) *

This is again assuming that all "zionists" work together in an organized way to achieve a higher goal. Thats quite an assumption.

Zionism is not a religion but a political movement which works for IsraŽl.
So I can say easily that all the zionists are very attached to IsraŽl, much more than to anoher country.
When you take our card for a political party, you'll work for it to promote it and to make it be bigger and bigger. It's the same with zionists. They took the leadership of other countries, in order to influence the politic toward IsraŽl.
Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the leader of IMF said in 2003 that every morning when he wakes up, he ask himself how he can contribute and help IsraŽl with his actions.

Watch this video about AIPAC in USA :
http://www.aipac.org/about_AIPAC/Learn_About_AIPAC/30333.asp

Fact is that no political men in USA or Europe can have a decent carreer and important functions if he's opposed to IsraŽl.

That's as shoking as if they had to go in a muslim congress each year, in order to agree with muslim opinions !!!

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 21 2011, 16:26 PM) *

In the cases where I think something different is going on, im not gonna spread some different version of the story as if its the truth like you guys do. Simply because I dont know what exactly happened.

We don't know exactly what happened as well, but we know for sure that all the western governements are acting for IsraŽl. And we know that the richest zionist families controll the western private banks.
So governments work for the interest of these banks and these oil companies.

These banks could have eradicated all the poverty in the world age ago if they really wanted too.
Moreover these governements are able to do anything to manipulate the opinion in their favor like in 2003 with the false nuclear weapons in Iraq.
That's why it's very hard to believe that they act for humanitary condition in Libya.

Posted by: DiNastyE Mar 22 2011, 21:22 PM

France sucks, squaak your just Anti-Everything, and definatley Anti-American, so much jelousy it's amazing.

Yeah US sucks so bad thats why were the melting pot of the world and people move here all the time.

Yeah were going through a recession, and politics can be corrupt, and yes Squaak you know everything about every government in the world obviously your every world leader put into 1 so clearly you know what goes on behind the scenes,

bottem line is in my Shitty country im still partying, making money, clubbin, and gettin laid, how bout you?

Basically what im saying is, how the fuck are you going to talk about a place unless you live their, and how the fuck are you going to sit here and argue every conspiracy theory like its 100% fact and your just so fucking genius you know this.

If their was that much proof it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory in the first place.

Posted by: squaak Mar 23 2011, 06:37 AM

QUOTE(DiNastyE @ Mar 22 2011, 23:22 PM) *

France sucks, squaak your just Anti-Everything, and definatley Anti-American, so much jelousy it's amazing.

Seeing how poor your aguments are, there is absolutly no reasons to be jealous about America. The education system is 1 of the worst in the world there, and your message confirm this. You don't even want to fight for your independance anymore and are actually happy of your bad condition.
America has had very great men such as Lincoln, Martin Luther King, JFK, ... but you forgot about them and their value ages ago.

QUOTE(DiNastyE @ Mar 22 2011, 23:22 PM) *

Yeah US sucks so bad thats why were the melting pot of the world and people move here all the time.

When you say "we are the melting pot of the world", you mean you actually gain benefices on the big bonus of Goldman Sachs, or do you actually gain something personnally after "winning a war" ?
If you were so patriot, you would actually join a resistance group, like the party of Ron Paul, and try to liberate your country from the private banks influence.
USA is just the slave of IsraŽl. And for IsraŽlian people, goym are nothing more than animals.
But if you're happy of your condition, that's fine for you.
In a recent survey, 64% of the american said they feel their country is falling down.

QUOTE(DiNastyE @ Mar 22 2011, 23:22 PM) *

Yeah were going through a recession, and politics can be corrupt, and yes Squaak you know everything about every government in the world obviously your every world leader put into 1 so clearly you know what goes on behind the scenes,

Well, it's a proved fact that it's corrupted. It wouldn't have been any financial crisis else, and usa would be allowed to print their money themself.
After the tsunami in Japan, they're going to sell all the US bonds they had.
China doesn't buy US bonds as well.
Finally the only one who still does it is the Fed lol !!
And they voted a law so that the Fed is covered up by the US tresory (so american tax payers in fact).


QUOTE(DiNastyE @ Mar 22 2011, 23:22 PM) *

bottem line is in my Shitty country im still partying, making money, clubbin, and gettin laid, how bout you?

You describe here perfectly the total inversion of the values. There isn't even an ethic anymore in your mind. But for sure we have also some animals who live like this in France, don't worry, the process of the americanization of Europe is well advanced.
Just enjoy spending all your money for the rest of the time you can do it.
Then your living conditions will decrease, over and over.
It won't be long anymore till it happens. Some more months and maybe 1 more Quantitative Easing from your friend Benny and the hyper-inflation will be there.


QUOTE(DiNastyE @ Mar 22 2011, 23:22 PM) *

Basically what im saying is, how the fuck are you going to talk about a place unless you live their, and how the fuck are you going to sit here and argue every conspiracy theory like its 100% fact and your just so fucking genius you know this.

I gave all possible facts, and there are a lot of other facts, it would be too long to list them all.
Maybe start reading books ?
Bigger it is and better it pass.
Manipulated people like you are funny. The fall and the return to reality will be dramatic.
But History repeats always cause the majority of people just don't care about History and its facts.


QUOTE(DiNastyE @ Mar 22 2011, 23:22 PM) *

If their was that much proof it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory in the first place.

Be happy then, and don't forget to pay your taxes to IRS, they will be gratefull toward the great patriot Justin.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 23 2011, 07:20 AM

"It can be shocking cause it totally destroy all the view you had on this world and on history."

not really, i was shocked that its so open racist and anti semitism.


"Again it's bad to generalize so I better talk of "zionists" instead of "Jews" cause it's only about the elite of this community. Basic Jews are like you and me. And again, my criticize has nothing but absolutly nothing to do with religion."

thats a good phrase to hide it, in fact u mean jews and just say zionists cause u feel more save not to be called a racist wink.gif

"That's true, the greatest part of the Jews today are ashkenaze so from Eastern Europe.
About the Khazars Kingsdom"

history still stays the same through relegion.

"For a very long time the biggest jewish community in Europe was in Germany. They were extremly well treated by german"

yea and then hitler came and killed 2 million, and iam sure thats were freedman speaks from.

"He's not the only one to write about it btw. A lot of people did but they get boycotted by the media."
"Ofc it's forbidden in Germany, USA, France, whole Europe since they controll these countries"

yea, theres a phedophile movement btw, they want to legalize that ur alowed to fuck kids, u want media time for them aswell? some things are forbidden for a reason

"Did you know that jews were expulsed out of all the countries of Europe during the last 2000 years ?
England, Spanien, Italia, Russia, France, Polen, Germany, ... and even from the Church State !!
So the question is : Has Europe a crazy desease of anti-semitism during his whole history, or is it really something wrong with the jew leaders ?"

look, doesnt speaks that against ur theory? why they were expulsed or slaughtered to millions when they are so powerfull? u think its in their genetics? that they are pure evil ? cause the leaders, if there are some, must have changed over the few 100 years.

"We back up our facts with many evidences like the book "The secrets of the Federal Reserve" from Eustace Mullins and documents from very intelligent guys in the 20th century like Freedman or Henry Ford. And these guys were highly censored."

such books are censored for a reason cause when easy to manipulate kids read them, they belive all things in it and take them for facts,ur the best example tho.
iam normal not a friend of censorship, but here i agree that they have to protect stupid people for themselves.

"Moreover it's a fact than in the beginning of the 20th century, the richest family in Europe was Rothshild and in USA Rockfeller."

hard working familys, good example of sense for business over a few generations smile.gif







Posted by: squaak Mar 23 2011, 07:48 AM

Lol viking your message is really a big letter of love for the system.
And the way your defend the zionists and the censorship, it's just great.
Nazis burned books which could manipulate "kids" from the nazi propaganda as well.
But I see that you are still ready to do the same today, for your convictions.

The way you speak about racism, anti-semitic and the goodness of the system makes me feel that you are a communist fanatic.
If Jew is a race, what about a Christian State ? Just give a part of Germany for it, for the Christian race.

I think I never read something as funny as your last comment.
I'll quote it in my sig.

"Moreover it's a fact than in the beginning of the 20th century, the richest family in Europe was Rothshild and in USA Rockfeller."

hard working familys, good example of sense for business over a few generations smile.gif

biggrin.gif

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 23 2011, 09:59 AM

Hardworking bankers? lmao!

Posted by: ScOtSmAn Mar 23 2011, 10:53 AM

squaak just using the Libyan cryis to dodge CCG cause hes a noob

Posted by: WaRCRiMM Mar 23 2011, 10:56 AM

QUOTE(ScOtSmAn @ Mar 23 2011, 20:53 PM) *

squaak just using the Libyan cryis to dodge CCG cause hes a noob

Do you have evidence for that particular conspiracy?

Posted by: Murder- Mar 23 2011, 11:17 AM

WaRCRiMM just playing ZH because he is secretely jew and tries to dominate the world by using the media.

Posted by: DiNastyE Mar 23 2011, 12:20 PM

Squaak just becuase you read something from a book doesn't mean its a fact. Thats why i don't get into all this politic shit because of people like you, read a couple things and now your some expert that knows more then everyone else.

Be real man, from the way you talk you should be the fucking World GOD because you know everything and how to fix everything. I mean really those books you read are biased.

Also to say our education system is bad is a joke, this is yet again what you take in from reading that biased bullshit you think are facts. If our education system is so bad how come famous Scientists, philosphers, ... came to the USA to go to our universities?

"Nearly 6.2 million students between the ages of 16 and 24 in 2007 dropped out of high school, including nearly three of 10 Hispanics.[20] This is considered important to address as the incarceration rate for African-American male high school dropouts is about 50 (fifty) times the national average.[21]"

That right there is why you are misinformed, just reading statistics does not tell you the whole story. As those numbers are so high they are going to bring down the overall statistics of or education system, but 90% of that is in ghettos, or bad areas that are controlled by gangs and immigrants that just don't give a fuck. Outside of this, our education is just as good as anyone...

And like i stated before, we have some of the best universities in the world.


Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 23 2011, 14:42 PM

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How is the logic flawed when you solely go by evidence?

Because for example a list of zionists isn't proof. You're just post a list with names which supposedly are zionist which work together. Without the slightest amount of proof.
But this counts mostly for Squaak. Lots of people here have already proven that his claims are wrong or that he contradicts himself. Especially some things I read about European history were awful to read since I know a lot about it. And lots of things are bend in such a way to fit your theories as well.
"Wilders is a zionist because hes pro Israel"
"Zionists want to create the EU to dominate Europe"
But Wilders is anti EU.
"Then he's probably lieing. He only says hes against the EU"

The exact same reasoning you see from religious people.

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Now you're putting words in my mouth.

How am I putting words in your mouth when I dont say you said anything?

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Now you're just painting everyone with the same brush.

Some people believe in Reptilians and aliens visiting us, others believe in the theories you see here. What's the difference? Both come with shitloads of "evidence" and both are able to bend things in such a way that every big event in the world fits someway in their theories.

I just went to the first conspiracy forum I could find.
Theories about Libya/middle east uprisings:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1369631/pg1
-2011 disaster year as prelude for the new age of the world in 2012
-Something about energy portals and vortexes closing in the middle east after 10 years. They started appearing in 2001. I guess after 9/11.
-The illuminati are responsible.
-The bankers are responsible.
-The freemasons are responsible
-Its a sign of the end of times according to the bible. Because of Egypt and Israel blabla.
-Some influential people try to start a third world war so they can create their new world order.
- Its part of a plan from the US from 15 years ago.
- And my personal favorite: Ghadaffi doesnt exist. He is a imaginary character to justify a war.

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Western nations,like most nations act in their interests and their interests only,not in the interests of a foreign nations people.Thats why i consider that something is amiss here.

They do most of the time. However, politicians are also human. Take a look at all the countries where the UN is still active while gaining nothing from it.

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Yes,this is very much far fetched.Nowhere in history have people,organisations,governments,societies etc ever worked together for a common goal or cause.Hell, even the early zionist didnt work together towards the creation of israel,everyone was just working by themselves and individually.

Do you and me work together because in the past people have worked together? No? Then you still haven't proven that these "zionists" work together. This is exactly what I meant with flawed logic.

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well why would you wonder then lol?
When you think something different is going on what made you think this?Was it a dream you had or was there evidence to suggest that?
f you dont know or haven't seen any evidence then by all means...dont say it!

When I see things are different than what is being said about it, i get suspicious about it. I can then look at different theories of what happened. But in the end, you just have to admit don't know whats going on. And by following one of these conspiracy theories you're doing the exact same thing as what you're trying to avoid. Blindly following a made up story.


For the Dutch people, very funny to read:
http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=5

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 23 2011, 14:42 PM

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 23 2011, 07:48 AM) *

Lol viking your message is really a big letter of love for the system.
And the way your defend the zionists and the censorship, it's just great.
Nazis burned books which could manipulate "kids" from the nazi propaganda as well.
But I see that you are still ready to do the same today, for your convictions.

not rly smile.gif like i said, iam not a big friend from censorship, but there are things which should be censored to protect people and to compare such racist books to the things which the nazis burned is rly shamefull for all the victims of the nazi regime.


QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 23 2011, 07:48 AM) *

The way you speak about racism, anti-semitic and the goodness of the system makes me feel that you are a communist fanatic.
If Jew is a race, what about a Christian State ? Just give a part of Germany for it, for the Christian race.

cummunist fanatic biggrin.gif thats funny tongue.gif
i just say racist cause i dont have a better word for it, but its in fact the same when u hate a race/gay people or relegious people in that way u do.
like i said, its a good phrase to cover it up, in that way u have just to discuss about that its not raceism instead of why and that u hate them wink.gif

QUOTE(squaak @ Mar 23 2011, 07:48 AM) *

I think I never read something as funny as your last comment.
I'll quote it in my sig.

just read the biographys, the rothshild family startet with a small business, then over the years it became bigger and bigger.
or what u think happend? the devil spit them out of hell and gave them so much money ? tongue.gif

and again u let the part out why they had such a bad treatment over the last few 100 years when they are the most powerfull people in the world?




Posted by: Opsnyder Mar 23 2011, 14:54 PM

100 years? Jews have been treated poorly from the beginning. In the bible(not too reliable, I admit) they were used as slaves. Romans treated them bad as well. Later on, Christians started to blame them for killing Jesus. Lots of Jews actually fled to the Ottoman Empire which also treated them horrible but at least they didn't kill them or put them into ghetto's. I guess I can skip what happened in modern history.

Posted by: squaak Mar 23 2011, 18:00 PM

QUOTE(Opsnyder @ Mar 23 2011, 16:54 PM) *

100 years? Jews have been treated poorly from the beginning. In the bible(not too reliable, I admit) they were used as slaves. Romans treated them bad as well. Later on, Christians started to blame them for killing Jesus. Lots of Jews actually fled to the Ottoman Empire which also treated them horrible but at least they didn't kill them or put them into ghetto's. I guess I can skip what happened in modern history.

Jews weren't dominating at these times.
But most of the clans like the Kazahr Kingsdom and other clans in Ethiopa and Maroc converted themself to JudaÔsm, in order to resist against the invasion of Islam.
Kazahr Kingsdom was very powerfull in Europe at the time of Charlemagne.

Jews were always acting as a community. It's a self defensive mentality.
Maybe read the Talmud and see what their religion teach them.
When they were weak in Europe till the 18th century, they were living all togheter in ghettos.
When they are strong (19th till now), they just act like dictators and lead all the countries in their way.

Free-macons played an important role in the 18th century since they incited the french revolution.
(Voltaire, La Fayette and most of the Jacobin were free macons). This helped to make Jews become real citizens.

When they were kicked out of Russia, it's cause they wanted to make the communist revolution there in 1905. Why none of you here talks about how tyranic Jews were leading the USSR ?

About England and the other countries in Europe, Jews were expulsed cause they always tried to create and lead a feudal system there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion

But at this time, the countries in Europe could arrange the situation all the time and limit the power of these Jews. That's cause the European monarchies weren't leaded by Jews at the times of Catholicism.

Moreover, Jew influent families played a major role in the trade of slaves. Nearly all the ships were owned by Jews and the Captains of these ships were Jews.
They were also using much more slaves than non Jew people in America.

Nowadays, it's easy to see them dominate when you see world conference from AIPAC, when you see how IsraŽl can't get penalized by the UNO, and when you see who controll the world biggest finance : Goldman Sachs, IMF with Strauss-Kahn, Fed with Ben Shalom Bernanke.

No need to go on conspiracy forums to see these evidences.
Moreover I gave you a lot of other proofs from JFK, Freedman and about the creation of IsraŽl with the Balfour Declaration in 1917. I also gave you a link to the Article 123 of the European Lisbon Treaty, which contribute to privatize the european financial system (so we have debt money).
I also proved that the Fathers of Europe were employed by the CIA when they created Europe.

Maybe you should take these facts in consideration before looking about aliens in kids forums.

Posted by: trve^viking Mar 23 2011, 18:28 PM

so what the world should do with the jews nowdays squaak? final holocaust and then the problem is solved? take israel away from them? what u suggest to do?


Posted by: squaak Mar 23 2011, 18:48 PM

QUOTE(trve^viking @ Mar 23 2011, 20:28 PM) *

so what the world should do with the jews nowdays squaak? final holocaust and then the problem is solved? take israel away from them? what u suggest to do?

The biggest problem of the World is caused by IsraŽl. It leads all the international decisions from the occidental countries and is the cause of many wars.
I suggest that we reform the Palestinia like it was before the creation of the IsraŽl State.
People would be able to live all together in peace, and every one would be able to practice his own religion peacefully.
The best way to come to this situation is a revolution from the populations and even from the IsraŽlian population in order to make their governement fall.

But ofc some of these zionists leaders who call for racism and war should be judged imo, as well as the leaders of the Nazi Germany were judged.

Moreover, with the end of this tyranic era, we would finally be allowed to use new forms on Energy instead of petrol (for example the free energy discovered by Tesla). The domination of the big companies would fall with the zionists leaders and we would be able to regulate the world for much better justice and peace. Moreover, it would also be the end of the consumption society.

We would also be able to finally give up with all these nuclear weapons and the very dangerous civil nuclear energy.

So yes if the current system fall down, it would totally change the face of the world in a very good way and there wouldn't even be poverty anymore once we use the free energy.

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