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# 1SeñorEcthelion Jan 28 2021, 21:33 PM
This video was made in 2018 for patch 09v1.00. I will simply point out the differences with 09v2.00





SIMPLE ARMOR BUFF = in 09v2 tooltips its called "'Armor BUFF'"
in 09v1 it gives 50% armor. in 09v2 it gives 35% armor.

SIMPLE DAMAGE BUFF = in 09v2 tooltips its called "'Damage LEADERSHIP'"
No changes.

SMALL ARMOR BUFF = in 09v2 tooltips its called "RESISTANT 'Armor Inspiring'"
in 09v1 it can be debuffed by anything. in 09v2 only debuffed with FreezingRain.

SMALL DAMAGE BUFF = in 09v2 tooltips its called "RESISTANT 'Damage Inspiring'"
in 09v1 it can be debuffed by anything. in 09v2 only debuffed with FreezingRain.

HIGH TIER LEADERSHIP = in 09v2 tooltips its called "RESISTANT 'High-Tier Hero'"
No changes.



Heroes that were changed.
-in 1.06/1.09 Theoden had "Damage LEADERSHIP" in level1, now it's removed and instead he has "RESISTANT 'Damage Inspiring'" in patch 1.09 v2.00.
-in 1.06/1.09 Saruman had a "RESISTANT 'High-Tier Hero', now it is a "RESISTANT 'Armor Inspiring'".
-in 1.06/1.09 Eye of sauron - Sharku - dakness - and RESISTANT 'High-Tier Hero' used to stack. Now all the 4 are the same "RESISTANT 'High-Tier Hero'". Therefore no longer stack.

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# 2QuikSilwer Jan 28 2021, 21:49 PM
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# 3Maru Jan 29 2021, 11:17 AM
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# 4Feanor Jan 29 2021, 11:33 AM
Now the old question, do defensive buffs are they additive and offensive buffs multiplicative? Like RotWK 2.01.

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# 5SeñorEcthelion Jan 29 2021, 12:29 PM
yes

A little table for reference.
ARMOR_MODIFIER Means DAMAGE_MODIFIER
Example6 -25% armor = 125% dmg taken. = 80% dmg needed to match
Example9 +25% armor = 75% dmg taken. = 133% dmg needed to match
Example12 +35% armor = 65% dmg taken. = 153% dmg needed to match
Example15 +50% armor = 50% dmg taken. = 200% dmg needed to match
Example19 +75% armor = 25% dmg taken. = 400% dmg needed to match


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# 6-Netput Jan 29 2021, 12:35 PM
Hmm, he mentions part 2 but i can't seem to find it.
There isn't a part 2?


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# 7Feanor Jan 29 2021, 12:37 PM
I mean two offensive buffs you have to multiplicate.

Like 50% + 50% = 225% damage (because it's 1.5x1.5)

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# 8-Netput Jan 29 2021, 12:38 PM
QUOTE(SeñorEcthelion @ Jan 28 2021, 22:33 PM) *

-in 1.06/1.09 Saruman had a "RESISTANT 'High-Tier Hero', now it is a "RESISTANT 'Armor Inspiring'".
-in 1.06/1.09 Eye of sauron - Sharku - dakness - and RESISTANT 'High-Tier Hero' used to stack. Now all the 4 are the same "RESISTANT 'High-Tier Hero'". Therefore no longer stack.

Why did Isengard got hit so hard? Seems they got nerfed hard on all buffs.
Was isengard too strong in 1.09v1?


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# 9SeñorEcthelion Jan 29 2021, 12:39 PM
He never made it. But it's pretty simply, it was meant to be one about debuff.

Ez to sumarize: debuff kills all leaderships except the ones whose tooltip say RESISTANT.

-If tooltip says RESISTANT, only freezign rain can cancel them.

-If tooltip says DEBUFF_PROOF, nothing can cancel it. not even rain.


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# 10-Netput Jan 29 2021, 12:46 PM
Thank you smile.gif Helpful stuff.
Now i only have to relearn what unit gives what buffs tongue.gif


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# 11SeñorEcthelion Jan 29 2021, 12:47 PM
QUOTE(-Netput @ Jan 29 2021, 09:38 AM) *

Why did Isengard got hit so hard? Seems they got nerfed hard on all buffs.
Was isengard too strong in 1.09v1?

ye it was op vs good factions. note we kept saruman leadership giving a armor leadership that resist debuff, which is what isen needs vs other evil factions and even Elf.

QUOTE(-Netput @ Jan 29 2021, 09:46 AM) *

Thank you smile.gif Helpful stuff.
Now i only have to relearn what unit gives what buffs tongue.gif

It will be easy as new patch display a FX for each leadership kind, and they stack. It used to be 3 FX's max, while some weren't stacking visually, or stack visually but not really stack. A mess tbh. Now everything is trustworthy

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# 12powerkartoffel Jan 29 2021, 15:18 PM
QUOTE(SeñorEcthelion @ Jan 29 2021, 08:39 AM) *

He never made it. But it's pretty simply, it was meant to be one about debuff.

Ez to sumarize: debuff kills all leaderships except the ones whose tooltip say RESISTANT.

-If tooltip says RESISTANT, only freezign rain can cancel them.

-If tooltip says DEBUFF_PROOF, nothing can cancel it. not even rain.



Aren´t debuffs more complicated?

The Debuffs gives also -DMG, -Speed, (Fear), -Armor
Which debuff give how much penalty to wich atributes? (most debuffs have no tooltip for that)
Are there also same groups? Like Whitchking, Crebain, Bats and Nasguls in one, Dain, Fog of Elves in one, Wormtongue, and Mouth of Sauron in one?
Freezing rain just cancels Buffs or gives extra penalties to atributes?
Fear is debuff?
Fear cancels buffs?

Where i could read about this with FinalBig?

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# 13SeñorEcthelion Jan 29 2021, 16:10 PM
There are only 2 debuff "kinds" that stack. DEBUFF & STUN.

DEBUFF
-25% dmg -25% armor. (kills LEADERSHIP & BUFF)
*This would be crebain, bats, nazgul, wk, mightyrage, elfmist, doubt.
They might have different object filters, and even values.
-MoS Doubt also reduces speed 5% but it is still a DEBUFF.
-Freezign rain is also a DEBUFF but it cancels not only LEADERSHIP & BUFF; also RESISTANT.

STUN
-50% fire rate (archers only, not even crossbows or axe throwers)
-40% speed..
Vanilla one: Let's call it DEBUFF
*This would be Grima venomous Words. in 1.06/1.09 it is also a DEBUFF kind that overwrites crebain. Now it's a STUN therefore stack with DEBUFF.


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# 14powerkartoffel Jan 29 2021, 16:23 PM
QUOTE(SeñorEcthelion @ Jan 29 2021, 12:10 PM) *

There are only 2 debuff "kinds" that stack. DEBUFF & STUN.

DEBUFF
-25% dmg -25% armor. (kills LEADERSHIP & BUFF)
*This would be crebain, bats, nazgul, wk, mightyrage, elfmist, doubt.
They might have different object filters, and even values.
-MoS Doubt also reduces speed 5% but it is still a DEBUFF.
-Freezign rain is also a DEBUFF but it cancels not only LEADERSHIP & BUFF; also RESISTANT.

STUN
-50% fire rate (archers only, not even crossbows or axe throwers)
-40% speed..
Vanilla one: Let's call it DEBUFF
*This would be Grima venomous Words. in 1.06/1.09 it is also a DEBUFF kind that overwrites crebain. Now it's a STUN therefore stack with DEBUFF.


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# 15SeñorEcthelion Jan 29 2021, 17:28 PM
U do it and i tell you if you are wrong.


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# 16powerkartoffel Jan 29 2021, 18:09 PM
QUOTE(SeñorEcthelion @ Jan 29 2021, 13:28 PM) *

U do it and i tell you if you are wrong.


Sounds Fair...

For that... some Questions more:

RotwK included Formations like Shield wall and Purpine and i guess also stances in the max 75% Def Buff.
This is in 1.09v2 the same? In Video tells me it doesnt have influence.
Fear doesnt have a buff canceling effect?
Which units doesnt get Buffs or have special Buffs

Is this complete?

Ents - Treebeard, Vision Elves and Isengard
Cavalery - all Normal buffs + debuffs + Stun + Shaku and Eomer, Vision Elves and Isengard
Trolls - Drummer Troll, Darkness, Stun, Debuffs, Vision Elves and Isengard
Monster (also Trolls, Mumakil, Berserker, Giants, Spiders (just summond and small), Balrog, (ENTS?)) - Darkness, debuffs, Stun, Vision Elves and Isengard
Mashines (BW = Mashine, Monster or Cav?) - Stun, Elven 5 PP vision, Debuff, Vision Elves and Isengard
Archer (here also Spiderriders and Rohirim?) - Stun (extra: Slow shooting), Elven 5 PP vision, Isengard Vision all Buffs and debuffs
Heros - Stun, Debuff, Vision Elves and Isengard, ???
Summond Heros/Monsters - ???

Galadriel have also Leadership?
Heros have some Buffs to themselves (Berserker are monsters now?)?
Debuff - All Units/Heros/Monsters/SpellMonsters get debuff???


Im sorry when there are to many questions, but its my stupid nature.

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# 17SeñorEcthelion Jan 29 2021, 18:32 PM
si


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# 18tempttaion Jan 31 2021, 02:11 AM
QUOTE(SeñorEcthelion @ Jan 29 2021, 18:32 PM) *

si

wtf si where ur answer?

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# 19Clever Jan 31 2021, 10:59 AM
Seems like Ect approved everything powerkartoffel mentioned and ignored the ??.

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# 20Maru Jan 31 2021, 15:45 PM
Ok, I hearby state that trolls causing fear on pikemen is OP. There...I said it. How you supposed to micro archers and pike against Cav + Swords + Trolls if the idiot pikes don't move.

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