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# 1Jundiyy Jul 28 2020, 22:53 PM


Excal vs Google - 11 Games - 1.04+

- 11 Games (not BO11)
- Sponsor $25 from AKAbolony, $25 from Jundiyy
- Each win earns $4.50, last game gives $5, so the more wins, the more money.

- Thursday 18:00 GMT

Format/Rules:

- Random vs Random (unless it's AirForce vs any USA, then reverse)
- First 2 games on Gold Cobra and 3rd game on Storm Valley
- After that loser picks every time (from the map pool).
- Same map can be played unlimited times but not back to back
- If the score is 5-5, players can choose a match up (loser chooses which army he wants) or China mirror.
- Cars are not allowed to be taken with terrorists
- If mismatch/crash happens, the player in a clear winning position wins, streamers decision. Otherwise replayed. Please be happy with the outcome.

Map Pool:

Gold Cobra
Storm Valley
Artic Lagoon
Snowy Drought
Canyon of the Dead
Desolated District
Sand Scorpion
Tournament Desert Revived
Vendetta

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# 2ReLaX Jul 29 2020, 05:33 AM
Take known balanced maps to have a better view on the balance!

Otherwise a good move to include 1.04p in challenges.

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# 3Mp3 Jul 29 2020, 05:47 AM
QUOTE(ReLaX @ Jul 29 2020, 00:33 AM) *
Take known balanced maps to have a better view on the balance!

QUOTE(Jundiyy @ Jul 28 2020, 17:53 PM) *
Map Pool:

Gold Cobra
Storm Valley

Artic Lagoon
Snowy Drought
Canyon of the Dead
Desolated District
Sand Scorpion
Tournament Desert Revived
Vendetta

Which means that, out of the entire list, only 3 maps needed to be swapped to a more known variant. tongue.gif Seems like a good map-set in my view. More important question would be - is ExCaL familiar with these battlefields as much as GooGliii. biggrin.gif

Very nice to see 1.04+ getting the attention it deserves. Thank you for organizing and sponsoring it, AKA & Jundiyy! blush.gif

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# 4HaWkY^ Jul 29 2020, 05:58 AM
Who are these?


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# 5Jundiyy Jul 29 2020, 10:56 AM
Tournament Desert Revived is the same as the original with just some tweaks and balance fixes.

The other 2 were upon request, Gold Cobra is a walk in the park to learn, the only one that might feel different is Storm Valley. I've asked the players to check out the maps if they don't already know them. + Players have agreed to these maps.

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# 6ReLaX Jul 29 2020, 13:24 PM
Please stop doing more and more TD maps....Winter and original and ccg is enough.

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# 7Jundiyy Jul 29 2020, 14:26 PM
QUOTE(ReLaX @ Jul 29 2020, 13:24 PM) *

Please stop doing more and more TD maps....Winter and original and ccg is enough.


I don't mean to sound bad but what does it matter how many TD maps there are? There are many versions of many maps but they are just not brought forward. This is my own TD which I made long ago but I just didn't give it out to anybody apart from a few people, now I want to use it in a challenge. Is there any harm in that?

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# 8Leikeze Jul 29 2020, 22:03 PM
If Jundiyy's doing it, it can't be harmful.

Should be interesting to see if Excal gets SW vs Nuke and goes for Raptors & Missile Defenders behind EMPs. Big hunt at 2 mins in, then just camp it up.

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# 9ReLaX Jul 30 2020, 06:14 AM
QUOTE(Jundiyy @ Jul 29 2020, 16:26 PM) *

I don't mean to sound bad but what does it matter how many TD maps there are? There are many versions of many maps but they are just not brought forward. This is my own TD which I made long ago but I just didn't give it out to anybody apart from a few people, now I want to use it in a challenge. Is there any harm in that?


I just said that I dont think another map based on the original TD I think is not required, not more, not less.
With all these different versions its just too much.

TD we have 3 core additional ones, open, classic and Winter. NoBugs I just dont count because it is the original.

Same goes for Lagoon. Also my latest fixes on Lagoon which were balance fixes are not in the Winter version.

I would say a brand new map dedign is much better than winter reviesions.

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# 10Jundiyy Jul 30 2020, 14:55 PM
thumb.gif I understand you're point, it makes sense for the RANK basis but this isn't RANK, think of it more of, you are playing within a circle of friends or you're an AI player and you edit a map to your liking and play it, this is similar to that. But now I just want the players to play it on my challenge. And they accepted it.

Anyway regarding Lagoon, now that you brought it up, there is still a bit fix you forgot to do, which you did in v3, the right supplies and the civ building next to it. If you ever make a v5, you can fix it, since it gives quite a big advantage.

Not sure which balance fixes I missed out, I did as many as I could see and that had been pointed out by the community, might be some small ones I missed out but nothing major that needs a version I'd say, here are the ones I remember right now
- Corner mountains
- Artillery Platform
- Right midd supps
- Civ building on the right
- Middle tower
- Left midd supps
- Buildings on the left
- High ground on the left is now equal (moved the ridge/cliff)
- Small supp in the base
- And I even remade the full lagoon in the middle since it wasn't centred.
This covers a lot of the balance fixes.

Brand new maps are great but not for this challenge, Gold Cobra and Storm Valley are enough.

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# 11[OoE]ExCaL^ Jul 30 2020, 21:15 PM
ggs ty for the series on the patch

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# 12Jundiyy Jul 30 2020, 21:22 PM
Some very nice games

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# 13Fargo Jul 30 2020, 22:49 PM
What a nub google hahhaa

Wp excal ez, even you did not half of the maps, just wow hah

Was a joke when after started getting owned so hard, so at he end he said to jundy to choose map, when score equal, google would never do that, also last game or so he kept cc as swg (swg is good army tbh) and beacon gonna cc, he basically started to pretend he is not trying hard and don't care in front of others even though already he got demolished, how sad is that...

Ps google you won at least 15 dollars, which is great for you

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# 14ReLaX Jul 31 2020, 08:14 AM
Some nice games here. Any first feedback from Google or Excal?

Random only tend to have much less bad mus in 1.04.

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# 15Fargo Jul 31 2020, 08:49 AM
also what a joke,google complained about aurora costing 2.5k wtf? aurora the most op thing in the game and exra 500$ makes it too expensive and not good to make? what a logic, WOW

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# 16[OoE]ExCaL^ Jul 31 2020, 08:53 AM
500 a big increase - Maybe 2200 cost is better for alpha. China felt very spammy, defo felt the build time decrease.

I really wish I tried paladins for 900 in the usa tank game, got drone though automatically.

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# 17Logica Jul 31 2020, 09:00 AM
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500 a big increase - Maybe 2200 cost is better for alpha. China felt very spammy, defo felt the build time decrease.

I really wish I tried paladins for 900 in the usa tank game, got drone though automatically.



Wp excally, completely outclassed google.

Paladins dont work due to how many gatts you can spam. You can basically get gatts through due to the speed and having less Paladins out in time. Alternatively sentry drones but they don't scale up well and you would struggle to a man spam variation.

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# 18ReLaX Jul 31 2020, 10:06 AM
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China felt very spammy, defo felt the build time decrease


What do you mean?
Vchina too spammy or strömt?

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# 19[OoE]ExCaL^ Jul 31 2020, 10:14 AM
The decrease in build time meant as vchina I really overwhelmed vGla in that match. Traditionally, vchina doesn't have that much chance vs any gla.

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# 20Jundiyy Jul 31 2020, 10:26 AM
Yes exactly what I said to both of you, China is a spam general, have to be prepared smile.gif hopefully with some more games on it, might be able to tell if it's too much or not. We, of course want China to be equally balanced and not op.
As a side note, ladder matches work on this patch.

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