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# 1Jundiyy Aug 16 2020, 10:16 AM
Hello all,
So I decided to edit the Zero Hour files and enable the Boss General.
Yes there are already Boss General patches out there to download, but I wanted it to be fair in multiplayer games and not op. I haven't edited anything major, so I am testing and changing prices/build times accordingly, for example, the Helix only took 10 seconds to build and cost just $1200, compared to a China Helix of $1500 and 20 seconds.

Currently the AI doesn't work but I will work on it as time goes on.

To install/play, extract the file and place it in your main ZH folder, NOT THE DOCUMENTS folders, mine is: C:\Program Files (x86)\EA Games\Command & Conquer Generals Zero Hour
To remove/uninstall, remove the file from the folder.

Boss General Beta 2.0
Attached File _BossGeneralBeta2.0.zip
Size: 2.81mb
Number of downloads: 518
Player Name Side Team


Change log from 1.1 to 2.0

Challenge Mode works
Airfield 35s > 30s
Tunnel Network 20s > 17.5s
Overlord $2000 > $1900
Buggies $1100 > $900, 10s > 15s
Tomahawks $1200 > $1100
Avengers $2000 > $1500
King Raptors 20s > 25s
Helix 12.5s > 15s




BossGeneralBeta 1.1

Tunnel Network 5s > 20s
Patriot 30s > 25s (back to original)
Bunker $500 > $400 (back to original)
Reinforcement Pad now works, will drop off 1 of 3 units per drop, a Paladin Tank, a Gattling Tank or a Dragon Tank
Attached File _BossGeneralBeta1.1.rar
Size: 72.49k
Number of downloads: 132


BossGeneralBeta1
Attached File _BossGeneralBeta1.rar
Size: 56.7k
Number of downloads: 137


BossGeneralAlpha7
Attached File _BossGeneralAlpha7.rar
Size: 56.7k
Number of downloads: 93


BossGeneralAlpha4

Attached File _BossGeneralAlpha4.rar
Size: 56.69k
Number of downloads: 89




Boss General info

Buildings
Command Centre
Cold Fusion Reactor
Supply Centre
Barracks
War Factory
Airfield
Tunnel Network
Patriot Battery
Gattling Cannon
Bunker
Speaker Tower
Particle Cannon
Scud Storm
Nuclear Missile

Units
Dozer
Supply Truck

Ranger
Tank Hunter
Angry Mob
Pathfinder
Hacker
Black Lotus
Colonel Burton
Jarmen Kell

Paladin
Dragon
Gattling Tank
Combat Bike
Sentry Drone
Overlord
Avenger
Tomahawk
Rocket Buggy

Helix
Mig
King Raptor
Aurora

General Powers
Rank 1
Paladin Training

Rank 3
Pathfinder Training
Cluser Mines
Cash Bounty level 1
Cash Bounty level 2
Cash Bounty level 3
Artillery Barrage level 1
Artillery Barrage level 2
Artillery Barrage level 3

Rank 5
Carpet Bomb
Spectre Gunship
EMP Pulse
Sneak Attack


Change log - Original to Beta 1

Airfield 30s > 35s
Particle Cannon $5000 > $4500
Scud Storm $5000 > $4500
Nuclear Missile $5000 > $4500
Patriot Battery $1000 > $700, 25s > 30s
Bunker $400 > $500
Gattling Cannon $1200 > $1100
Helix $1200 > $1500, 10s > 12.5s
King Raptor $1100 > $1250
Pathfinder $600 > $900, 10s > 15s
Hacker $625 > $575, 20s > 15s
Angry Mob $800 > $1000
Paladin Tank $1100 > $900, 12s > 10S
Sentry Drone $800 > $500, 10s > 7s
Rocket Buggy $900 > $1100
Combat Bike $500 > $600, 8s > 6s


Tournaments/Challenges
Fargo vs Vivid - BO7 - Beta 1
Boss Gen Tourney - Beta 1
Excal vs Size - BO7 - Beta 1
Boss Gen Expert Round Robin - Beta 1.1

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# 2Leikeze Aug 16 2020, 12:23 PM
Well that went pretty quick from an idea to fruition. I'll give it a try.

I've moved the topic to General Discussion for a bit (so people see it), it'll be moved back later.

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# 3Jundiyy Aug 16 2020, 12:37 PM
Nice, ty.
I will be hosting a tournament on here very soon as well smile.gif

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# 4Leikeze Aug 16 2020, 13:59 PM
Oh, wow, I did not realize that hotkeys would be such an issue until I started a game. wacko.gif

Looks like Boss General is a scuba army.

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# 5Leikeze Aug 16 2020, 14:05 PM
I'm on GameRanger now if anybody wants to go Random reverse against Boss General to see how it pans out.

https://youtu.be/rw-73aa3vyk

Alright, Boss General takes getting used to, it's pretty awkward.

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# 6Jundiyy Aug 16 2020, 16:26 PM
Indeed it is, just finished my stream as well.

Legi's stream


Jundiyy's stream


Feels quite powerful. Might just be because I'm not used to playing with it. No experience on how to play or counter.

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# 7Leikeze Aug 16 2020, 16:57 PM
After testing it a while, King Raptors are the hardest thing to deal with.

I can't seem to deal with GLA though.

This needs a lot more testing, let's see if we can get Excal vs Size.

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# 8Jundiyy Aug 16 2020, 19:08 PM
Yep, they really force all ins from USAs.
Perhaps another $100 increase might help or even $200.

The Airfield price was already raised and so was the King Raptor, would be even worse with the original prices lol.

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# 9Leikeze Aug 16 2020, 19:10 PM
Could you instead increase the airfield build time by 4 seconds? I believe the bigger issue is how quickly the Raptor comes rather than its cost.

If you're up against USA, $1400 is worth it if it means a 100% successful dozer hunt + anti-missile super Avenger.

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# 10Jundiyy Aug 16 2020, 19:17 PM
Ah yea, I think that might be better. I haven't played vs GLA much, hardly actually, if the Gatt Tank was slightly pricey by $50, it might also help to weaken it vs USAs, right now you can go Raptors and Gatts, and can always follow up with Buggies.

So an extra $50 on the Gatts would help, at the moment it feels like another Airforce vs the USAs. But kinda better since you can go Raptors and Gatts, Raptors pick off Chinooks and attack incoming Vees, Gatts chew off what is left.

The worry is vs GLAs then. But think $50 shouldn't cause a problem.

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# 11`Legionnaire Aug 16 2020, 19:20 PM
Are you guys legit trying to balance boss general? 😂😂

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# 12Jundiyy Aug 16 2020, 19:29 PM
Lol yes, it's something 'new' so it would be nice if it came kinda fixed since, no one is used to it yet. I have ready started preparing a tournament on it, so yea would be nice if it had some balance in.

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# 13Leikeze Aug 16 2020, 19:54 PM
I'd make the buggies $1100 before making the gats more expensive. If Vees aren't coming, then you're going to be stuck with worse gats as well.

Composite Armor is also a thing to look into. It currently looks like this:
  • Shots from a Paladin without CA:
    • Paladin - 9
    • Overlord - 19
    • Gatling Tank - 5
    • Dragon - 5
    • Tomahawk - 3
    • Avenger - 9
    • Sentry Drone - 5
  • Shots from Paladin with CA:
    • Paladin - 10
    • Overlord - 20
    • Gatling Tank - 7
    • Dragon - 7
    • Tomahawk - 3
    • Avenger - 10
    • Sentry Drone - 17
Avengers are scary enough as it is, and Gats/Dragons become nice and tanky.

Also, why does Boss get Neutron Shells?

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# 14KingRTS Aug 16 2020, 21:18 PM
QUOTE(Jundiyy @ Aug 16 2020, 05:16 AM) *

Hello all,
So I decided to edit the Zero Hour files and enable the Boss General.
Yes there are already Boss General patches out there to download, but I wanted it to be fair in multiplayer games and not op. I haven't edited anything major, so I am testing and changing prices/build times accordingly, for example, the Helix only took 10 seconds to build and cost just $1200, compared to a China Helix of $1500 and 20 seconds. So I increased the cost and time.

Currently the AI doesn't work but I will work on it as time goes on.

Attached File _BossGeneralAlpha4.rar
Size: 56.69k
Number of downloads: 89





AH nice general may i know what your trying to fix about it?? Also looking forward to those tournaments

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# 15Jundiyy Aug 17 2020, 09:15 AM
QUOTE(Leikeze @ Aug 16 2020, 19:54 PM) *

I'd make the buggies $1100 before making the gats more expensive. If Vees aren't coming, then you're going to be stuck with worse gats as well.

Composite Armor is also a thing to look into. It currently looks like this:
  • Shots from a Paladin without CA:
    • Paladin - 9
    • Overlord - 19
    • Gatling Tank - 5
    • Dragon - 5
    • Tomahawk - 3
    • Avenger - 9
    • Sentry Drone - 5
  • Shots from Paladin with CA:
    • Paladin - 10
    • Overlord - 20
    • Gatling Tank - 7
    • Dragon - 7
    • Tomahawk - 3
    • Avenger - 10
    • Sentry Drone - 17
Avengers are scary enough as it is, and Gats/Dragons become nice and tanky.

Also, why does Boss get Neutron Shells?


Yes I was actually thinking about the Buggies going up another $100

Neutron Shells...just in case you ever manage to take a Nuke Cannon or capture a Nuke War Factory laugh.gif not really, I don't know why it's there, maybe they planned to use it or they copied and pasted a Nuclear Missile and forgot to remove it.

The units, I know that 5 of them take benefit of the Composite Armour upgrade, Paladin, Overlord, Gatling Tank, Dragon Tank and Avenger. Can you please test the Sentry Drone again, I don't think it benefits and secondly, the difference is too much to make sense.

And just yesterday I found out, Boss General Hackers are the best Hackers...if you find an Internet Centre lol.
They hack the fastest in an IC, a bit faster than Inf Gen Hackers.

QUOTE(Your Boy The King @ Aug 16 2020, 21:18 PM) *

AH nice general may i know what your trying to fix about it?? Also looking forward to those tournaments


Just trying to make it a bit more of a balanced general, watch the videos to understand smile.gif

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# 16Leikeze Aug 17 2020, 13:24 PM
QUOTE(Jundiyy @ Aug 17 2020, 04:15 AM) *

Yes I was actually thinking about the Buggies going up another $100

Neutron Shells...just in case you ever manage to take a Nuke Cannon or capture a Nuke War Factory laugh.gif not really, I don't know why it's there, maybe they planned to use it or they copied and pasted a Nuclear Missile and forgot to remove it.

The units, I know that 5 of them take benefit of the Composite Armour upgrade, Paladin, Overlord, Gatling Tank, Dragon Tank and Avenger. Can you please test the Sentry Drone again, I don't think it benefits and secondly, the difference is too much to make sense.

And just yesterday I found out, Boss General Hackers are the best Hackers...if you find an Internet Centre lol.
They hack the fastest in an IC, a bit faster than Inf Gen Hackers.

Yeah, Neutron Shells should go.

The Sentry Drone part was a joke because I thought it affected them at first, but was disappointed upon testing. tongue.gif

Mmmmm...a bit too OP with China Supply Centers and cheaper, better Hackers than everybody else gets. Gotta tone that down a tad bit for the next version.

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# 17Jundiyy Aug 17 2020, 13:37 PM
QUOTE(Leikeze @ Aug 17 2020, 13:24 PM) *

Yeah, Neutron Shells should go.

The Sentry Drone part was a joke because I thought it affected them at first, but was disappointed upon testing. tongue.gif

Mmmmm...a bit too OP with China Supply Centers and cheaper, better Hackers than everybody else gets. Gotta tone that down a tad bit for the next version.


oh lol haha, didn't know it was a joke lol.

And the Hackers are only better in an IC, but you don't get on as Boss...so yea haha. Otherwise they are the same.
Comparing them to 1.04+ Hackers, I made them a bit more pricey, since she gets them from the start, perhaps could even move to 600.

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# 18Leikeze Aug 17 2020, 13:47 PM
I'm trying to imagine her in 1 vs 1 settings, mostly, but when I think about a 2 vs 2 no rush 10 on tournament island where all you have to do is spam barracks and get hackers right from the start before spamming 50 tomahawks by 10 minutes in, it kinda hurts my head. wacko.gif Even if it isn't really a game type to consider.

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# 19Mp3 Aug 18 2020, 07:37 AM
QUOTE(Jundiyy @ Aug 16 2020, 07:37 AM) *
I will be hosting a tournament on here very soon as well smile.gif

I'll be short on time, when that idea is going to be executed. However, for that tourney alone, I might be able to squeeze in a lil' slot to play games. Loving when modded ZH gets involved. ^^

QUOTE(Leikeze @ Aug 17 2020, 08:47 AM) *
I'm trying to imagine her in 1 vs 1 settings, mostly, but when I think about a 2 vs 2 no rush 10 on tournament island where all you have to do is spam barracks and get hackers right from the start before spamming 50 tomahawks by 10 minutes in, it kinda hurts my head. wacko.gif Even if it isn't really a game type to consider.

You don't mean to get those artillery units into further "biblio-tech" stage, which would require more than Air-Field in order to build them, do you?

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# 20Jundiyy Aug 18 2020, 09:02 AM
QUOTE(Mp3 @ Aug 18 2020, 07:37 AM) *

I'll be short on time, when that idea is going to be executed. However, for that tourney alone, I might be able to squeeze in a lil' slot to play games. Loving when modded ZH gets involved. ^^


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I plan to start sign ups next week if I can.

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