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# 1powerkartoffel Feb 26 2021, 16:06 PM
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Buff and Debuff for 1.09v2

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In this guide, we take a look at the use of spells and leaderships. We examine how to efficiently take advantage of the potential that buffs and debuffs have. We see into their visible effects, status effects, stacking and canceling.

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Definitions

Buffs are active or passive spells or leaderships, which affects propriate or allied units, increasing status effects.

Debuffs are active or passive spells which decreases status effects of enemy units. They have a buff canceling or killing function.

Stacking describes how two or multiple buffs or debuffs increase or decrease status effects together.

Canceling is an effect which suppresses buffs.

Killing is an effect which deletes completely the effect of a buff.

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About armor: The maximum amount of armor in buffs, leaderships and also stances and formations is +75% all additional armor does not have effect. Exceptions are Glorious Charge, armor upgrades and immunity spells.

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Armor Resistant (Armor Inspiring)

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Armor Resistant (AR) gives 25% more armor, 125% experience and works just on horde units. It is just cancelable with Freezing Rain.
AR does not stack among themselves and can just be canceled by Freezing Rain.
Arwen Leadership just works on cavalry.
Saruman Leadership is a hidden leadership, which does not appear on the palantir.

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Armor Buff

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Armor Buffs give usually 35% more armor and work on horde units. Exceptions are Starlight Buff by Glorfindel (+35% armor & 150% damage) and the Charge Attack of Guardians (+25% armor & 125% speed).
Eomers Armor Buff just affects cavalery units. 
Armor Buffs do not stack among themselves and are cancelable by any debuff.
On trolls Gorkils Totem gives +20 to auto heal and 125% experience. Drummer Troll Leadership gives on trolls +20 to auto heal, +15% armor and 115% experience.


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Damage Resistant (Damage Inspiring)

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Damage Resistance gives 125% damage and 125% experience on horde units.
It is just cancelable by Freezing Rain and does not stack among other Damage Resistances.
For the Lone Tower Damage Resistant, the upgrade in the fortress or citadel have to be purchased. 

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Damage Leadership

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Damage Leadership gives usually 150% damage and 125% experience on horde units. The exception is Warchant, which gives 140% damage and 110% Speed on horde units.
It is cancelable by any debuff in the game, by WargHowl and allied ElvenWood. It does not stack among themselves. 

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BFME Bug: Rallying Call or Warchant looses the effect permanently if casted over leadership-cancelers. Even if the units exit the debuffed area.

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High Tier Leadership

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High Tier Leadership (HTL) gives 25% more armor, 125% damage and 150% experience on horde units.
HTS is just cancelable by Freezing Rain and does not stack among themselves.
Sharku has a second not cancelable leadership to decrease the crush deceleration of near cavalry. (multiplicator 35%)

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Speed Buff

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Palantir gives 115% and Ivory Tower 110% speed.
Ivory Tower effects heros and horde units.
Palantir effects machines and horde units.
Speed Buffs can just be canceled with Freezing Rain. Palantir and Ivory Tower stacks together and with other buffs.
Also other buffs like Warchant, Charge Attack of guardians, Tree Beard Leadership and Mighty Rage can increase speed.

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Farsight

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Farsight gives 35% more range (shooting & vision).
It just effects catapults, ballistas, tribuches, ranged infantry and ranged cavalry.
Farsight stacks with everything and is just cancelable by Freezing Rain.

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Elven Wood

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Elven Wood gives 35% more armor, 125% damage and 125% experience on horde units. Furthermore Elven Wood sets enemy crush deceleration to 350%.  
It stacks with everything but Damage Leadership and can just be canceled by Freezing Rain. Damage Leaderships get killed when casted over Elven Wood.
Elven Wood can overcast Tainted Land and Men Wood, but can  not be overcasted by them.

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Darkness

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On horde units Darkness gives 33.3% more armor, 150% damage and 150% experience.
On monsters Darkness gives 33.3% more Armor, 125% Damage and 150% Experience.
Darkness stacks with everything and is cancelable by Cloud Break and Freezing Rain furthermore Cloud Break and Freezing Rain can be canceled by Darkness.

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Tree Beard Leadership

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Tree Beard Leadership gives 25% more armor, 20% more range (shooting & vision), 125% experience and 110% speed.
It just effects Ents and is just cancelable by Freezing Rain.

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Mighty Rage

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Mighty Rage gives 25% more vision, 125% damage and 120% speed on horde units and heros. Casted on enemy horde units it is also an debuff.
It is DEBUFF_PROOF what means it is not cancelable by any debuff and stacks with any other buff.

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Glorious Charge

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Glorious Charge gives 125% damage and sets the armor to 99% , makes immune against fear and terror and sets crush deceleration to 0. It works just on cavalry and is like Mighty Rage DEBUFF_PROOF, what means it is not cancelable by any debuff and stacks with any other buff.

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Shield Maiden

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Shield Maiden sets the crush deceleration of near rohirrim to 50%. It is like Mighty Rage and Glorious Charge DEBUFF_PROOF, what means it is not cancelable by any debuff and stacks with any other buff.

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Debuff

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Debuffs usually gives -25% armor and 75% damage on enemy horde units. Freezing Rain, Mouth of Sauron's Doubt and Elven Mist effects also Monsters. Mouth of Sauron's Doubt and Elven Mist effects also heros.
Debuffs does not stack among themselves.
All debuffs cancel LEADERSHIP & BUFF types (Damage Leadership and Armor Buff). Which exclude RESISTANT types or DEBUFF_PROOF types. Freezing Rain cancels any kind of leadership (LEADERSHIP, BUFF, RESISTANT types).

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Stun

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There exist just two stuns in the form of debuffs.
Poisonous Words slows down enemy horde units and heros to 60% speed and slows down the fire rate of archers to 50%.
Hour of the Witchking with 75% damage on enemy heros. Sets enemy hero spell timers to 20% ready.
Both stuns stack with each other and with all debuffs.

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Stacking Overview

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Changes 1.06 to 1.09v2

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by Powerkartoffel & Ecthelion


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This post has been edited by powerkartoffel: Mar 25 2021, 13:26 PM

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# 2SeñorEcthelion Mar 4 2021, 18:59 PM
best guide ever bra


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# 3Feanor Mar 4 2021, 20:54 PM
Nice work thumb.gif

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# 4SCloud Mar 5 2021, 07:15 AM
you guys remember peppin, but forget eowen's shield maiden? It halves deceleration, so that would count as a spell i guess.

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# 5SeñorEcthelion Mar 5 2021, 10:49 AM
its debuff proft like glorious charge biggrin.gif


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# 6powerkartoffel Mar 5 2021, 11:54 AM
True could be mentioned aswell...

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I added a section for Eowen. I also added the 350% crush deceleration of Elven Wood.

Thanks SCloud

Btw. What do you think about Shield Maiden. I think since rohirrim don't make so much crush damage, its not anymore such an good spell.

This post has been edited by powerkartoffel: Mar 6 2021, 00:31 AM

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# 7SCloud Mar 6 2021, 16:50 PM
eowen herself is an almost useless hero. Her ressource cost and cp cost outwieght her benefits imo...Her smite doesn't recharge fast compared to her cousin's spear throw, or her future's husband's wounding arrow. She gets that splash damage on level 4 which is nice, but rohs have the same effect and cost less, destroy faster.
About Shield maiden, I think the deceleration is good if you want to cruise through hordes, especially archers, orcs, goblins. Rohs get a nice crush dmg with theo and rallying call now since those 2 stack, and it's quite powerful.
I believe eowen is the least useful hero in the game atm only see her in mordor matchups but even then she doesn't do much). mype her smite needs to recharge faster, at least in par with wounding arrow.

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# 8StrayHeart Mar 14 2021, 16:54 PM
You should also mention Boromir horn stuns along with troll fear and crebains iirc. At least temporarily.

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# 9powerkartoffel Mar 14 2021, 18:15 PM
QUOTE(StrayHeart @ Mar 14 2021, 12:54 PM) *

You should also mention Boromir horn stuns along with troll fear and crebains iirc. At least temporarily.


This are other kind of stuns. they are fear and terror spells. As I know they don't have attribute multiplier which referring in speed,dmg, armor,experience etc. Could be in an other guide. Or please let me know what you mean exactly.

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# 10Val` Mar 15 2021, 12:57 PM
Great work thankyou


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# 11-Netput Mar 23 2021, 19:29 PM
How did i miss this?
GREAT guide!


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# 12SeñorEcthelion Jun 18 2021, 15:24 PM
bump. link from portal fixed.


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# 13B3bop Jun 28 2021, 17:29 PM
thank you guys ! especially for the stacking
hopefully my IQ allows me to remember that

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