Using this data by DoMiNaToR, I identified: - Best and worst army. - Best and worst faction. - Best and worst USA, China, GLA. And there are many different and interesting statistics. ---- This table is based on: Version of game: 1.04 Map: TD NO CARS Both players super pros No major mistakes in game Random balance is ON ===================== ================== Best Army Army ----- %WinRate 1. Air -------- 71,6 2. Tox ------- 60 3. Demo ---- 60 4. Laser ----- 56,6 5. vGLA ----- 55,4 6. Stealth --- 55 7. vUSA ----- 55 8. Inf. ------- 50,8 9. SW ------- 45 10. Nuke ---- 33,3 11. Tank ---- 32,5 12. vChina -- 24,6 =============== Best Faction GLA (57,6%) Tox ------ 60 Demo --- 60 vGLA ---- 55,4 Stealth -- 55 USA (57%) Air ------- 71,6 Laser ---- 56,6 vUSA ---- 55 SW ------ 45 China (35,3%) Inf. ------ 50,8 Nuke ---- 33,3 Tank ---- 32,5 vChina -- 24,6 =================== USA vs China (72,8%) Air vs China ------ 80 Laser vs China --- 77,5 vUSA vs China ---- 75 SW vs China ------ 58,7 --- GLA vs China (71,3%) Tox vs China ----- 76,2 Demo vs China --- 75 vGLA vs China ---- 70 Stealth vs China -- 63,7 --- GLA vs USA (51,5%) Tox vs USA -------- 53,7 Stealth vs USA ---- 52,5 Demo vs USA ------ 50 vGLA vs USA ------- 50 --- USA vs USA (50%) Air vs USA -------- 81,2 Laser vs USA ----- 41,2 vUSA vs USA ------ 40 SW vs USA -------- 37,5 --- China vs China (50%) Inf vs China ------ 72,5 Nuke vs China ---- 48,7 vChina vs China -- 40 Tank vs China ---- 38,7 --- GLA vs GLA (50%) Demo vs GLA ------ 55 Tox vs GLA -------- 50 Stealth vs GLA ---- 48,7 vGLA vs GLA ------ 46,2 --- USA vs GLA (48,5%) Air vs GLA -------- 53,7 Laser vs GLA ----- 51,2 vUSA vs GLA ----- 50 SW vs GLA -------- 38,7 --- China vs GLA (28,7%) Nuke vs GLA ------ 41,2 Inf vs GLA -------- 33,7 Tank vs GLA ------ 30 vChina vs GLA ---- 10 --- China vs USA (27,2%) Inf vs USA -------- 46,2 Tank vs USA ----- 28,7 vChina vs USA --- 23,7 Nuke vs USA ----- 10 ====================== Best army against USA, %Winrate Air vs USA ------- 81,2 Tox vs USA ------ 53,7 Stealth vs USA -- 52,5 Demo vs USA --- 50 vGLA vs USA ---- 50 Inf vs USA ------ 46,2 Laser vs USA --- 41,2 vUSA vs USA --- 40 SW vs USA ----- 37,5 Tank vs USA --- 28,7 vChina vs USA -- 23,7 Nuke vs USA --- 10 --- Best army against China, %Winrate Air vs China ------- 80 Laser vs China---- 77,5 Tox vs China ------ 76,2 vUSA vs China ---- 75 Demo vs China --- 75 Inf vs China ------- 72,5 vGLA vs China ---- 70 Stealth vs China -- 63,7 SW vs China ------ 58,7 Nuke vs China ---- 48,7 vChina vs China -- 40 Tank vs China ---- 38,7 --- Best army against GLA, %Winrate Demo vs GLA ---- 55 Air vs GLA ------- 53,7 Laser vs GLA ---- 51,2 Tox vs GLA ------ 50 vUSA vs GLA ---- 50 Stealth vs GLA -- 48,7 vGLA vs GLA ---- 46,2 Nuke vs GLA ---- 41,2 SW vs GLA ------ 38,7 Inf vs GLA ------- 33,7 Tank vs GLA ----- 30 vChina vs GLA --- 10 =================== Matchup %WinRate Air (71,6%) Air vs USA ---- 81,2 Air vs China -- 80 Air vs GLA ---- 53,7 Air vs Stealth 50 Air vs Air 50 Air vs Tox 50 Air vs vGLA 55 Air vs Demo 60 Air vs Inf 60 Air vs Tank 75 Air vs vChina 90 Air vs Laser 90 Air vs vUSA 90 Air vs Nuke 95 Air vs SW 95 --- Tox (60%) Tox vs China -- 76,2 Tox vs USA ---- 53,7 Tox vs GLA ---- 50 Tox vs Demo 45 Tox vs Air 50 Tox vs Laser 50 Tox vs vUSA 50 Tox vs Tox 50 Tox vs Stealth 50 Tox vs vGLA 55 Tox vs Nuke 60 Tox vs SW 65 Tox vs Inf 75 Tox vs Tank 80 Tox vs vChina 90 --- Demo (60%) Demo vs China -- 75 Demo vs GLA ---- 55 Demo vs USA ---- 50 Demo vs Air 40 Demo vs Laser 50 Demo vs vUSA 50 Demo vs Demo 50 Demo vs Stealth 55 Demo vs Tox 55 Demo vs SW 60 Demo vs vGLA 60 Demo vs Inf 65 Demo vs Nuke 65 Demo vs Tank 80 Demo vs vChina 90 --- Laser (56,6%) Laser vs China -- 77,5 Laser vs GLA ---- 51,2 Laser vs USA ---- 41,2 Laser vs Air 10 Laser vs Laser 50 Laser vs vUSA 50 Laser vs Tox 50 Laser vs Stealth 50 Laser vs Demo 50 Laser vs vGLA 55 Laser vs SW 55 Laser vs Inf 60 Laser vs Tank 75 Laser vs vChina 85 Laser vs Nuke 90 --- vGLA (55,4%) vGLA vs China -- 70 vGLA vs USA ---- 50 vGLA vs GLA ---- 46,2 vGLA vs Demo 40 vGLA vs Laser 45 vGLA vs Tox 45 vGLA vs Air 45 vGLA vs vUSA 50 vGLA vs Stealth 50 vGLA vs vGLA 50 vGLA vs Nuke 60 vGLA vs SW 60 vGLA vs Inf 60 vGLA vs Tank 70 vGLA vs vChina 90 --- Stealth (55%) Stealth vs China -- 63,7 Stealth vs USA ---- 52,5 Stealth vs GLA ---- 48,7 Stealth vs Demo 45 Stealth vs Tox 50 Stealth vs Laser 50 Stealth vs vUSA 50 Stealth vs Nuke 50 Stealth vs Stealth 50 Stealth vs Air 50 Stealth vs vGLA 50 Stealth vs Tank 50 Stealth vs SW 60 Stealth vs Inf 65 Stealth vs vChina 90 --- vUSA (55%) vUSA vs China -- 75 vUSA vs GLA ---- 50 vUSA vs USA ---- 40 vUSA vs Air 10 vUSA vs Inf 50 vUSA vs SW 50 vUSA vs Laser 50 vUSA vs vUSA 50 vUSA vs Tox 50 vUSA vs Stealth 50 vUSA vs Demo 50 vUSA vs vGLA 50 vUSA vs Tank 75 vUSA vs vChina 85 vUSA vs Nuke 90 --- Inf. (50,8%) Inf vs China -- 72,5 Inf vs USA ---- 46,2 Inf vs GLA ---- 33,7 Inf vs Tox 25 Inf vs Stealth 35 Inf vs Demo 35 Inf vs vGLA 40 Inf vs Air 40 Inf vs Laser 40 Inf vs Inf 50 Inf vs vUSA 50 Inf vs SW 55 Inf vs vChina 60 Inf vs Tank 90 Inf vs Nuke 90 --- SW(45%) SW vs China -- 58,7 SW vs GLA ---- 38,7 SW vs USA ---- 37,5 SW vs Air 5 SW vs Tox 35 SW vs vGLA 40 SW vs Demo 40 SW vs Stealth 40 SW vs Inf 45 SW vs Laser 45 SW vs vChina 45 SW vs SW 50 SW vs vUSA 50 SW vs Tank 60 SW vs Nuke 85 --- Nuke (33,3%) Nuke vs China -- 48,7 Nuke vs GLA ---- 41,2 Nuke vs USA --- 10 Nuke vs Air 5 Nuke vs Laser 10 Nuke vs Inf 10 Nuke vs vUSA 10 Nuke vs SW 15 Nuke vs Demo 35 Nuke vs Tox 40 Nuke vs vGLA 40 Nuke vs Nuke 50 Nuke vs Stealth 50 Nuke vs Tank 65 Nuke vs vChina 70 --- Tank (32,5%) Tank vs China ----- 38,7 Tank vs GLA ------- 30 Tank vs USA ------- 28,7 Tank vs Inf 10 Tank vs Tox 20 Tank vs Demo 20 Tank vs vUSA 25 Tank vs Laser 25 Tank vs Air 25 Tank vs vGLA 30 Tank vs Nuke 35 Tank vs SW 40 Tank vs Stealth 50 Tank vs Tank 50 Tank vs vChina 60 --- vChina (24,6%) vChina vs China ---- 40 vChina vs USA ------ 23,7 vChina vs GLA ------ 10 vChina vs Air 10 vChina vs Tox 10 vChina vs Stealth 10 vChina vs Demo 10 vChina vs vGLA 10 vChina vs Laser 15 vChina vs vUSA 15 vChina vs Nuke 30 vChina vs Tank 40 vChina vs Inf 40 vChina vs vChina 50 vChina vs SW 55 ================== =====================
This post has been edited by ZaRz: Jun 30 2015, 18:10 PM
couldn't agree more with inf's placement here. however...
QUOTE(ZaRz @ Jun 30 2015, 20:36 PM)
Best army against China, %Winrate Air vs China ------- 80 Laser vs China---- 77,5 Tox vs China ------ 76,2 vUSA vs China ---- 75 Demo vs China --- 75 Inf vs China ------- 72,5 vGLA vs China ---- 70 Stealth vs China -- 63,7 SW vs China ------ 58,7 Nuke vs China ---- 48,7 vChina vs China -- 40 Tank vs China ---- 38,7
...inf's placement here is straight up wrong. while inf has an edge against chinav, it's definitely not in top half of those armies that have highest win% against chinav, especially with random balance on.
Fabbo go find a top player. Clone him, have him play 100 games x 144 match ups against himself in the same conditions with the same spec PC on the same day and then present the data back here. Then we can have accurate data
cant install new repinfo. all i knew is it was possible to see matchups in random games. If its also possible to filter for matchup, data could be added from replay packs of good players and search interesting matchups like demo vs tox or nuke vs gla. i assume there is no way to see who won without watching replay? in old times players quitted often when they won, on Revora always who quit first lost because of ladder so it might be better to use new data if its possible to filter matchup and see who quit first without watching.
cant install new repinfo. all i knew is it was possible to see matchups in random games. If its also possible to filter for matchup, data could be added from replay packs of good players and search interesting matchups like demo vs tox or nuke vs gla. i assume there is no way to see who won without watching replay? in old times players quitted often when they won, on Revora always who quit first lost because of ladder so it might be better to use new data if its possible to filter matchup and see who quit first without watching.
Are you asking others to do it or will you do it yourself?
Are you asking others to do it or will you do it yourself?
i wanna know if it possible. Balance table is nice, also Dominator adjusted some percentages due to responses which is good. However i dont like statistics which is based on no real Games played. Cant say This is 90% right. Wouldnt be suprised if tox - glaV is 62-38 or something.
i wanna know if it possible. Balance table is nice, also Dominator adjusted some percentages due to responses which is good. However i dont like statistics which is based on no real Games played. Cant say This is 90% right. Wouldnt be suprised if tox - glaV is 62-38 or something.
gla has cheaper units and stealth tunnels.
if you know anything about this game, you would know that gla can easily make 2x as many buggies later game, snipe tunnels, map control and gg.
therefore tox vs gla being 55-45 is almost exact IMO
Most Games are decided early/mid game when buggies dont take part, tox tunnels strong and scorps own vs infantry. Also toxin ambush, gamma busses etc.. In late game
jokes aside, without human factor tox is immensely more powerful than glav. tox has stronger scorps, stronger tunnels, stronger rpg's which leads to stronger busses, stronger sw (1shotting glav scuds, which glav can't do), superior ambush, absolutely superior ability to fight amongst garrisoned buildings, and to top it all off, the upgrade that is borderline cheating, anthrax gamma.
you don't make up all of tox's superiority with slightly cheaper buggies and stealth tunnels that cost 1,3k. an rpg comparison on how i see gla factions:
tox - strength/warrior class. unmatched frontal assault / offensive ability. stealth - dexterity/dps class. hard to win face-to-face fights, relies on stealth tunnels and pops. demo - intelligence/caster class. demolitions ability with bikes/ambush equal powerful spells.
i wanna know if it possible. Balance table is nice, also Dominator adjusted some percentages due to responses which is good. However i dont like statistics which is based on no real Games played. Cant say This is 90% right. Wouldnt be suprised if tox - glaV is 62-38 or something.
You will have to do it yourself. I don't think anyone else needs the data.
Btw pretty sure tox scud can't one shot a glaV scud. Might be wrong but I think that's incorrect.
Firing a tox scud on another scud will leave the opponent scud with very low hp. The tox cloud on the ground then deals the damage that is needed to kill the other scud leaving a hole.
- Best and worst army.
- Best and worst faction.
- Best and worst USA, China, GLA.
And there are many different and interesting statistics.
----
This table is based on:
Version of game: 1.04
Map: TD NO CARS
Both players super pros
No major mistakes in game
Random balance is ON
=====================
==================
Best Army
Army ----- %WinRate
1. Air -------- 71,6
2. Tox ------- 60
3. Demo ---- 60
4. Laser ----- 56,6
5. vGLA ----- 55,4
6. Stealth --- 55
7. vUSA ----- 55
8. Inf. ------- 50,8
9. SW ------- 45
10. Nuke ---- 33,3
11. Tank ---- 32,5
12. vChina -- 24,6
===============
Best Faction
GLA (57,6%)
Tox ------ 60
Demo --- 60
vGLA ---- 55,4
Stealth -- 55
USA (57%)
Air ------- 71,6
Laser ---- 56,6
vUSA ---- 55
SW ------ 45
China (35,3%)
Inf. ------ 50,8
Nuke ---- 33,3
Tank ---- 32,5
vChina -- 24,6
===================
USA vs China (72,8%)
Air vs China ------ 80
Laser vs China --- 77,5
vUSA vs China ---- 75
SW vs China ------ 58,7
---
GLA vs China (71,3%)
Tox vs China ----- 76,2
Demo vs China --- 75
vGLA vs China ---- 70
Stealth vs China -- 63,7
---
GLA vs USA (51,5%)
Tox vs USA -------- 53,7
Stealth vs USA ---- 52,5
Demo vs USA ------ 50
vGLA vs USA ------- 50
---
USA vs USA (50%)
Air vs USA -------- 81,2
Laser vs USA ----- 41,2
vUSA vs USA ------ 40
SW vs USA -------- 37,5
---
China vs China (50%)
Inf vs China ------ 72,5
Nuke vs China ---- 48,7
vChina vs China -- 40
Tank vs China ---- 38,7
---
GLA vs GLA (50%)
Demo vs GLA ------ 55
Tox vs GLA -------- 50
Stealth vs GLA ---- 48,7
vGLA vs GLA ------ 46,2
---
USA vs GLA (48,5%)
Air vs GLA -------- 53,7
Laser vs GLA ----- 51,2
vUSA vs GLA ----- 50
SW vs GLA -------- 38,7
---
China vs GLA (28,7%)
Nuke vs GLA ------ 41,2
Inf vs GLA -------- 33,7
Tank vs GLA ------ 30
vChina vs GLA ---- 10
---
China vs USA (27,2%)
Inf vs USA -------- 46,2
Tank vs USA ----- 28,7
vChina vs USA --- 23,7
Nuke vs USA ----- 10
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Best army against USA, %Winrate
Air vs USA ------- 81,2
Tox vs USA ------ 53,7
Stealth vs USA -- 52,5
Demo vs USA --- 50
vGLA vs USA ---- 50
Inf vs USA ------ 46,2
Laser vs USA --- 41,2
vUSA vs USA --- 40
SW vs USA ----- 37,5
Tank vs USA --- 28,7
vChina vs USA -- 23,7
Nuke vs USA --- 10
---
Best army against China, %Winrate
Air vs China ------- 80
Laser vs China---- 77,5
Tox vs China ------ 76,2
vUSA vs China ---- 75
Demo vs China --- 75
Inf vs China ------- 72,5
vGLA vs China ---- 70
Stealth vs China -- 63,7
SW vs China ------ 58,7
Nuke vs China ---- 48,7
vChina vs China -- 40
Tank vs China ---- 38,7
---
Best army against GLA, %Winrate
Demo vs GLA ---- 55
Air vs GLA ------- 53,7
Laser vs GLA ---- 51,2
Tox vs GLA ------ 50
vUSA vs GLA ---- 50
Stealth vs GLA -- 48,7
vGLA vs GLA ---- 46,2
Nuke vs GLA ---- 41,2
SW vs GLA ------ 38,7
Inf vs GLA ------- 33,7
Tank vs GLA ----- 30
vChina vs GLA --- 10
===================
Matchup %WinRate
Air (71,6%)
Air vs USA ---- 81,2
Air vs China -- 80
Air vs GLA ---- 53,7
Air vs Stealth 50
Air vs Air 50
Air vs Tox 50
Air vs vGLA 55
Air vs Demo 60
Air vs Inf 60
Air vs Tank 75
Air vs vChina 90
Air vs Laser 90
Air vs vUSA 90
Air vs Nuke 95
Air vs SW 95
---
Tox (60%)
Tox vs China -- 76,2
Tox vs USA ---- 53,7
Tox vs GLA ---- 50
Tox vs Demo 45
Tox vs Air 50
Tox vs Laser 50
Tox vs vUSA 50
Tox vs Tox 50
Tox vs Stealth 50
Tox vs vGLA 55
Tox vs Nuke 60
Tox vs SW 65
Tox vs Inf 75
Tox vs Tank 80
Tox vs vChina 90
---
Demo (60%)
Demo vs China -- 75
Demo vs GLA ---- 55
Demo vs USA ---- 50
Demo vs Air 40
Demo vs Laser 50
Demo vs vUSA 50
Demo vs Demo 50
Demo vs Stealth 55
Demo vs Tox 55
Demo vs SW 60
Demo vs vGLA 60
Demo vs Inf 65
Demo vs Nuke 65
Demo vs Tank 80
Demo vs vChina 90
---
Laser (56,6%)
Laser vs China -- 77,5
Laser vs GLA ---- 51,2
Laser vs USA ---- 41,2
Laser vs Air 10
Laser vs Laser 50
Laser vs vUSA 50
Laser vs Tox 50
Laser vs Stealth 50
Laser vs Demo 50
Laser vs vGLA 55
Laser vs SW 55
Laser vs Inf 60
Laser vs Tank 75
Laser vs vChina 85
Laser vs Nuke 90
---
vGLA (55,4%)
vGLA vs China -- 70
vGLA vs USA ---- 50
vGLA vs GLA ---- 46,2
vGLA vs Demo 40
vGLA vs Laser 45
vGLA vs Tox 45
vGLA vs Air 45
vGLA vs vUSA 50
vGLA vs Stealth 50
vGLA vs vGLA 50
vGLA vs Nuke 60
vGLA vs SW 60
vGLA vs Inf 60
vGLA vs Tank 70
vGLA vs vChina 90
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Stealth (55%)
Stealth vs China -- 63,7
Stealth vs USA ---- 52,5
Stealth vs GLA ---- 48,7
Stealth vs Demo 45
Stealth vs Tox 50
Stealth vs Laser 50
Stealth vs vUSA 50
Stealth vs Nuke 50
Stealth vs Stealth 50
Stealth vs Air 50
Stealth vs vGLA 50
Stealth vs Tank 50
Stealth vs SW 60
Stealth vs Inf 65
Stealth vs vChina 90
---
vUSA (55%)
vUSA vs China -- 75
vUSA vs GLA ---- 50
vUSA vs USA ---- 40
vUSA vs Air 10
vUSA vs Inf 50
vUSA vs SW 50
vUSA vs Laser 50
vUSA vs vUSA 50
vUSA vs Tox 50
vUSA vs Stealth 50
vUSA vs Demo 50
vUSA vs vGLA 50
vUSA vs Tank 75
vUSA vs vChina 85
vUSA vs Nuke 90
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Inf. (50,8%)
Inf vs China -- 72,5
Inf vs USA ---- 46,2
Inf vs GLA ---- 33,7
Inf vs Tox 25
Inf vs Stealth 35
Inf vs Demo 35
Inf vs vGLA 40
Inf vs Air 40
Inf vs Laser 40
Inf vs Inf 50
Inf vs vUSA 50
Inf vs SW 55
Inf vs vChina 60
Inf vs Tank 90
Inf vs Nuke 90
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SW(45%)
SW vs China -- 58,7
SW vs GLA ---- 38,7
SW vs USA ---- 37,5
SW vs Air 5
SW vs Tox 35
SW vs vGLA 40
SW vs Demo 40
SW vs Stealth 40
SW vs Inf 45
SW vs Laser 45
SW vs vChina 45
SW vs SW 50
SW vs vUSA 50
SW vs Tank 60
SW vs Nuke 85
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Nuke (33,3%)
Nuke vs China -- 48,7
Nuke vs GLA ---- 41,2
Nuke vs USA --- 10
Nuke vs Air 5
Nuke vs Laser 10
Nuke vs Inf 10
Nuke vs vUSA 10
Nuke vs SW 15
Nuke vs Demo 35
Nuke vs Tox 40
Nuke vs vGLA 40
Nuke vs Nuke 50
Nuke vs Stealth 50
Nuke vs Tank 65
Nuke vs vChina 70
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Tank (32,5%)
Tank vs China ----- 38,7
Tank vs GLA ------- 30
Tank vs USA ------- 28,7
Tank vs Inf 10
Tank vs Tox 20
Tank vs Demo 20
Tank vs vUSA 25
Tank vs Laser 25
Tank vs Air 25
Tank vs vGLA 30
Tank vs Nuke 35
Tank vs SW 40
Tank vs Stealth 50
Tank vs Tank 50
Tank vs vChina 60
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vChina (24,6%)
vChina vs China ---- 40
vChina vs USA ------ 23,7
vChina vs GLA ------ 10
vChina vs Air 10
vChina vs Tox 10
vChina vs Stealth 10
vChina vs Demo 10
vChina vs vGLA 10
vChina vs Laser 15
vChina vs vUSA 15
vChina vs Nuke 30
vChina vs Tank 40
vChina vs Inf 40
vChina vs vChina 50
vChina vs SW 55
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This post has been edited by ZaRz: Jun 30 2015, 18:10 PM
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