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[VOTE AGAIN] Random Revealed - 2nd Poll

Would you like to see random revealed removed (go back to EA default)?
48.00% (12)
Yes.
52.00% (13)
No.

Total Votes: 25
  
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# 1Excelsior Mar 21 2016, 10:04 AM
Owing to the recent petition to publish another poll concerning revealed random, I have decided to do just that. Please vote and post your thoughts below.

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# 2bushit Mar 21 2016, 10:09 AM
need a neutral option too

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# 3Excelsior Mar 21 2016, 10:11 AM
QUOTE(IceVice @ Mar 21 2016, 10:09 AM) *

need a neutral option too

Why? You are either for the suggestion or against it. If you're neutral about it, null your vote. Unless I'm missing the point?

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# 4bushit Mar 21 2016, 10:12 AM
are null votes recorded somewhere?

it just nice to see where the community stands, all options included

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# 5Excelsior Mar 21 2016, 10:16 AM
QUOTE(IceVice @ Mar 21 2016, 10:12 AM) *

are null votes recorded somewhere?

I don't think so, but if a person is neutral about something he shouldn't vote at all. His opinion wouldn't matter because it's neither relevant to the poll nor indicative of where he wants to see this game go in terms of this matter. Again, in this case, there's pretty much only two avenues here - you either want random revealed or you don't.

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# 6_GooNer_ Mar 21 2016, 10:18 AM
Im with ex its either yes no or dont vote. If it came to the end and both yes and no had the same votes because alot say im not bothered then poll is a waste of time.

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# 7Mako Mar 21 2016, 10:51 AM
I voted no

no revealed faction -> more random -> more unbalanced start of games. IMO

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# 8Excelsior Mar 21 2016, 10:54 AM
One good thing about random revealed is the fact that you can pick a faction without feeling like you're losing out. Apart from that, I think no random revealed has a better appeal in that it's an EA default feature, and it encourages the use of more elaborate tactics and strategies. Spells like Farsight and Vision of the Palantir become very useful.

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# 9TheRingisHot Mar 21 2016, 11:03 AM
QUOTE(Excelsior @ Mar 21 2016, 10:16 AM) *

If a person is neutral about something he shouldn't vote at all.


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# 10bushit Mar 21 2016, 11:10 AM
Ofc being neutral doesn't matter, but I like seeing what people think.

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# 11_GooNer_ Mar 21 2016, 11:21 AM
QUOTE(Mako @ Mar 21 2016, 10:51 AM) *

I voted no

no revealed faction -> more random -> more unbalanced start of games. IMO

Can i ask why is it more unbalnced ??? When its not revealed. Its more unbalnced when you know they have dwavers??? More random ????? Everyone i play goes random normally. Some factions strats suffer some dont.

Elves vs dwarves
No revealed
dwarves wc
elves farsight
advantage dwarves

Revealed
elves wc scouts for forward mines - then goes out posts looking for mines
dwarves wc
advantage elves not using farsight, disadvantage dwarves no surprise element.
Double edged sword 😕

Motw vs angmar
Non-revealed
motw cav
angmar easy quick pikes
advantage angmar
Revealed
motw wont cav 1st
angmar wont pike just spam orcs
advantage motw compared to going cav.????

HARD CHOICE BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT DWAVES SUFFER TOO MUCH EARLY GAME WELL IF IM PLAYING THEM ANYWAYS.

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# 12Excelsior Mar 21 2016, 11:27 AM
Spoiler: Gooner's Post
QUOTE(_GooNer_ @ Mar 21 2016, 11:21 AM) *

Can i ask why is it more unbalnced ??? When its not revealed. Its more unbalnced when you know they have dwavers??? More random ????? Everyone i play goes random normally. Some factions strats suffer some dont.

Elves vs dwarves
No revealed
dwarves wc
elves farsight
advantage dwarves

Revealed
elves wc scouts for forward mines - then goes out posts looking for mines
dwarves wc
advantage elves not using farsight, disadvantage dwarves no surprise element.
Double edged sword ��

Motw vs angmar
Non-revealed
motw cav
angmar easy quick pikes
advantage angmar
Revealed
motw wont cav 1st
angmar wont pike just spam orcs
advantage motw compared to going cav.????

HARD CHOICE BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT DWAVES SUFFER TOO MUCH EARLY GAME WELL IF IM PLAYING THEM ANYWAYS.

You make a good point here. I tend to believe that removing the element of surprise kills off many gameplay strategies which in turn leads to a more tedious game, if that's the right way to say it. [I can't emphasise this enough]


If random revealed is removed, does that mean we should remove the extra vision ability the Dwarven Builder has in place for the upcoming patch?

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# 13_GooNer_ Mar 21 2016, 11:35 AM
QUOTE(Excelsior @ Mar 21 2016, 11:27 AM) *

[Spoilert=Gooner's Post][/spoilert]
You make a good point here. I tend to believe that removing the element of surprise kills off many gameplay strategies which in turn leads to a more tedious game, if that's the right way to say it. [I can't emphasise this enough]


If random revealed is removed, does that mean we should remove the extra vision ability the Dwarven Builder has in place for the upcoming patch?

If voted out i would say yes that should be reverted too.you as Dwarves can see there builder but they cant see yours if not in range would be unfair.

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# 14bushit Mar 21 2016, 11:36 AM
All you gotta do is read Mauhur's article on revealed random, he addresses every issue you can possibly bring up.

Only reason dwarf may have a harder time using standard forward hidden mine is cuz every builder has super good vision. So essentially every army has 2 really good scouting units. Next patch only dwarf builder will have such good vision.

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# 15_GooNer_ Mar 21 2016, 11:38 AM
Link?

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# 16Mako Mar 21 2016, 11:42 AM
QUOTE(_GooNer_ @ Mar 21 2016, 11:21 AM) *

Can i ask why is it more unbalnced ??? When its not revealed. Its more unbalnced when you know they have dwavers??? More random ????? Everyone i play goes random normally. Some factions strats suffer some dont.

Elves vs dwarves
No revealed
dwarves wc
elves farsight
advantage dwarves

Revealed
elves wc scouts for forward mines - then goes out posts looking for mines
dwarves wc
advantage elves not using farsight, disadvantage dwarves no surprise element.
Double edged sword 😕

Motw vs angmar
Non-revealed
motw cav
angmar easy quick pikes
advantage angmar
Revealed
motw wont cav 1st
angmar wont pike just spam orcs
advantage motw compared to going cav.????

HARD CHOICE BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT DWAVES SUFFER TOO MUCH EARLY GAME WELL IF IM PLAYING THEM ANYWAYS.



Mauhur's voice

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# 17bushit Mar 21 2016, 11:42 AM
Added article link.

BTW please add article link to original post, people should do some investigating and research before deciding. Some have and their vote is fine, whatever it is, as long as they are informed. But some probably haven't thought of the matter to the extent it should be.

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# 18TheRingisHot Mar 21 2016, 11:44 AM
QUOTE(_GooNer_ @ Mar 21 2016, 11:21 AM) *

Can i ask why is it more unbalnced ??? When its not revealed. Its more unbalnced when you know they have dwavers???


Those sentences are contradictory.

as an example lets take dwarves vs elves. They both do not know their opponents faction. elf thinks might be nice to scout, takes palantir - gg. In another scenario, elf takes rally call, but starts cav for surprise effect - gg. In yet another scenario, dw tries to sneak builder in (we would have to reduce vision range to blindness level again for obvious reasons), elf randomly spots and kills him easily, which would again make a huge difference. frustrating

also revealed random allows for more reliable strategies/ starts and encourages longer games, while in my opinon, it does not harm the surprise effect of alternative gameplay(cav start, etc..)

there are more reasons, but im lazy right now. yes i am

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# 19Muadd Mar 21 2016, 11:46 AM
Mauhurs post is one sided. Its not very good tbh

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# 20bushit Mar 21 2016, 11:47 AM
QUOTE(Muadd @ Mar 21 2016, 06:46 AM) *

Mauhurs post is one sided. Its not very good tbh

ofc it one sided, it is his perspective on it, not meant to be a neutral all opinion article. I think his view is based on strong logic and is very enjoyable to read.

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