Yeah but your forgetting that all those things you list also counter marders. Bent tried marders its just doesnt work if the usa player plays correctly.
Well, AT guns with or without APR and elite infantry are the only reliable counter to Marders and you definitly need 2 AT guns, if you want to counter 2 Marders safely. M8s can't hurt Marders, if he has 2 of them. When I watched this game I just observed a lack of AT weaponry on his side. He had a tremendous amount of PGs in the field, way too many. In the end it was just great fodder for Callis and if you had bothered to buy a sniper earlier or a Sherman they would have been decimated earlier. Even upgrading shrecks would have helped him to some extent, but you can't convince me, that Marders is a bad choice at any point. They are the most deadly AT in this patch version (after beta comes live, we'll have to discuss that again). They are definitly more deadly than Panthers (and cheaper too).
This post has been edited by CharlesDarwin: Mar 17 2009, 16:20 PM
Yeah but your forgetting that all those things you list also counter marders. Bent tried marders its just doesnt work if the usa player plays correctly.
Well, AT guns with or without APR and elite infantry are the only reliable counter to Marders and you definitly need 2 AT guns, if you want to counter 2 Marders safely. M8s can't hurt Marders, if he has 2 of them. When I watched this game I just observed a lack of AT weaponry on his side. He had a tremendous amount of PGs in the field, way too many. In the end it was just great fodder for Callis and if you had bothered to buy a sniper earlier or a Sherman they would have been decimated earlier. Even upgrading shrecks would have helped him to some extent, but you can't convince me, that Marders is a bad choice at any point. They are the most deadly AT in this patch version (after beta comes live, we'll have to discuss that again). They are definitly more deadly than Panthers (and cheaper too).
i have to disagree. the marder sed to be the most deadly at weapon but since its nerfs it is a very vulnerable weapon.(an actual glass cannon opposed to the firefly) there are many counters to marders. marders might have helped before the calliopees as they did when i played bentguru but after that no marders would have been a terrible call
I remember a game on WT, where my opponent has 2 callis, that raped my infantry, but I built 2 Marders and rushed up to his entrance to the map, where both callis were located and site-gunned both Marders and double shotted both callis (so total of 4 shots per calli). It was GG right there. At this point I was equal about losing them. Even if I had only killed one of the callis it would still have been a good attack, as the calli would have lost its Vet. Marders are so OP, there is barely anything you can call a counter to them as soon as there are 2 in the field, except you rush them with elite infantry or have a decent amount of AT guns available, which are so easy to clear with a couple of MP44 dudes, while the Marders rush in to kill the Callis off. It would have been easy to do.
This post has been edited by CharlesDarwin: Mar 18 2009, 12:45 PM
Yeah but your forgetting that all those things you list also counter marders. Bent tried marders its just doesnt work if the usa player plays correctly.
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Well, AT guns with or without APR and elite infantry are the only reliable counter to Marders and you definitly need 2 AT guns, if you want to counter 2 Marders safely. M8s can't hurt Marders, if he has 2 of them. When I watched this game I just observed a lack of AT weaponry on his side. He had a tremendous amount of PGs in the field, way too many. In the end it was just great fodder for Callis and if you had bothered to buy a sniper earlier or a Sherman they would have been decimated earlier. Even upgrading shrecks would have helped him to some extent, but you can't convince me, that Marders is a bad choice at any point. They are the most deadly AT in this patch version (after beta comes live, we'll have to discuss that again). They are definitly more deadly than Panthers (and cheaper too).