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Still losing but getting better against PE-help me

#1DaUrvi  Mar 22 2020, 10:48 AM -
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Guys can someone look at the replay and tell me what I'm doing poorly? Thank you sad.gif I'm just losing all the time against PE, even tho I deny fuel, get a lot of kills on snipers, destroy much of his light vehicles, still losing, heeelp biggrin.gif
#2IKA {GEO}  Mar 22 2020, 11:29 AM -
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watch steams or download repays of US PE matchups. check my replays. simply. leveltake.freestyler. wink.gif
#3DaUrvi  Mar 22 2020, 11:35 AM -
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QUOTE(IKA {GEO} @ Today, 11:29 AM)
watch steams or download repays of US PE matchups. check my replays. simply. leveltake.freestyler. wink.gif


Man I am doing this, I literally followed a strategy that I saw on a replay before. The thing is that I never saw a replay where a person would play the same way as this guy.
#4IKA {GEO}  Mar 22 2020, 11:59 AM -
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i cant wqtch replay. tip i can hive. dont fight early game. get flamer first then go in. focus on cap/decap points. 4rax 3flamer t3 . or jeep 3 rax 3 flamer t3.
#5DaUrvi  Mar 22 2020, 12:06 PM -
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QUOTE(IKA {GEO} @ Today, 11:59 AM)
i cant wqtch replay. tip i can hive. dont fight early game. get flamer first then go in. focus on cap/decap points. 4rax 3flamer t3 . or jeep 3 rax 3 flamer t3.


Ye thats basically what I do every game and still lose xD
#6Leveltake  Mar 22 2020, 19:44 PM -
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Hey,
I watched your replay and its pretty easy to spot why you lost that game.

you dominated it (mapwise, teching, time and composition) until 11:53 where you lost your first m8. m8 is a huge investment not only res (100mp +240+ 280 =620!) but also it gives the pe time to get his compostion right while you will lag behind.
at 13:59 you lose 2nd m8 and its pretty much over (potential comeback at 23:39 when you killed 3 of his units).
after 13:59 ,with mentioned exeption, you lose pretty much every battle in terms of manpower + he has a large part of the map.

ofc you can still win with good micro but vs P4+ac+morter+vetted inf ( you have 1 vet on 1 rifle ) its an uphill battle and its totaly normal that you struggle.
I keyfactor is that the only unit that dishes out mp damage to him are your snipers which are on 1 spot while he has a highly mobile army ( ac which he useses well to move from side to side ) and vetted pgs which just kill your inf and you have to protect the sniper anyway so he will allways have mapadvantage and with that information ( where your units are your tech , mines etc). callies are good vs pe imo but too late i think.
in your situation i would probably try to go for a quad which sometimes allows to push up and not having to retreat all if you have to reatreat single units. but im not sure what the best is in that situation.

so you lost the game when you lost the 2 m8s. you lost them to 2 teller mines which is very bad. 1 is bad but after that you really should not lose another one so fast to it ( minesweeper?)

my tipp: if you dont see early kettencloak play safer and expect mines. also check the ketten for his doctrine ( you see it on the ketten which doc he picked if he did so).

other than that i liked alot of your unit positioning and attacking. gl
#7Gollum2000  Mar 22 2020, 19:52 PM -
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Watched ur replay and wrote some quick comments about ur gameplay, maybe they can be of use.

4:40 why engage w the rifles? Should wait for that flamer
8:00 U rebuild engie, i think at this point make a mine or two to maybe get the ac, as u have great map would be better choise than make third flamer.. your inf is stronger than his at this point.
8:20 here you make a 4th rifleman even if u have huge fuel advantage... you delay motorpool at least one miniute and with your fuel control so far u could have gotten ur m8 alot sooner
After u got heal and stickies, u get motorpool and still have over 100 fuel... think tank depot and not stickies/heal could be better choise at this point. But this is preference
You now see he have teller mines.. i think rebuild m8 is mistake.. His doctrine has no counter for pak exept mortar, so make pak, dig in with mines and get sniper asap would be much better choise.
Opponent has 6 grens.. that is gonna slay his mp if u get 2x active snipers
14:30 I would maybe disagree with the calli doctrine choise as well, strafe or pershing maybe better.. finally u make first pak qt 15 minutes... also no supply upgrade
16:30 bad engagement..many grens in cover and u charge in. Put flamer under rifle so that he dont get focused.
19 min u make sniper.. good choise but i think at this point u are gonna need perfect play to comeback here
2230 push: i would say bad idea to push as u lose so much mp in this and dont cap at all.. better to pak/sniper creep him, u got the mortar that is good but u didnt cap any map at all and lost more mp than the mortar is worth.
24 min: Snipers and paks need support or they will be flanked or run down and killed.
Dont push and then retreat w all ur rifles.. even if the sn survived they had to retreat and could die.. also see that u didnt build any mines. I see so many times in this game that u have to do full retreats.. that is how he suddenly control all map and have tellers all over..

I quit watching after u lost ur pak and got slayed by the p4. I think this game is lost at this point. Maybe u could come back, but you played from behind since 15 minutes, and dont think u can recover from this.
#8DaUrvi  Mar 22 2020, 20:12 PM -
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Thank you very much guys for your help, yeah M8 micro is my weakness, I find it so frustrating to play against PE, especially late game, when he just has ton of vehicles to counter everything and even if you make AT guns, the mortars are really cancer biggrin.gif.
#9DaUrvi  Mar 23 2020, 09:11 AM -
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I just have one more question, is it good against PE to go for fast tank depot when I am floating fuel from the start? I find the PE light AT halftrack quite annoying s o I dont usually go for it but I think it could be good if I could do like 2 hellcats and then pop allied warmachine, idk tho you tell me xD
#10IKA {GEO}  Mar 23 2020, 11:26 AM -
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QUOTE(DaUrvi @ Today, 09:11 AM)
I just have one more question, is it good against PE to go for fast tank depot when I am floating fuel from the start? I find the PE light AT halftrack quite annoying s o I dont usually go for it but I think it could be good if I could do like 2 hellcats and then pop allied warmachine, idk tho you tell me xD


its great idea but Tank destroyer doc counters helcats very easy. 1 teller can kill.both tanks. so if pe is SE or Lufftwafe its great idea. but better with advanced repier not allied war machine
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