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PE vs US Semois

#1regnar1194  Oct 26 2017, 22:12 PM -
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Grenades and my poor reaction to them killed me here. I have a tough time on Semois, not a great map for me. More Luck please take a look and tell me what you think smile.gif
#2MoreLuckPlease  Oct 27 2017, 17:32 PM -
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roger that, feedback is on the way! biggrin.gif
#3MoreLuckPlease  Oct 27 2017, 18:19 PM -
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watched wink.gif

i must praise you for 2 things: perfect teller mine vs m8 and immediately destroying paks (my point of criticism, previous replays)! biggrin.gif
(small mistake u didnt finish 1 pak in the middle game, same pak almost destroyed your panther)

i didnt see which upgrades u made, but i would always recommend following 3:

1) t1 > "4th man in squad upgrade", i personally even do it in early game when i struggle vs. strong opponent with bars or in late game vs vetted rifles, it gives you ability to fight longer thus get veterancy faster and sometimes not to lose units on retreat

2) get fast repairs for tanks in late game - it costs time and is matter of time, to retreat own tanks faster or finish enemy's tanks in some situations, but you cant, because your tanks have damaged engine for example and you need all of your squads to repair...

3) t2 > fast capping ability - in late game ket often cant come through, because enemy is everywhere, especially if the game becomes VP run, you need fast capping units, often u are almost done to cap some 10+/16+ point, but 2-3seconds before that some rifle squad fu.cks you, very disappointing, to cancel capping^^

Now 3 things u did not good or you should not do at all:
1) No mortar - always get mortar vs. pak spam and ALWAYS HIDE behind buildings or hedges to avoid nasty pak shots wink.gif

2) dont run into vetted rifles, escpecially if you know he has nades, i think it partially cost u the game, u lost to many grenadiers, what you did: u run with vet2 assault into 2x vet2 rifles in green cover, dont do this! Moving units get more damage (in this case you) even with veterancy and then your opponent has jsut thrown a nade in front of his feet, while u moved to him, so u got straight into nade and had to retreat. Never try to get close to vetted units, if they are in cover. Yes, it needs more patience, because the fight goes longer, but remember, u get veterancy from safe distance (escpecially G43) wink.gif

3) that was funny btw: 6th minute u didnt pin flamer and lost G43, in 21th minute or so u pinned flamer on retreat, just make the opposite ok biggrin.gif

4) fight panthers vs pershing: DONT STAY in front of pershing trying to get his front armor (but ofc dont get stickied by rifles, in such case stay in front or cancel the fight), at least 1 panther should go from behind and shoot his rear. AND: overrun his engineers, dont look at them how they repair pershing, rofl, ok? biggrin.gif


And nice sniper kill by AC at the end, after 1st u should retreat, u wanted to have it all^^

Last word: all in all was great game, u improved significant. Losing PGs and panthers to pershing cost u the game imho. GG wink.gif
#4Argentinosaurus  Oct 27 2017, 20:26 PM -
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QUOTE(MoreLuckPlease @ Today, 18:19 PM)
watched wink.gif

i must praise you for 2 things: perfect teller mine vs m8 and immediately destroying paks (my point of criticism, previous replays)! biggrin.gif
(small mistake u didnt finish 1 pak in the middle game, same pak almost destroyed your panther)

i didnt see which upgrades u made, but i would always recommend following 3:

1) t1 > "4th man in squad upgrade", i personally even do it in early game when i struggle vs. strong opponent with bars or in late game vs vetted rifles, it gives you ability to fight longer thus get veterancy faster and sometimes not to lose units on retreat

2) get fast repairs for tanks in late game - it costs time and is matter of time, to retreat own tanks faster or finish enemy's tanks in some situations, but you cant, because your tanks have damaged engine for example and you need all of your squads to repair...

3) t2 > fast capping ability - in late game ket often cant come through, because enemy is everywhere, especially if the game becomes VP run, you need fast capping units, often u are almost done to cap some 10+/16+ point, but 2-3seconds before that some rifle squad fu.cks you, very disappointing, to cancel capping^^

Now 3 things u did not good or you should not do at all:
1) No mortar - always get mortar vs. pak spam and ALWAYS HIDE behind buildings or hedges to avoid nasty pak shots wink.gif

2) dont run into vetted rifles, escpecially if you know he has nades, i think it partially cost u the game, u lost to many grenadiers, what you did: u run with vet2 assault into 2x vet2 rifles in green cover, dont do this! Moving units get more damage (in this case you) even with veterancy and then your opponent has jsut thrown a nade in front of his feet, while u moved to him, so u got straight into nade and had to retreat. Never try to get close to vetted units, if they are in cover. Yes, it needs more patience, because the fight goes longer, but remember, u get veterancy from safe distance (escpecially G43) wink.gif

3) that was funny btw: 6th minute u didnt pin flamer and lost G43, in 21th minute or so u pinned flamer on retreat, just make the opposite ok biggrin.gif

4) fight panthers vs pershing: DONT STAY in front of pershing trying to get his front armor (but ofc dont get stickied by rifles, in such case stay in front or cancel the fight), at least 1 panther should go from behind and shoot his rear. AND: overrun his engineers, dont look at them how they repair pershing, rofl, ok? biggrin.gif


And nice sniper kill by AC at the end, after 1st u should retreat, u wanted to have it all^^

Last word: all in all was great game, u improved significant. Losing PGs and panthers to pershing cost u the game imho. GG wink.gif


well explained
#5MoreLuckPlease  Oct 27 2017, 22:37 PM -
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@Argentinosaurus, thx smile.gif
#6regnar1194  Oct 27 2017, 23:33 PM -
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Agree with just about everything. Looked at replay again today.

The instance where the G43 didn't pin the flamer, not sure which instance, but the first time, I did try but he popped into a building, there were a couple of other times and he had multiple flamers. My micro isn't the best, not sure if its me (my old 49 year old fingers), the mechanics of game, or my mouse. I have noticed many times I thought I clicked something and it doesn't happen. The other night for instance I had issued a command for one squad out of a group of three to cap the middle VP on Langres, three different times he started toward the point but then reversed direction to continue going with other squads. Other times I have given Kett or Schwimm qued commands to cap and I look after a minute or so and notice it is standing still and that's not because the point is being capped by opponent.

Completely agree on losing this game because of too many grens being grenaded. When I have the Sturmgewher upgrade I try to get up close and behind them to rape and continue to rape after they retreat. Many opponents will throw the grenade at where the squad was rather than where it is going, In this case he threw it right where I was going and I got raped. Cant remember if I upgraded zeal in this game.

Agree on 4 man squads, an upgrade that I normally go with. I went with AC first and didn't upgrade to 4 till later in the game.

I rarely go with improved repair, I used to go with Luftwaffe Doc more often and and just used Luft troops. I have switched to using Schwimm lately, I love the mining ability of it in TD and SE. The Luftwaffe ability I do not think works all that great. I need to rethink my lack of improved repair.

I enjoyed killing his jeeps. God I enjoy killing American Jeeps, they are the most annoying unit in game. If PE was given a nuclear weapon, I would use it on a jeep. LOL

Was frustrated later in game because I thought I had a good advantage early on, then losing multiple grens hurt, initial AC getting caught by the AT gun sucked as well as the AT-HT.

I was angry at myself that I didn't use a goliath from a vampire, especially after I saw his engi's upgraded with mine sweep. Tried to kill those engi's a few times and failed and they cleared multiple mines which didn't help my cause.

Thanks for pointers, I always listen

Never been a huge fan of AC's on this map, a lot of mineable chokes, lots of green cover and many buildings for rifles to jump into. Oh yeah agree a hundred percent on my failure to build a MT-HT
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#7MoreLuckPlease  Oct 28 2017, 11:04 AM -
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I also confirm this bs with shortcuts, since 1 year i got used to keyboard shortcut to retreat units, but it gave me more troubles than solution, the game responds to shortcuts (imho) less relaiable than to mouse clicks, even though u waste more time to find the retrat button by mouse.

Ahhh thx for reminding about your initial AC, i wanted to say in previous comment - on semois you always should expect mines on those 2 roads, which lead to your base! So, try to send ket first for scouting wink.gif

The point about jeep: absolutely true! LMAO biggrin.gif

Cheerz
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#8regnar1194  Oct 28 2017, 18:31 PM -
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QUOTE(MoreLuckPlease @ Today, 07:04 AM)
I also confirm this bs with shortcuts, since 1 year i got used to keyboard shortcut to retreat units, but it gave me more troubles than solution, the game responds to shortcuts (imho) less relaiable than to mouse clicks, even though u waste more time to find the retrat button by mouse.

Ahhh thx for reminding about your initial AC, i wanted to say in previous comment - on semois you always should expect mines on those 2 roads, which lead to your base! So, try to send ket first for scouting wink.gif

The point about jeep: absolutely true! LMAO biggrin.gif

Cheerz


Yeah notice the keyboard trouble after game came out on STEAM, at times it is a real issue, and PE which is faction I primarily, almost exclusively play is a micro heavy faction. I have also noticed a heavy delay in retreat button lately, not sure if this is server related, game related, my computer related. Raised its ugly head the other night, say my opponent throw a grenade at two squads in cover, hit the T key to retreat, there was a noticeable delay and I took hvy casualties.
#9MoreLuckPlease  Oct 28 2017, 22:01 PM -
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QUOTE(regnar1194 @ Today, 19:31 PM)


Yeah notice the keyboard trouble after game came out on STEAM, at times it is a real issue, and PE which is faction I primarily, almost exclusively play is a micro heavy faction. I have also noticed a heavy delay in retreat button lately, not sure if this is server related, game related, my computer related. Raised its ugly head the other night, say my opponent throw a grenade at two squads in cover, hit the T key to retreat, there was a noticeable delay and I took hvy casualties.


yeah that's what i've experienced in lot of situations too.
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