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A Fun 2v2 Vs BfME2 Players

#1^IceCold  Aug 5 2018, 02:58 AM -
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What's up yall,

This rep is a 2v2 that involves:
Farmer Lau (Mordor)
Bunito (Dwarf)

ShadowSword (Men)
icecold (Mordor)

I would say this game was a fun and interesting match with a whole bunch of UPS and DOWNS, 25 PPs, production of units, and fighting literally to the end. I would like to highlight a couple of things which are also the reasons why this replay is being uploaded.

TEAMWORK

The BfME2 players played together in harmony throughout the different stages of the game and their teamwork caught me off guard, straight up. In other words, I was shocked. I was shocked because I haven't really played vs players that have a strong team dynamic ( I am rarely on during peak hours/my timezone is GMT-7). Overall, the game felt like it was a clan war match at one point from the organized attacks that were thrown at Shadow and I laugh.gif.

If you are a new 2.02 RoTWK player, I would recommend watching this replay for the purpose of observing teamwork. The BfME2 players, Buntito and Farmer Lau had exceptional teamwork (IMO) and I believe taking notes on what they did could/can help the abundance of fresh players within this community.

STAY IN THE GAME

I do not have much to say for this second highlight, however, this replay shows the way/how players in this replay were able to survive harsh attacks throughout the game. I will give one stat from this game: Shadow made 95 structures. Yeah. Once again, if you are a new player, I would give this replay a watch due to the surviving skills that two of the players exemplified. Take em Notes brohams.

Lastly, there are mistakes in this replay made by every player, but it was a FFG(for fun game) on a late night. I would also like to say the BfME2 players played great for a patch and game they do not even play during their free time. Well played dudes.
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#2SeñorEcthelion  Aug 6 2018, 22:40 PM -

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Sorry for my negativness, but...
"due to the surviving skills that two of the players exemplified"
How to don't survive 1 hour with structures so strong biggrin.gif:D

Dwarf player (me) played useless all the game, yet mordor idk how he couldn't kill me. Then, Farmer lau, my mordor boy, played excelent but we had absolutely had no way to develop a single attack that implied the destroy of more than 2 farms and towers.

I was waiting you to upload this replay to ask here, was this a normal game? i feel it was cancerously campy. I thought dwarf dynamics on 2vs2 in 2.02 was excelent, but it felt weak and Gaymrod-the-queen-of-dale dependent. And aparently wagons in lategame are probabbly more useless than in 1.06/1.09.
#3^IceCold  Aug 7 2018, 03:17 AM -
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QUOTE(SeñorEcthelion @ Yesterday, 22:40 PM)
Sorry for my negativness, but...
"due to the surviving skills that two of the players exemplified"
How to don't survive 1 hour with structures so strong biggrin.gif:D

Dwarf player (me) played useless all the game, yet mordor idk how he couldn't kill me. Then, Farmer lau, my mordor boy, played excelent but we had absolutely had no way to develop a single attack that implied the destroy of more than 2 farms and towers.

I was waiting you to upload this replay to ask here, was this a normal game? i feel it was cancerously campy. I thought dwarf dynamics on 2vs2 in 2.02 was excelent, but it felt weak and Gaymrod-the-queen-of-dale dependent. And aparently wagons in lategame are probabbly more useless than in 1.06/1.09.


I will try my best to answer you Ecthelion. I believe you are not seeing the overall subject matter of why I posted this and/or you are not seeing the difference between selling and being truthful?

Low Key, I had a feelin' you were going to respond. Let me indulgence my raisin rum ice cream before I dive into this monstrosity.

TLDR AT THE BOTTOM for you bottom feeders (spongebob) who desire to know my overall point of uploading this replay.

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Sorry for my negativness, but...


I am going to be real and plainly state that your negativity is not needed for this discussion. Keep that to yourself.

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"due to the surviving skills that two of the players exemplified"
How to don't survive 1 hour with structures so strong biggrin.gif:D


Ya, I can see why you would laugh at this - I laughed when I wrote this sentence. To make my first point, I wrote this sentence to give people an incentive to watch the match. As the poster of this replay, I am SELLING it so that people can watch and enjoy some rotwk suga. Sure, it may not what you agree with, which is totally fine, but at least STATE if you agree or disagree. Truthfully, you and Shadow did your best to STAY IN THE GAME. Wait, that was a highlight of what I wrote in my first post about surviving ohmy.gif I can't believe I am explaining this, xD.

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Dwarf player (me) played useless all the game

According to you, Ecthelion, you did not play to your standards during this 2v2 battle last week. Why couldn't you just say this? You're purposely giving away information regarding a simple FFG game. That aint' cool man, the users(viewers) will decide if you played decently.


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yet mordor idk how he couldn't kill me.


ooook, I will try my best to take this comment with grain of salt(Andy and coco get it).

What are you trying to say here? Was this a Hitmonchan Jab at me? If am not mistaken, this was a two versus two match. The minimal requirement(I am joking) for a two versus two game is to utilize TEAMWORK! I played to the best of my ability to help Shadow in this game, hence TEAMWORK. I really do not want to say my next point, but since you have already stated the above statement - I completely annihilated your base at one point that lead the demise of your economy. When I realized this, you were not a threat and I decided to help Shadow by splitting up my priorities in order to win this game. I decided that he(Shadow) needed ~60% of my help to fight vs Farmer Lau who had an economy that was similar to Uncle Scrooge's money vault(hehe).

If you're going to at least state your partner's name, you can also state my name or Shadow's. Going back to what I said "due to the surviving skills that two of the players exemplified" I merely said this to not GIVE any information away and to NOT single out the users in this skirmish. I hope this makes sense.


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Then, Farmer lau, my mordor boy, played excelent but we had absolutely had no way to develop a single attack that implied the destroy of more than 2 farms and towers.


Yes, Farmer Lau played an excellent game with his Mordor spam/micro. I am understanding of what you are saying, but ok? This is not a clan war game. This was an ffg. Again, you're purposely giving away information regarding a simple FFG game.

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I was waiting you to upload this replay to ask here, was this a normal game?


First off, 1,000 resources at start and 1x command point(s).

Second, you tried to kill Shadow during the early stages of this game (doubling)!!! I said that you and Lau demonstrated TEAMWORK! What is not normal about that? I understand you are talking about the whole skirmish, but to reply to you: every game is a "normal" game unless you play a custom map or have a unique set of rules for a match ie .5x command points, so I do not see why you would ask this? Just my opinion man, that is all.

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i feel it was cancerously campy.

Use a different word other than "cancerously" when describing gameplay please. That word may offend people Ecthelion. People become sick and that is real.

If you believe the game was campy - that is your opinion. On behalf of Shadow, he did what he had to do to survive. IMO, if he camped, so what? It is part of the game. PART OF THE CREW, PART OF THE SHIP!!!


Look, I have nothing against you Ecthelion if this post looks as If I do. If you are going to challenge the uploading of this replay, I will defend it. I uploaded this replay for two reasons: one to give players a chance to view teamwork and two for them to observe that a game never ends until the last light goes out. With a flush of new players, this replay displays the idea that a game can continue on even when the odds are not in your favor. I hope this match TEACHES them this!! Jeeze, that is my overall main point and I wrote too much here, HAHA SORRY XD I hope there is an understanding there.

TL DR ^ IN THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH tongue.gif

I also hope you see that I stated your names instead of flaunting the idea that I had beaten an "Expert." There are players in your community and in the rotwk community that love to broadcast their W's verse players who own pixelated badges. Hell, there are some replays in the rotwk replay section right now that support my claim above. I am not not that type of person. I sent you a message VIA PM to ask if I could upload this. LASTLY, I praised you both for playing a game in which you do not even play. I respect that to the fullest degree. Honestly, if someone gives you praise, just take it and RUN with it. SUGGGA BABBBYY xd
This post has been edited by ^IceCold: Aug 7 2018, 05:50 AM
#4SeñorEcthelion  Aug 7 2018, 05:37 AM -

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Im not against the uploading, nor i consider necesary such weird reply which didn't even answer my curiosity pointing to the 2.02 gameplay and the differences with bfme2. You could have said siege is the way and that gimmli is useless, or just report my post for being counterproductive in the selling of this useful replay. Instead you are just naturalizing rotwk gameplay and acted from the common sense of your community which asumes my negativness is looking for a flamewar topic.

I keep asking anyways; what is this 1x and 1k thing? shouldn't CW use the "normal" 1k 1x? I had no cp to make my dwarf heroes, rotwk units are too heavy in CP that you need to break the standard rules?
#5djinges  Aug 7 2018, 06:06 AM -
Haha the normal BFME2 and ROTWK beef. Its always the same. Cause People from Bfme2 dont know how to play Rotwk and vice versa we always find tons of "mistakes" in the game instead of our gameplay. If i play BFME2 i cry about those silly weak structures and imbalance of factions and Ecthelion cries about strong structures and campiness. But in truth i think its not the games but just that beeing good in BFME2 doesnt make u good in ROtWK and vice versa.
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#6^IceCold  Aug 7 2018, 06:33 AM -
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Im not against the uploading, nor i consider necesary such weird reply which didn't even answer my curiosity pointing to the 2.02 gameplay and the differences with bfme2. You could have said siege is the way and that gimmli is useless, or just report my post for being counterproductive in the selling of this useful replay. Instead you are just naturalizing rotwk gameplay and acted from the common sense of your community which asumes my negativness is looking for a flamewar topic.

I keep asking anyways; what is this 1x and 1k thing? shouldn't CW use the "normal" 1k 1x? I had no cp to make my dwarf heroes, rotwk units are too heavy in CP that you need to break the standard rules?


To reply to your first sentence (and some of your second sentence), I hear you fully without question. I like to properly explain myself in general. From my perspective, it didn't seem you desired to hear strategies revolving around this match nor did you reply to me when I asked you if you had any questions regarding strategy (VIA PM). Overall, you had comments about how the game panned out. I took that to an extant because the point of posting replays is to entertain an audience. What is the point of posting a replay with side comments such as yours? If I am not mistaken, there is a spoiler reveal for posting? If it does not work in the replay section, I understand. Also, in the 12 years of owning this game, I have uploaded one 2.02b replay and one 2.02 v7 replay. You got to be kidding me right? I don't even post reps.

Why would I report you? This is a discussion. I was there during the dark days of GR when moderation was horrific(good times for the rotwk community). There is no need. We discuss, we the people.

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Instead you are just naturalizing rotwk gameplay and acted from the common sense of your community which asumes my negativness is looking for a flamewar topic.


The first attack. No need for this.

Naturalizing rotwk gameplay? I am confused. Please explain.

What is difficult in understanding this -->

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I uploaded this replay for two reasons:one to give players a chance to view teamwork and two for them to observe that a game never ends until the last light goes out. With a flush of new players, this replay displays the idea that a game can continue on even when the odds are not in your favor. I hope this match TEACHES them this!!




"And acted from the common sense of your community which assumes my negativeness is looking for a flamewar topic."

False

I pretty much opened this topic for a discussion. Why do I need to start a flame war topic? Do I know you? Do I not like you? Do I talk to you on a regular basis? Do I owe you anything?I created this topic for the purpose of teaching NEW players. I can tell you right now, it is hilarious that you compared with me with the rotwk community. I am pretty diplomatic if you knew me. Ask Excelsior, that dude is a machine at hard work(tongue.gif). Lastly, You are assuming to the highest degree. I did not assume you were being negative. This is how I discuss matters. If you cannot handle it - no need to worry, we can talk about something else such as Donald Trump declaring that California is at fault for the deadly fires because of their environmental laws, lol.

Or I can just talk about strategy. What do you want?

"I keep asking anyways; what is this 1x and 1k thing? shouldn't CW use the "normal" 1k 1x? I had no cp to make my dwarf heroes, rotwk units are too heavy in CP that you need to break the standard rules?"

I stated the standard money and cp start because you asked me if this was a normal game. That was one of my answers. You had no cp to make dwarf heroes? I thought you bought all of them? Yeah, the CP part is explained above in my second post. Thank god rotwk units are worth CP. I always thought they were worth additional CP. Dwarf's are getting tremendous buffs in v8. They are going to change, literally. They are equally good and equally weak in v7. Andy san is probably one of the best dwarf players in the rotwk community - he would have more of a say in this. Also, guardians are relatively weak in this patch so during the end game you have MoD, Pike, heroes, and siege which aint' much a mixture. It is challenging to play dwarf since they lack diversity especially vs mordor that has at least 13 units to choose from and a selection of heroes. It takes experience to play dwarf in rotwk. Steve, Fabi, Folcred, Juan, /rest played so many dwarf games, it aint even funny. If I had time I would love to search how many times these players played dwarf.

Djinges, what's up man? Thanks for a wub. I want to reply to your post, but I gotta head to bed. I was thinking of watching one your reps? I could give a wub as well since you showin' love and respect biggrin.gif
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#7DJ_Premier  Aug 7 2018, 11:03 AM -

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I was enjoying the start but after Shadow was crippled Lau had so many chances to deal critical dmg to him but couldn't mount a fruitful attack, so i ended up forwarding most of the game. Shadow went full camp and Lau didn't break it down properly, he also started to feed ridiculous PPs.
#8^IceCold  Aug 12 2018, 15:24 PM -
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QUOTE(DJ_Premier @ Aug 7 2018, 11:03 AM)
TL DR
I was enjoying the start but after Shadow was crippled Lau had so many chances to deal critical dmg to him but couldn't mount a fruitful attack, so i ended up forwarding most of the game. Shadow went full camp and Lau didn't break it down properly, he also started to feed ridiculous PPs.

Ya, the beginning of the match was organized to a certain degree before farms were completely lost and Shadow’s fate looked as if he was going to raise the white flag.

Aye, some of the reasons why Lau had a challenging time finishing Shadow off was due to the 15k I sent him and the multiple instances I aided him. I am not saying I was the sole reason.

Let’s not forget Lau used mordor’s barricade power to camp as well hehe.

Thanks for watching DJ, I hope you saw the gothmog instant level six attack at the ninth minute. I know I exaggerated the game a bit in my first post, but hey, when you need an attention getter- ya need it for watching a replay biggrin.gif thanks again for watching.
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