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Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance

Proof: Sera res field is OP

#1JabbaTheCluth  Feb 27 2008, 13:57 PM -
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Hi, this is a ranked 2v2 game in which I use the sera res. field I, clearly demonstrating its over-powerdness (it's too damn cheap!)...

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#2snafu  Feb 27 2008, 15:06 PM -
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its an contribution to the discussion, but not proof
in my oppinion 100 DPS + range > 60 heal/s

some equally good players, one going for res field, one for light gun would be interesting
#3Irakly  Feb 27 2008, 18:23 PM -
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Seraphim is certainly OP, but not for restoration field...But that it is cheap I agree.
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#4Gnats3  Feb 27 2008, 19:35 PM -
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Seraphim is certainly OP


How so?
#5Irakly  Feb 27 2008, 22:03 PM -
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Seraphim is certainly OP


How so?


good ACU upgrades, good SCUs, best t2 bot Ilshavoh, mass-effective siege tank Othuum, mass-effective Ex Ythotha, best submarine (though t3 level), best shields of all factions.... What else is needed?
#6Gnats3  Feb 27 2008, 22:59 PM -
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good ACU upgrades, good SCUs, best t2 bot Ilshavoh, mass-effective siege tank Othuum, mass-effective Ex Ythotha, best submarine (though t3 level), best shields of all factions.... What else is needed?


Great T1 and LABs.
#7JabbaTheCluth  Feb 27 2008, 23:22 PM -
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I would never ever consider sera as OP, but this particular one ACU upgrade. It is too damn cheap.


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its an contribution to the discussion, but not proof
in my oppinion 100 DPS + range > 60 heal/s

some equally good players, one going for res field, one for light gun would be interesting


I agree, it's rather a contribution. Hopefully an okay one biggrin.gif
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#8Irakly  Feb 28 2008, 13:06 PM -
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Great T1 and LABs.


In fact very few games end on t1 level. When t2 level comes into play Seraphim can regain what it might lose in t1 war and actually win the game. The only minus is lack of LABs and consequently Ghetto Gunships, but the latter isn't serious threat to any decent player.
#9Testingfreak  Feb 28 2008, 16:27 PM -
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Seraphim is certainly OP


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good ACU upgrades, good SCUs, best t2 bot Ilshavoh, mass-effective siege tank Othuum, mass-effective Ex Ythotha, best submarine (though t3 level), best shields of all factions.... What else is needed?

OMFG, ACU upgrades are nice, but not better then what other races got overall.
SCUs got bugged OC and HP, but no RAS while Aeon SCUs for example can be great for economy and also got teleport.
The T2 bot simply loses to a combined T2 armies of other races and sucks vs ACU OC.
Othuum loses vs Percivals, Bricks and experimentals cause of to low range and speed. It is able to beat Harbingers but is clearly inferior to there speed and efficiency vs T1/T2/other T3/T4.
The Othuum is weakest heavy T3 overall...
Ythoba is weakest T4 against T3 units, gets raped by GC and even the ML is able to defeat it.
T3 submarines are T3. They got no T2 SH and weakest T1 submarines.
T3 SHs are also not good vs the cybran stealth SH and lose also vs cybran HARMs. UEF beats them with a Atlantis/Cooper/shield boat combination and Aeon just rapes Seraphim at T2 or air.
Otherwise they need to combine Tempest/Exodus/SHs for a win.
The (static!) shields are truly the best, mobile shields are inferior compared to Aeon/UEF.
Seraphim got no T1 GG, no T1 LAB, a T2 bomber with crappy AA abilities which is unable to ever hit a dancing ACU > absolutely useless for a snipe. They also got no T3 gunship.
Seraphim also got no T2 mobile shields and no T2 long range bot, there amphibious tanks are weakest.
Seraphim T1 subs are weakest, the frigates too (except vs T1 spam)-
The T2 cruisers is a bit better vs gunships then other cruisers but unable to stop bombers/hit ASFs or any other fast moving units and it also got inferior TMLs compared to UEF, weakest HP and no direct fire weapon. The destroyer isn't a mass effective SH submerged and loses vs any other destroyer surfaced and becomes useless for bombardment if there hills on the map, still not that bad.
Seraphim T2 PD also isn't very good.
#10AncientSion  Feb 28 2008, 17:59 PM -
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Seraphim is certainly OP


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good ACU upgrades, good SCUs, best t2 bot Ilshavoh, mass-effective siege tank Othuum, mass-effective Ex Ythotha, best submarine (though t3 level), best shields of all factions.... What else is needed?


Wow. Your post is so fundamentally flawed.

SCUs are a bummer, how often do you get these in ranked ? In out of out 100 games ?
Best T2 Bot ? If you are playing a decent enemy, he will overcharge your 400-mass unit and be done with it.
T3 Siege-Tank is good (as in average) but how often do you get him ?
T3 Submarine....?
Mobile shields ? T2 is just average, T3 you wont usually get.

All in all i agree with testingfreak and want to expand his post saying you have no clue what you are talking about. If a bunch of newbies read your post they may even go as far as to BELIEVE that sera are OP.
You need to focus your view on important stuff. Thats T1 and T2 and not some random T3 unit.
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