Yeah, I guess UEF would be a lot worse. I can't imagine what you could try and do against ravagers.
Rage quit? Well, seriously go for Firebeetles and/or scouts! That's pretty much the best vs. Ravagers. Ravagers destroy whole bases (the UEF bases)if you place some scouts behind his structures. Now scouts would fail against T1 and T2 PD, but fire beetle easily dodge both...
About Aeon vs. Cybran: Aeon T3 artillery is made of fail against shields. Cybran T3 artillery is 3 times better vs. shields, especially against shields of light. Something Aeons can't really beat on this map is a Megalith, but it's hard to get one (ML just fails against Oblivions, sniper bots and Aeon ACU upgrades).
Edit: Watched the replay now and he definitely played better than you. He gpt the T3 artillery faster and he got more, he also got more shields. I can't understand why you ignored stealth. So he might scout spam, but scouts are not for free and they don't work perfectly while deceivers are indeed for free (80 mass, low energy drain). A T2 stealth generator could have been good, too.
This post has been edited by Testingfreak: Nov 5 2008, 11:11 AM
You guys ever tried Trebutchet against shields ? Its useless. Absolutly pointless. Nonsense. Trebutchet have splash, yes, but against shields they do nothing.
TestingFreak: Test again. Aeon T3 arty pwns shields, Cybran T3 is getting pwned by shields.
This post has been edited by AncientSion: Nov 5 2008, 19:22 PM
Nope, your wrong, I'm right What you say is only true in this situation (or situations close to this): There is one shield attacked by one artillery unit. Yeah in this case Aeon T3 artillery >>> Cybran T3 artillery. In a more common situation (4 T2 shields vs. 5 T3 artillery)the Aeon artillery sucks because they will massively overkill the smallest shields without hitting anything what is under the shield. The Cybran artillery rocks cause of the great splash and fire rate. If you don't believe it don't, but that's the way it is
punish him for a com upgrade, spam him and get your com out early to knock out his outer mexs (also drops or ghettos can take out his power) and get those rocks in the center. You can use that mass advantage to get your t2 pd up quick or a superquick tml to knock out any upgraded mexes (i know vipers can be negated by those aeon tmds, but if ur really fast...). Also spamming t1 arty woulda murdered that little firebase.
Just don't get into a situation where he has more mass and good defenses b/c air (except for scouting), spam, etc become pointless. I play uef mainly, and yes ravagers are incredible.
Each race has distinct advantages on that map. AEON have longer range (w/ splash) t2 pd, cheap com upgrades, guided missiles, nice tmds, etc. UEF have ravagers, great ghettos and lobos. CYBRAN have tmls, rapid fire t2 pd. Spy and I play this map alot (Cybran vs. UEF) and it becomes a rush for the center followed by a t2 rush for tmds/tmls. If you hold as UEF then you get ravagers and beastly t3 arty for win. But yes, facing off against aeon upgraded coms are a pain.
Basically, I think you got yourself into a very hard position early on.
Absolvers are the cost of about 1/2 of a Serenity, so for a given 20s you have either: 1,425 damage to anything at 90 range or 26,000 damage to shields at 60 range (less than a Ravager).
I think Absolvers are underused, personally, although I think they, annoyingly, go best with better artillery-style units like a Fatboy, Cybran artillery, or a Megalith. Aeon can't really DO much once you kill their shields except go in with Harbos or whatever.
Hmm, UEF are not worse, aeon are better then UEF with tech 3 ary, but UEF have Tech 3 PDs, but Aeon i think will stop it with sheilds and arty. well played Poita
