Pros: Good starting rush on mordor base, you crippled him completely. Very good harassment of enemy mills early-mid game. Good job from Rave spamming of towers and buildings to prevent his base from getting destroyed completely by FU uruks early game. Good job getting a fast naz to save isengard base from being destroyed After recovering, you guys immediatly went on the offensive, using the naz to take map control. Got the middle, and somehow managed to cling onto it altho you were about to lose it many times (KEY) Great unit mixing+Mass Leadership to move in for the kill (KEY) You won!
Cons: Not really many things you guys did wrong tbh, but here are some pointers:
Enasni´s nazgul micro was somewhat lacking, losing it unessearily at times I didnt see you using sarumans leveling power in the game, would have been a good boost. (my apologies if you did use it) I think you could have creeped a bit more effectively, especially the southern troll was there for a long time while naz was idle in middle
Team 2: A|: Strybie+PWNer (Mordor+Isengard)
Strat: Fast naz+Fast upgrades.
Pros: Good starting rush on Isengard base Kept up the pressure on the base, always retreating leveled units who were about to die You also did a good job taking out mills in early game Excellent nazgul use by Strybie Good unit mixing by PWNer I really like how you always did a wonderful counterattack after they had attacked on of your bases. You guys were SO close to taking the middle from them, but you came just short every time
Cons: I felt that the FU uruks could have been managed a little bit better in the isengard base early game. You need to be a bit more cynical in your attack. Your uruks were to often running around killing half of furnaces while towers were damaging you badly. Attack Pit-Citadel-Armory-Towers and THEN furnaces. Because of mordor being crippled early game, you werent getting any real harassment of their mills in mid-late game, which led to them having superior economy for the most of the game. Mordor making Orc Fire Archers was a complete waste of money. I think you were just making them to spend money, next time make a siegeworks in base instead.
and then a gameturner, im not sure if it was a con or not: Pawner was first to Rain, and he used it immediatly. This was a Great help as mordor vs about to get killed, but this eventually led to them countering after a little while, so they had alot more leadership than you guys. However, if they had been a little slower to rain, the game would have turned in your favor, so it was a risk, which ultimately failed (KEY)
Summary: A truly amazing game, wonderful battles all over the map, and constant action i didnt feel the need to fast forward ONCE in the game
Ratings:
Team 1:
Strat: 9.5/10 - Excellent strat, getting the fast naz, then getting middle - Catas-Uruks-Xbows-Heroes Micro: 8.5/10 - Very good micro, just the naz micro pulling you down a little. Overall: 9/10 - PRO!
Team 2:
Strat: 8.5/10 - You tried to take out isengard fast, it failed, but was yet succesful cause it crippled him Micro: 9/10 - Excellent micro, nuff said Overall: 8.5/10 - also PRO!
Game Entertainment: 9/10 - Wonderful battles, and there were loads of them (i didnt fast forward even once )
Overall: 9/10!
GOLD-Replay
This post has been edited by |elder|Kiltec: Sep 19 2005, 08:47 AM
wow! awesome! i think this is the first GOLD 2v2! wowee (me gets to watching) EDIT: nice game that! however i really think that the side with the green player should have won....getting rain first was their salvation...and their destruction!
This post has been edited by min3mat: Sep 19 2005, 20:52 PM
sure it was a good game. But it was bad micro from all teams... for example when right isen attacked left isen, that really hurt my heart to see such bad use of uruks- he didnt even use formation... i dunno what the demands r for gold, but i think this is a silver coz it was so skill less, but good BO's expept the fire archer thing...
The Ragnarokfo Reivew :Cons: I felt that the FU uruks could have been managed a little bit better in the isengard base early game. You need to be a bit more cynical in your attack. Your uruks were to often running around killing half of furnaces while towers were damaging you badly. Attack Pit-Citadel-Armory-Towers and THEN furnaces..
This was the key to the game IMHO. I think PWNer would have had a good shot at taking down the entire base before Enasni´s Nazgul arrived to save the day for Rave if he would have gone more for the towers instead of the furnaces - especially with arrival of the second FU uraks. Much easier to say than do though with so much happening at the same time.
I don't watch a lot of 2x2 replays, but this one was certainly worth watching. I enjoyed it very much. Thanks for posting it.
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The Power of leadership
Team 1: [A4l]: Rave+Enasni (Isengard+Mordor)
Strat: Fast upgrades+Fast naz.
Pros:
Good starting rush on mordor base, you crippled him completely.
Very good harassment of enemy mills early-mid game.
Good job from Rave spamming of towers and buildings to prevent his base from getting destroyed completely by FU uruks early game.
Good job getting a fast naz to save isengard base from being destroyed
After recovering, you guys immediatly went on the offensive, using the naz to take map control.
Got the middle, and somehow managed to cling onto it altho you were about to lose it many times (KEY)
Great unit mixing+Mass Leadership to move in for the kill (KEY)
You won!
Cons:
Not really many things you guys did wrong tbh, but here are some pointers:
Enasni´s nazgul micro was somewhat lacking, losing it unessearily at times
I didnt see you using sarumans leveling power in the game, would have been a good boost. (my apologies if you did use it)
I think you could have creeped a bit more effectively, especially the southern troll was there for a long time while naz was idle in middle
Team 2: A|: Strybie+PWNer (Mordor+Isengard)
Strat: Fast naz+Fast upgrades.
Pros:
Good starting rush on Isengard base
Kept up the pressure on the base, always retreating leveled units who were about to die
You also did a good job taking out mills in early game
Excellent nazgul use by Strybie
Good unit mixing by PWNer
I really like how you always did a wonderful counterattack after they had attacked on of your bases. You guys were SO close to taking the middle from them, but you came just short every time
Cons:
I felt that the FU uruks could have been managed a little bit better in the isengard base early game. You need to be a bit more cynical in your attack. Your uruks were to often running around killing half of furnaces while towers were damaging you badly. Attack Pit-Citadel-Armory-Towers and THEN furnaces.
Because of mordor being crippled early game, you werent getting any real harassment of their mills in mid-late game, which led to them having superior economy for the most of the game.
Mordor making Orc Fire Archers was a complete waste of money. I think you were just making them to spend money, next time make a siegeworks in base instead.
and then a gameturner, im not sure if it was a con or not: Pawner was first to Rain, and he used it immediatly. This was a Great help as mordor vs about to get killed, but this eventually led to them countering after a little while, so they had alot more leadership than you guys. However, if they had been a little slower to rain, the game would have turned in your favor, so it was a risk, which ultimately failed (KEY)
Summary: A truly amazing game, wonderful battles all over the map, and constant action i didnt feel the need to fast forward ONCE in the game
Ratings:
Team 1:
Strat: 9.5/10 - Excellent strat, getting the fast naz, then getting middle - Catas-Uruks-Xbows-Heroes
Micro: 8.5/10 - Very good micro, just the naz micro pulling you down a little.
Overall: 9/10 - PRO!
Team 2:
Strat: 8.5/10 - You tried to take out isengard fast, it failed, but was yet succesful cause it crippled him
Micro: 9/10 - Excellent micro, nuff said
Overall: 8.5/10 - also PRO!
Game Entertainment: 9/10 - Wonderful battles, and there were loads of them (i didnt fast forward even once )
Overall: 9/10!
GOLD-Replay